Want the Best Camera for Color - and Reproduction in Magazines and/or Books? (Page 3): I also noticed that although the Fuji XT-3 is at the top the Fuji XT-2 is not on the list. Wow...

BebuLamar

Chris T wrote:

No, you're quite right, Bebu ... the Nikon Df is n... (show quote)

I also noticed that although the Fuji XT-3 is at the top the Fuji XT-2 is not on the list. Wow them Chinese did a much better job than those Japanese.

Chris T Loc: from England across the pond to New England

BebuLamar wrote:

I also noticed that although the Fuji XT-3 is at the top the Fuji XT-2 is not on the list. Wow them Chinese did a much better job than those Japanese.

Is this a reference to the XT-3 being manufactured in China, whilst the XT-2 was made in Japan?

I have four Fuji bridges, Bebu ... and each one of them was made in a different place - Malaysia, Philippines, China, Taiwan ... does it matter?

There are no less than FOUR Fuji models on the list - a) the XT-3 b) the XE-3 c) the X-H1 4) the XT-100 ... whilst Nikon and Canon are each only represented by THREE models (D850, Z6 and Z7 ... EOS 6D Mk. II, M50, EOS R respectively.) ... Not sure whether that bespeaks neglect - or the more efficient method Fuji employs for rendering accurate color ... what do you think?

craggycrossers Loc: Robin Hood Country, UK

jerryc41 wrote:

That's an interesting rating/ranking. Post processing can do so much. I can't imagine anyone buying a certain camera on the basis of this listing alone. I guess it's just one more piece of information to help make a decision.

If I was going to buy a mirrorless, I would get the Fuji XT-3, so I'm glad to see it at the top of the list.

Nice to hear, Jerry, from "long-term" Nikon man ..... as was I....... and weekend greetings from UK !

Is it possible we'll see you joining the "Fuji club" before too long / when your timing's right? We're a growing band !

Chris T Loc: from England across the pond to New England

craggycrossers wrote:

Nice to hear, Jerry, from "long-term" Nikon man ..... as was I....... and weekend greetings from UK !

Is it possible we'll see you joining the "Fuji club" before too long / when your timing's right? We're a growing band !

Which Fuji do you use, Craggy?

My favorite is the Finepix HS-50 EXR (1/2" Bridge) ... love that camera!!!!

Also have the first in that series - the HS-10, plus its predecessor (kinda) - the S200EXR, and the later SL-300 ...

All very competent cameras ... but, it's only the HS-50 to which I return, with any kind of regularity ....

Chris T Loc: from England across the pond to New England

BebuLamar wrote:

I also noticed that although the Fuji XT-3 is at the top the Fuji XT-2 is not on the list. Wow them Chinese did a much better job than those Japanese.

Hey, Bebu ... I just noticed I only have TWO cameras made in Japan - both Canon Powershots ....

Most of my other cameras - including SEVEN Nikons (2 bridges, 5 DSLRs) all seem to be made in Thailand - isn't that also where the Df is made?

BebuLamar

Chris T wrote:

Hey, Bebu ... I just noticed I only have TWO cameras made in Japan - both Canon Powershots ....

Most of my other cameras - including SEVEN Nikons (2 bridges, 5 DSLRs) all seem to be made in Thailand - isn't that also where the Df is made?

The Df is made in Japan and may be why it's not in the list. Nikon put the "Made in Japan" on top of the Df so that you can tell where it's made just by reading the dpreview. With other cameras you can't find out where it's made by reading dpreview.
Link: https://www.dpreview.com/reviews/nikon-df/3
The Panasonic LX100 is made in China is in the list but the Leica typ 109 which is the same but made in Japan is not in the list. Like I said I just take notes.

CamB Loc: Juneau, Alaska

With this study in mind I looked through the top 341 pictures in my files. (Red with 5 stars in LR) There is not one picture in there that hasn't been adjusted in some program, some just a little and some a lot. I wouldn't print a file or put one in a slide show or share it in any form without working on it some. Most are digital, from six to 24 mega pixels, some are jpeg, most are raw. Some are scans from slides and negs, both color and BW. The fact that everything worthwhile gets worked on in some way makes a study like this one pointless. Nothing stays as it looks coming out of the camera. I think the person who did all the work on this (not the OP) had way too much time on their hands. In the end it doesn't really tell you anything about anything. I imagine though, that the person who did all this likes to do obscure studies as opposed to most of us who would rather be taking and working on photographs. To each his own. It did get me thinking about new things for awhile and that's always good.
...Cam

Chris T wrote:

Stumbled across this report in my travels, so, tho... (show quote)

Gene51 Loc: Yonkers, NY, now in LSD (LowerSlowerDelaware)

Chris T wrote:

Stumbled across this report in my travels, so, tho... (show quote)

I don't think any pro would use any of these - they usually use Hasselblad, Mamiya Leaf, and other medium format cameras for critical work - and the Mamiya has a full 16 bit raw file format - which, when coupled with a fully color managed workflow - from shooting to final print - will produce flawless and accurate color.

Chris T Loc: from England across the pond to New England

BebuLamar wrote:

The Df is made in Japan and may be why it's not in the list. Nikon put the "Made in Japan" on top of the Df so that you can tell where it's made just by reading the dpreview. With other cameras you can't find out where it's made by reading dpreview.
Link: https://www.dpreview.com/reviews/nikon-df/3
The Panasonic LX100 is made in China is in the list but the Leica typ 109 which is the same but made in Japan is not in the list. Like I said I just take notes.

Bebu ... don't think Image Engineering chose the cameras they used for this test, based on where they were made. And, although they chose a couple of Leicas - the M10-P Digital Rangefinder, and the CL Compact MILC ... they probably didn't give much thought to where they were made.

Leica began in Germany, of course, and now, I think - most of their cameras are made in Southeast Asia (as are most miniature format dig cams.)
Although many Brands design cameras in Japan, manufacturing is farmed out to the various plants in adjoining lands, where they can get them built at the cheapest cost. As the money flows, and workers reap the benefits, there are increasing demands for more money, so, again - manufacturing plants are moved, or are built - in places, where they can get the work done, the cheapest. Hence, Singapore is now out, and Viet-Nam is now in. Philippines plants are still going strong, whilst Taiwanese plants are on the way out, and Chinese plants proliferate. Even though some of the countries in that part of the world preach Socialism/Communism, they are - in practice - becoming Capitalistic - it's the way of the World, you see ...

If Fuji found it's more to their advantage to make the XT-3 in China, rather than in Japan - where the XT-2 was made - all power to them! ... The design of the XT-3 isn't any less sophisticated, due to that decision / action - on the part of Fuji ... anymore than it was in Nikon's decision to make the Df in Japan, rather than in Thailand - where most of their other models are built. It was a sound economical decision in both cases!!!

patman1 Loc: Pataskala, Ohio

Chris T wrote:

Pat ... I still DO own my own Lab ... ran it for many years ... but, when Digital took over, there no longer seemed much need ...

Still - I do - occasionally - still, roll up my sleeves, and go in there, every once in a while ...

I used to get lost - both in space, and time ... now, I've left it, for the most part ... Photoshop isn't quite the same thing, though ...

We had a 30 x 40 Brown horizontal camera and we were able to do work most people couldnt. We did a series of transparencies and separations for one of the worlds most famous wildlife artistsm Guy Cohleach. Most of his paintings were enormous, we were able to mount them on our copy board and photograph them. I have a set i saved for myself, most of which were done on consignment for magazine covers or stories. The one of the American Eagle was for Vice President Agnew and still hangs in the State Dept.

Chris T Loc: from England across the pond to New England

patman1 wrote:

We had a 30 x 40 Brown horizontal camera and we we... (show quote)

Just as well Agnew didn't take it with him to his cell in the Penitentiary, huh, Pat?

So what did you do with your set? ... Paper your house?

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Chris T wrote:

Since I had absolutely nothing to do with the
testing, whatsoever, I fail to see why you're
insisting I should know the answer to your
question. ..............

I'm sorry to see you become irritated at my
repeated queries. I just thought or hoped
that you might have some understanding of
the document that I had missed ... after all,
it IS rather tedious reading.

Also, I tend to very often doubt that I have
been clear in formulating the my questions,
so then I'll kinda "re-fashion" them and try
again.

That's all there is to it. Please don't take
offence, none is intended.

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camerapapi Loc: Miami, Fl.

I use Olympus mirrorless cameras. I am very satisfied with the colors I get.
I seldom saturate colors to make them super vivid.

patman1 Loc: Pataskala, Ohio

Chris T wrote:

Just as well Agnew didn't take it with him to his cell in the Penitentiary, huh, Pat?

So what did you do with your set? ... Paper your house?

I still have it, been tempted to sell it a few times, have gotten some interesting offers. Guys attorney tgreatened to sue me if i post them for sale. His set and mine only ones in exisrance.

patman1 Loc: Pataskala, Ohio

The best camera i ever owned for great color presentation was the Kodak DCS Pro14n with Nikon glass. Color rendition extremely natural , typical Kodak Kodacolor quality. It was very rare i had to alter color rendition.