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Nov 28, 2018 17:27:47   #
mjmoore17 Loc: Philadelphia, PA area
 
yhtomit wrote:
Your post made reference to the people in a grand light.
I pointed out the shortcomings of the list cited.
Trump is more good for America than bad.
Your author is write, no person is perfect.
He is more constitutional than a lot on that list.


Please have your BOT master reprogram your output. The word is “right” not “write”, I understand that the translation from Russian is hard for you.

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Nov 28, 2018 17:28:05   #
yhtomit Loc: Port Land. Oregon
 
Texcaster wrote:
That's what everyone wants to know ... "What standards? Where?"


By the constitution of course.

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Nov 28, 2018 17:29:48   #
Texcaster Loc: Queensland
 
Bazbo wrote:
That Trump has shocked the sensibilities of the body politic, there is no doubt. But shock, per se, is not necessarily a good thing. In broad strikes, here is my list of particulars regarding the Current Occupant:

1. Incessant lying over matters both important and trivial.
2. Assault on the independence of the Judiciary.
3. Assault on our free press.
4. Filling the swamp instead of draining it.
5. Childish name calling and insults not becoming of the Office.
6. Apparent ambivalence toward hate groups that happen to support him.
7. Cynical Republican tax bill which is exploding our national deficit.
8. Constant self-aggrandizement even in the most inappropriate circumstances (thankful for himself, speech at CIA wall of Honor, speech before the Boy Scouts, etc., etc, ad infinitum).
9. Mysterious relationship with Russia and its connection to his personal wealth.
10. The great Wall Con when he promised that Mexico would pay for it and is now threatening a government shut down if we don't pay for it.

And none of this even considers the possible results of the Mueller investigation. Although I will wait for the results of the investigation before forming an opinion about it, this much is clear: He does not conduct himself as a man with nothing to hide.
That Trump has shocked the sensibilities of the bo... (show quote)


Ten reasonable particulars presented in non-provocative language and they're off to the races.

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Nov 28, 2018 17:31:50   #
Texcaster Loc: Queensland
 
yhtomit wrote:
By the constitution of course.


He's going to start paying attention to that PC document now?

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Nov 28, 2018 18:00:37   #
wooden_ships
 
EyeSawYou wrote:
President Trump is ruining this Country? lol by what standards? lol


You have proven that you believe the stable genius is MAGA. His approach is like “throwing the baby out with the bath water”.... you know, like draining the swamp. The trouble is the baby really gets hurt when the stupid parent throws out both.

but never mind, you’ll just sit back, offer nothing and enjoy the s**tstorm the country is going through... yeah, make those democrats eat crap.

Hillary is despicable but she was correct about one thing, trump supporters ARE “the deplorables”

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Nov 28, 2018 18:39:05   #
yhtomit Loc: Port Land. Oregon
 
mjmoore17 wrote:
Please have your BOT master reprogram your output. The word is “right” not “write”, I understand that the translation from Russian is hard for you.


Thank you. Я рад, что Вы соглашаетесь с остальной частью моего поста.

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Nov 28, 2018 18:43:10   #
yhtomit Loc: Port Land. Oregon
 
Texcaster wrote:
He's going to start paying attention to that PC document now?


He's spot on! Can you say Kavanaugh...
As you are a democrat, I know you are not capable of interpreting our constitution for it's original meaning.

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Nov 29, 2018 07:12:32   #
Elaine2025 Loc: Seattle, Wa
 
Bazbo wrote:
None of his has anything to do with my list of particulars. If you are trying to equate my my views on Trump with support of the sins of past Presidents, you are committing a classic logical fallacy. And you could not be more wrong. if you really want to know my views of the sins of Presidents past, then just ask me directly instead of falsely implying that I supported them.

And if the media has not reported this, then they must not be lying.


I gave no indication YOU supported them, but DEMS did. Fair enough?

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Nov 29, 2018 07:26:03   #
Elaine2025 Loc: Seattle, Wa
 
Bazbo wrote:
That Trump has shocked the sensibilities of the body politic, there is no doubt. But shock, per se, is not necessarily a good thing. In broad strikes, here is my list of particulars regarding the Current Occupant:

1. Incessant lying over matters both important and trivial.
2. Assault on the independence of the Judiciary.
3. Assault on our free press.
4. Filling the swamp instead of draining it.
5. Childish name calling and insults not becoming of the Office.
6. Apparent ambivalence toward hate groups that happen to support him.
7. Cynical Republican tax bill which is exploding our national deficit.
8. Constant self-aggrandizement even in the most inappropriate circumstances (thankful for himself, speech at CIA wall of Honor, speech before the Boy Scouts, etc., etc, ad infinitum).
9. Mysterious relationship with Russia and its connection to his personal wealth.
10. The great Wall Con when he promised that Mexico would pay for it and is now threatening a government shut down if we don't pay for it.

And none of this even considers the possible results of the Mueller investigation. Although I will wait for the results of the investigation before forming an opinion about it, this much is clear: He does not conduct himself as a man with nothing to hide.
That Trump has shocked the sensibilities of the bo... (show quote)




Baz, let me take these one at a time. So, what do you think?

1. We would all agree that some statements could be more accurate but many are guilty of this.
2. Where is the assault on the judiciary. When obummer replaced 600 or more judges, did you call that an assault? Presidents appoint judges. Period.
3. Give an example of Trump's assault on the free press. Pointing out that the press is fake news is not an assault, it is the truth. Removing Acosta was warranted.
4. Filling the swamp instead of draining it? Give examples. Sounds to me like any republican he appointed would be considered part of the swam to you?
5. I have to give you this one.
6. This one really makes no sense and is strictly what you think.
7. Again your opinion, but It was APPROVED legally.
8. Touting his accomplishments. That is not a bad thing, the media sure won't report it.
9. There is no mysterious relationship with russia. Trump has tougher sanctions on Russia than ANY previous President.
10. The great wall con? Wait and see what happens is my opinion. Maybe they will start charging a fee on all money sent back to Mexico? Who knows, but it isn't over.

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Nov 29, 2018 11:05:06   #
Bazbo Loc: Lisboa, Portugal
 
Elaine2025 wrote:
I gave no indication YOU supported them, but DEMS did. Fair enough?


Fair enough. Thanks for he clarification.

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Nov 29, 2018 11:07:09   #
Bazbo Loc: Lisboa, Portugal
 
Elaine2025 wrote:
Baz, let me take these one at a time. So, what do you think?

1. We would all agree that some statements could be more accurate but many are guilty of this.
2. Where is the assault on the judiciary. When obummer replaced 600 or more judges, did you call that an assault? Presidents appoint judges. Period.
3. Give an example of Trump's assault on the free press. Pointing out that the press is fake news is not an assault, it is the truth. Removing Acosta was warranted.
4. Filling the swamp instead of draining it? Give examples. Sounds to me like any republican he appointed would be considered part of the swam to you?
5. I have to give you this one.
6. This one really makes no sense and is strictly what you think.
7. Again your opinion, but It was APPROVED legally.
8. Touting his accomplishments. That is not a bad thing, the media sure won't report it.
9. There is no mysterious relationship with russia. Trump has tougher sanctions on Russia than ANY previous President.
10. The great wall con? Wait and see what happens is my opinion. Maybe they will start charging a fee on all money sent back to Mexico? Who knows, but it isn't over.
Baz, let me take these one at a time. So, what do ... (show quote)


Thanks for the civil reply. I will respond later when I have mre time to thoughtfully consider your response.

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Nov 29, 2018 11:10:14   #
Elaine2025 Loc: Seattle, Wa
 
Bazbo wrote:
Thanks for the civil reply. I will respond later when I have mre time to thoughtfully consider your response.


Thanks Baz.

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Nov 29, 2018 22:58:08   #
Bazbo Loc: Lisboa, Portugal
 
Elaine2025 wrote:
Baz, let me take these one at a time. So, what do you think?

1. We would all agree that some statements could be more accurate but many are guilty of this.
2. Where is the assault on the judiciary. When obummer replaced 600 or more judges, did you call that an assault? Presidents appoint judges. Period.
3. Give an example of Trump's assault on the free press. Pointing out that the press is fake news is not an assault, it is the truth. Removing Acosta was warranted.
4. Filling the swamp instead of draining it? Give examples. Sounds to me like any republican he appointed would be considered part of the swam to you?
5. I have to give you this one.
6. This one really makes no sense and is strictly what you think.

7. Again your opinion, but It was APPROVED legally.
8. Touting his accomplishments. That is not a bad thing, the media sure won't report it.
9. There is no mysterious relationship with russia. Trump has tougher sanctions on Russia than ANY previous President.
10. The great wall con? Wait and see what happens is my opinion. Maybe they will start charging a fee on all money sent back to Mexico? Who knows, but it isn't over.
Baz, let me take these one at a time. So, what do ... (show quote)


1. Other presidents behaviors do not justify Trump's behaviors. Trump is President now. Also, no President has lied so prodigiously as Trump (and this includes Nixon).
2. When Trump was being sued over his Trump U scam, he attacked he presiding judge for being a Mexican (fun fact: the judge was born in Indiana). When a ruling does not go his way he attacks the judge, as recently as this week when the Chief Justice had to admonish him for this behavior.
3. Trump has called the press the enemy of the people. He has called them out by name at his rallies and incited his followers to behavior that has made them fearful for their safety. This is what latin American tin horn dictators do. He only does this to the press that does not fawn over him, Hannity style.
4. Tom Price, Scott Pruitt, to name just two. There are many more examples. His cabinet could pass for a Goldman Sachs alumni picnic.
5. N/A
6. of course its what I think, I wrote it. David Duke has explicitly endorsed Trump and and the ambivalence is obvious: It should not be that hard to denounce explicitly Nazis and the Klan.
7. I am not questioning the legality of the tax bill. But it is cynical: The middle class benefits are temporary but the upper class benefits are permanent. It does not pay for itself (these Republican schemes never do), as promised and is exploding our deficits. The deficits leave the government no fiscal tools to combat the next downturn in the business cycle, And that downturn will come.
8. I have already offered examples. Being thankful for himself or bragging about his election victory in front of the CIA Wall of Honor or the Boy Scout Jamboree is hardly a personal accomplishment.
9. The sanctions imposed on Russia was the work of Congress, over Trump's objections. The sanctions were passed by a veto-proof majority. And just today, according to Cohen's testimony in open court, Trump was actively pursuing a real estate project in Moscow while he was claiming he had nothing to do with Russia during the campaign. It looks like Trump himself signed the letter of intent the very day of one of the Republican debates. I imagine the House intelligence committee is going to have a field day with this next year.
10. Trump promised over and over again that Mexico was going to pay for the wall. In fact, it was one of his favorite campaign chants. The idea that Mexico would pay for the wall with fees or what not is just spin to cover the fact that Mexico was never going to pay for the wall. In fact, if these alternate-reality funding schemes had any merit, why have they not been implemented?

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Nov 30, 2018 02:11:19   #
thom w Loc: San Jose, CA
 
Hal81 wrote:
The dumb libs are still in limbo after their queen lost. The bag lady wants to run again. Hope she dose. But they cant be that dumb. Or can they?


When Hillary has been dead 10 years, if you are still around, you will be saying "anyone but Hillary". How bright is that?

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Nov 30, 2018 02:13:16   #
thom w Loc: San Jose, CA
 
EyeSawYou wrote:
The American traitor is the one with the inverted avatar of the American flag.....YOU.


He's signaling that the country is in severe distress. Kind of hard to argue with.

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