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Aug 17, 2012 16:25:06   #
LARRYR. Loc: Saint Martinville, La.
 
ntonkin wrote:
How much did the NRA pay you for this?


To much if any thing, I'm sure it was done for nothing.

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Aug 17, 2012 16:59:17   #
derekmadge Loc: Waterloo, Ontario,Canada
 
dtcracer wrote:
rocar7 wrote:
Bunko.T wrote:
Well I put it to y'all. Let's get back to the Cinemas Schools & Temples massacres. What's the answer to that problem. It happens with monotonous regularity.


Since Hungerford, after which rifles were banned, and Dunblane, after which handguns were banned, we haven't had anything like that. It only happens in America, where guns are legal. Draw your own conclusions.


What about Norway last year? A gunman killed almost 100 people, considered the worse mass killing in modern history, and far worse than anything here in the US. And they have gun laws very similar to the UK. He was able to kill so many because no one was able to defend themselves.
quote=rocar7 quote=Bunko.T Well I put it to y'al... (show quote)


It was 77 people, only 8 of them in the bombing. Still horrible yes- and that's one point. In Norway is stunned the entire world. If it had happened in the US, people would have shrugged and said- "Oh. Another one. It was really bad this time."

Another point about that- would you really have expected teenagers at a camp- or their counsellors - to be carrying guns?

Incidentally, you may be interested in the report that just came out about the police response- and the bumbling in it, which could bolster your argument- assuming the kids had guns. Long guns. With scopes. And were not panicking under fire. And were good marksmen like Breivik was.

But these dramatic mass killing are usually perpetrated by super ideologues (World Trade Centre) or madmen (Norway). And such people will always find a weapon. It becomes their raison d'etre. What about the (stated) 30,000 people killed by guns in the US, that his link claims? http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_many_people_get_shot_by_guns_each_day_in_the_US

Unfortunately I don't have time to research the veracity and I swore I wasn't going to hurl URLs around so, having broken my worrd, I'll bow out.

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Aug 17, 2012 17:27:41   #
photosbysexton Loc: Knoxville, TN
 
Gnslngr wrote:
Second Amendment Scoreboard so far:

Tyrants overthrown: 0
Citizens killed: 1,149,236

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Aug 17, 2012 17:33:11   #
photosbysexton Loc: Knoxville, TN
 
consider this; would you rather have your wife, daughter, sister or mother defending herself in court for shooting a rapist or her having to suffer through the rape then found bound, gagged and dead in an alley three days after?

I vote for the handgun in her purse and her trained to use this equalizer.

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Aug 17, 2012 17:48:51   #
LARRYR. Loc: Saint Martinville, La.
 
HEART wrote:
During Katrina, weapons were forcibly removed from citizens. When all guns are removed from citizens, we will have Syria (or pick a country). Over 21,000 killed so far...and growing; and nothing to stop it. Be thankful there is a 2nd Amendment (although Hillary and the UN are aiming to fix that, too).


Only gun owners are aware of this, and I'm glad I'm
one of them. Get her out also.

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Aug 17, 2012 17:57:30   #
pigpen
 
RixPix wrote:
sarge69 wrote:
I have concealed weapon permits for Maine, New Hampshire.

Gun is beside bed in drawer. Told wife if someone comes in and she needs to shoot

"Fire 7 times - If it still moves, there's one more in the chamber "

Sarge


My feelings on a concealed weapons permit is very simple I have one because I deal in expensive portable merchandise and as such I am a target for criminal activity. I cannot understand why anyone who is not in a similar profession would need to carry a gun. I also believe that annual qualification tests including vision should be required for ALL individuals over the age of 55 who wish to carry a concealed weapon.
quote=sarge69 I have concealed weapon permits for... (show quote)




Imagine that! HYPOCRISY!!

My merchandise is worth a lot more than yours!! MY LIFE!!!

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Aug 17, 2012 18:09:47   #
photosbysexton Loc: Knoxville, TN
 
AMEN!


pigpen wrote:
RixPix wrote:
sarge69 wrote:
I have concealed weapon permits for Maine, New Hampshire.

Gun is beside bed in drawer. Told wife if someone comes in and she needs to shoot

"Fire 7 times - If it still moves, there's one more in the chamber "

Sarge


My feelings on a concealed weapons permit is very simple I have one because I deal in expensive portable merchandise and as such I am a target for criminal activity. I cannot understand why anyone who is not in a similar profession would need to carry a gun. I also believe that annual qualification tests including vision should be required for ALL individuals over the age of 55 who wish to carry a concealed weapon.
quote=sarge69 I have concealed weapon permits for... (show quote)




Imagine that! HYPOCRISY!!

My merchandise is worth a lot more than yours!! MY LIFE!!!
quote=RixPix quote=sarge69 I have concealed weap... (show quote)

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Aug 17, 2012 18:10:16   #
Robert Graybeal Loc: Myrtle Beach
 
derekmadge wrote:
But these dramatic mass killing are usually perpetrated by super ideologues (World Trade Centre) or madmen (Norway). And such people will always find a weapon. It becomes their raison d'etre. What about the (stated) 30,000 people killed by guns in the US, that his link claims? http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_many_people_get_shot_by_guns_each_day_in_the_US


How do you compare 30,000 to 56,000,000 inocent citizens murdered in the 20th century due to government gun control???

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Aug 17, 2012 18:20:25   #
dtcracer
 
derekmadge wrote:
dtcracer wrote:
rocar7 wrote:
Bunko.T wrote:
Well I put it to y'all. Let's get back to the Cinemas Schools & Temples massacres. What's the answer to that problem. It happens with monotonous regularity.


Since Hungerford, after which rifles were banned, and Dunblane, after which handguns were banned, we haven't had anything like that. It only happens in America, where guns are legal. Draw your own conclusions.


What about Norway last year? A gunman killed almost 100 people, considered the worse mass killing in modern history, and far worse than anything here in the US. And they have gun laws very similar to the UK. He was able to kill so many because no one was able to defend themselves.
quote=rocar7 quote=Bunko.T Well I put it to y'al... (show quote)


It was 77 people, only 8 of them in the bombing. Still horrible yes- and that's one point. In Norway is stunned the entire world. If it had happened in the US, people would have shrugged and said- "Oh. Another one. It was really bad this time."

Another point about that- would you really have expected teenagers at a camp- or their counsellors - to be carrying guns?

Incidentally, you may be interested in the report that just came out about the police response- and the bumbling in it, which could bolster your argument- assuming the kids had guns. Long guns. With scopes. And were not panicking under fire. And were good marksmen like Breivik was.

But these dramatic mass killing are usually perpetrated by super ideologues (World Trade Centre) or madmen (Norway). And such people will always find a weapon. It becomes their raison d'etre. What about the (stated) 30,000 people killed by guns in the US, that his link claims? http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_many_people_get_shot_by_guns_each_day_in_the_US

Unfortunately I don't have time to research the veracity and I swore I wasn't going to hurl URLs around so, having broken my worrd, I'll bow out.
quote=dtcracer quote=rocar7 quote=Bunko.T Well ... (show quote)


The only thing in your statement I can really disagree with is that in the US we would have just shrugged, and said "Oh. Another one. It was really bad this time."
Every time one of these incidents happen it is appalling, even to US citizens. It is not something we get numb to, or used to.

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Aug 17, 2012 18:24:39   #
ole sarg Loc: south florida
 
56,000,000 people were not murdered because of gun control. That is just an outright fabrication!

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Aug 17, 2012 18:31:43   #
ntonkin Loc: western Upper Peninusla of Michigan
 
Anyone that seriously thinks the government is going to come and take away our guns is either a conspiracy theorist or works for the NRA. That will never happen in this country no matter how many people are killed by the kooks and weirdos.

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Aug 17, 2012 18:44:34   #
RixPix Loc: Miami, Florida
 
Phreedom wrote:
RixPix wrote:
sarge69 wrote:
I have concealed weapon permits for Maine, New Hampshire.

Gun is beside bed in drawer. Told wife if someone comes in and she needs to shoot

"Fire 7 times - If it still moves, there's one more in the chamber "

Sarge


My feelings on a concealed weapons permit is very simple I have one because I deal in expensive portable merchandise and as such I am a target for criminal activity. I cannot understand why anyone who is not in a similar profession would need to carry a gun. I also believe that annual qualification tests including vision should be required for ALL individuals over the age of 55 who wish to carry a concealed weapon.
quote=sarge69 I have concealed weapon permits for... (show quote)


I'm not trying to start an argument here but why would your dealing in "expensive portable merchandise" mark you as a target and thus qualify your personal need to carry? What are the outstanding circumstances? Do you carry when not engaged in your dealings?

Might not John or Joan Q public consider their jewelry and wallets as "expensive portable merchandise"? What protects a victim against a perp who becomes enraged at finding meager pickings and shoots in frustration?

I guess I'm trying to understand why other's right to carry would be less worthy than yours. After all, it's only property and probably insured.

As for relicensing, it makes good sense to ensure that someone is still qualified to possess and use something (even driving a car) that can potentially have grave consequences. Still, annual renewals seem a bit excessive. Why not every ten years, same as passports? And why age 55 rather than 65?
quote=RixPix quote=sarge69 I have concealed weap... (show quote)


Jewelers are always targets. I have been robbed at least nine times since 1977. The best take being 12/21/84 where the take was close to a half million dollars. Almost always at gun point with one exception when a knife was used to fatally stab the women standing next to me (co-worker) as an incentive for me to open the vault. Shooting the gun his partner had would have alerted to many people.

Annual renewals after 55 is to ensure compliance and vision acuity. I don't care how fit someone thinks they are after 55 you're not a fit as you think.

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Aug 17, 2012 20:50:35   #
ole sarg Loc: south florida
 
rixpix You know it. I went to the gulf at the tender age of 50 and found that one really can't shoot a rifle to well with bifocals!

But, I can still acquire a target picture and hold it for at least 4 rounds. I find the Baretta model 96 9mm so well balanced that it is my favorite side arm.

Here in Miami the jewlers don't wear watches, don't show flash, and all have concealed weapons permits and carry.

What a horribly dangerous profession you chose.

You probably know the jewler who was in the so miami shootout in the mid 90s. In fact I would not be surprised if we knew each other or had mutual friends.

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Aug 17, 2012 21:41:34   #
Bunko.T Loc: Western Australia.
 
dtcracer wrote:
Bunko.T wrote:
Well I put it to y'all. Let's get back to the Cinemas Schools & Temples massacres. What's the answer to that problem. It happens with monotonous regularity.


Catch 'em all, pack 'em up and send them to a penal colony!


Before or after the event??? Hello, That's the crux of the problem.

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Aug 17, 2012 22:01:58   #
Bunko.T Loc: Western Australia.
 
Phreedom wrote:
RixPix wrote:
sarge69 wrote:
I have concealed weapon permits for Maine, New Hampshire.

Gun is beside bed in drawer. Told wife if someone comes in and she needs to shoot

"Fire 7 times - If it still moves, there's one more in the chamber "

Sarge


My feelings on a concealed weapons permit is very simple I have one because I deal in expensive portable merchandise and as such I am a target for criminal activity. I cannot understand why anyone who is not in a similar profession would need to carry a gun. I also believe that annual qualification tests including vision should be required for ALL individuals over the age of 55 who wish to carry a concealed weapon.
quote=sarge69 I have concealed weapon permits for... (show quote)


I'm not trying to start an argument here but why would your dealing in "expensive portable merchandise" mark you as a target and thus qualify your personal need to carry? What are the outstanding circumstances? Do you carry when not engaged in your dealings?

Might not John or Joan Q public consider their jewelry and wallets as "expensive portable merchandise"? What protects a victim against a perp who becomes enraged at finding meager pickings and shoots in frustration?

I guess I'm trying to understand why other's right to carry would be less worthy than yours. After all, it's only property and probably insured.

As for relicensing, it makes good sense to ensure that someone is still qualified to possess and use something (even driving a car) that can potentially have grave consequences. Still, annual renewals seem a bit excessive. Why not every ten years, same as passports? And why age 55 rather than 65?
quote=RixPix quote=sarge69 I have concealed weap... (show quote)


What wold you call security guards on payroll vans? Maybe I watch too many movies [American] but I reckon they'd be ripe for the plucking if there were no guns.
A new one in Aust of recent is ATMs. They fill them with gas & spark them up. Sometimes they get the cash box. We never see payroll hystes from vans now.
Horses for courses, guns for protection of 'Portable Expensive Merchandise'.
There is control & checks on such weapons.

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