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Nov 15, 2018 01:09:18   #
speters Loc: Grangeville/Idaho
 
Cavik wrote:
OK – I have had this Canon T6 for about 2 months and I have been learning many new things every day. Started with the basics of the exposure triangle and how they interact with each other – controls on the camera – lenses – filters – etc. Then tackled some more advanced things for me like the rules – exposure compensation – white balance – etc. On top of all that I watched videos, read articles and even checked out the exif data on photos I liked but I could not mimic the quality of the pics I investigated. I had started out in full auto mode and quickly realized that was going to get me nowhere so I jumped full in to M mode. It has been fun but I was still not getting what I wanted. Even with adjusting the white balance my pics looked dull or washed out. Eash time I tackled a new topic I read, watch videos and shoot many pics to try out the setting - I think I may need a new camera before I learn how to use this one effectively. (smile) Then today my new assignment was to start using some of the creative modes which I always assumed were just glorified "automatic" modes like the full auto mode. But I decided that I needed to learn what they had to offer too so I chose the “close up” mode and WOW! That mode lets you make very vivid colors pop in your photo – one of the things I wanted to do. I am very excited to learn what all the creative modes are capable of producing but it does bring a couple questions to mind. So my questions are these… do you more experienced photographers use the creative modes when you shoot? And… can you recreate a pic in the M mode that looks like it was done in creative mode? I am trying to figure out if the M mode can compete with the creative modes if a photographer is more experienced / knowledgeable. By the way I have gained a lot of knowledge from reading the posts on UHH and just wanted to thank all of you that share with us newbies.
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I really don't know what you mean by creative mode, the only creative mode I know of is shooting in manual!

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Nov 15, 2018 06:37:41   #
Stephan G
 
Cavik wrote:
Thank you. I will try to get up to speed quickly - at least enough to ask an intelligent question. The excitement of this new hobby is so overwhelming and my knowledge is very limited at the moment so I am having a tendency to try to learn everything at once which includes looking for answers to questions that are far beyond my grasp right now. I will slow down and work through the basics and then start asking questions again.


The "biggest" error to make is not to ask.

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Nov 15, 2018 06:45:42   #
rmalarz Loc: Tempe, Arizona
 
The advice you've received in this thread is quite valuable. To address the idea of processing, yes, that does become a very important aspect of producing an outstanding photograph. However, this process begins with knowing the camera you are using and how the initial exposure coupled with processing that exposure will produce the anticipated results. Being able to previsualize your results prior to taking the initial exposure helps incredibly.
--Bob

Cavik wrote:
OK – I have had this Canon T6 for about 2 months and I have been learning many new things every day. Started with the basics of the exposure triangle and how they interact with each other – controls on the camera – lenses – filters – etc. Then tackled some more advanced things for me like the rules – exposure compensation – white balance – etc. On top of all that I watched videos, read articles and even checked out the exif data on photos I liked but I could not mimic the quality of the pics I investigated. I had started out in full auto mode and quickly realized that was going to get me nowhere so I jumped full in to M mode. It has been fun but I was still not getting what I wanted. Even with adjusting the white balance my pics looked dull or washed out. Eash time I tackled a new topic I read, watch videos and shoot many pics to try out the setting - I think I may need a new camera before I learn how to use this one effectively. (smile) Then today my new assignment was to start using some of the creative modes which I always assumed were just glorified "automatic" modes like the full auto mode. But I decided that I needed to learn what they had to offer too so I chose the “close up” mode and WOW! That mode lets you make very vivid colors pop in your photo – one of the things I wanted to do. I am very excited to learn what all the creative modes are capable of producing but it does bring a couple questions to mind. So my questions are these… do you more experienced photographers use the creative modes when you shoot? And… can you recreate a pic in the M mode that looks like it was done in creative mode? I am trying to figure out if the M mode can compete with the creative modes if a photographer is more experienced / knowledgeable. By the way I have gained a lot of knowledge from reading the posts on UHH and just wanted to thank all of you that share with us newbies.
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Nov 15, 2018 06:59:27   #
Whuff Loc: Marshalltown, Iowa
 
Cavik wrote:
OK – I have had this Canon T6 for about 2 months and I have been learning many new things every day. Started with the basics of the exposure triangle and how they interact with each other – controls on the camera – lenses – filters – etc. Then tackled some more advanced things for me like the rules – exposure compensation – white balance – etc. On top of all that I watched videos, read articles and even checked out the exif data on photos I liked but I could not mimic the quality of the pics I investigated. I had started out in full auto mode and quickly realized that was going to get me nowhere so I jumped full in to M mode. It has been fun but I was still not getting what I wanted. Even with adjusting the white balance my pics looked dull or washed out. Eash time I tackled a new topic I read, watch videos and shoot many pics to try out the setting - I think I may need a new camera before I learn how to use this one effectively. (smile) Then today my new assignment was to start using some of the creative modes which I always assumed were just glorified "automatic" modes like the full auto mode. But I decided that I needed to learn what they had to offer too so I chose the “close up” mode and WOW! That mode lets you make very vivid colors pop in your photo – one of the things I wanted to do. I am very excited to learn what all the creative modes are capable of producing but it does bring a couple questions to mind. So my questions are these… do you more experienced photographers use the creative modes when you shoot? And… can you recreate a pic in the M mode that looks like it was done in creative mode? I am trying to figure out if the M mode can compete with the creative modes if a photographer is more experienced / knowledgeable. By the way I have gained a lot of knowledge from reading the posts on UHH and just wanted to thank all of you that share with us newbies.
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I’m not sure if it’s considered a creative mode or not but I use Aperture priority about 90% of the time. I started out with a T3i, a forerunner of the T6 and quickly moved to shooting Raw and using post processing. When you see what PP can do you’ll switch too. You should have Canon’s Digital Photo Professional (DPP) software that came with your camera, if not you can download it for free. Why not shoot jpg + Raw for a day and try it out? It may take a few how-to videos to figure out but you’ll be amazed at the results. If you look at the photos on 500pix or Viewbug, you’ll find that the majority of the photos there are highly processed. You can take a look at some of my photos by clicking the link to my Viewbug account below my signature line.

Walt

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Nov 15, 2018 06:59:43   #
BebuLamar
 
I never used any of the so called creative modes. The reason because I don't know exactly how they works. The manual never describes exactly how they do it. I can do a lot of tests to find out but it would take too much time. And no I wouldn't use any features unless I know how they make the decision.

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Nov 15, 2018 07:28:29   #
Gene51 Loc: Yonkers, NY, now in LSD (LowerSlowerDelaware)
 
Cavik wrote:
OK – I have had this Canon T6 for about 2 months and I have been learning many new things every day. Started with the basics of the exposure triangle and how they interact with each other – controls on the camera – lenses – filters – etc. Then tackled some more advanced things for me like the rules – exposure compensation – white balance – etc. On top of all that I watched videos, read articles and even checked out the exif data on photos I liked but I could not mimic the quality of the pics I investigated. I had started out in full auto mode and quickly realized that was going to get me nowhere so I jumped full in to M mode. It has been fun but I was still not getting what I wanted. Even with adjusting the white balance my pics looked dull or washed out. Eash time I tackled a new topic I read, watch videos and shoot many pics to try out the setting - I think I may need a new camera before I learn how to use this one effectively. (smile) Then today my new assignment was to start using some of the creative modes which I always assumed were just glorified "automatic" modes like the full auto mode. But I decided that I needed to learn what they had to offer too so I chose the “close up” mode and WOW! That mode lets you make very vivid colors pop in your photo – one of the things I wanted to do. I am very excited to learn what all the creative modes are capable of producing but it does bring a couple questions to mind. So my questions are these… do you more experienced photographers use the creative modes when you shoot? And… can you recreate a pic in the M mode that looks like it was done in creative mode? I am trying to figure out if the M mode can compete with the creative modes if a photographer is more experienced / knowledgeable. By the way I have gained a lot of knowledge from reading the posts on UHH and just wanted to thank all of you that share with us newbies.
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Ansel Adams said "Dodging and burning are steps to take care of mistakes God made in establishing tonal relationships." He worked in black and white, but the concept still applies to digital. You have the ability to manipulate more than just tone - you can do hue saturation and luminance, contrast, micro contrast, structure, etc.

The problem with setting custom modes in camera is that if you decide to do a different treatment on the image, and the settings you used discarded image information that you might need for the different treatment, you won't be able to do much with the image.

This is the reason why many photographers choose to record images as raw files, and make the creative choices in post processing. Editing a raw file can give you the "pop" you are looking for, or in the case of scenes with highly saturated colors, you can tone it down a bit, without any negative consequences.

The answer to your question is, then, photographers who desire complete control over the creative process will not concentrate on the exposure method or scene settings, and just ensure that all the image information is recorded so that it maximizes the creative possibilities in post processing.

This is an example of a dull image out of the camera, and what happens when you apply creative interpretations in post processing.


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Nov 15, 2018 07:46:59   #
kenievans Loc: Dallas
 
Cavik wrote:
Thanks kenievans - good to know a fellow T6 owner. Do you have any of your pics posted here on UHH? Since you have the exact same camera I have I might pester you occasionally for some information if you don't mind.


Just click on anyones username and it will take you to their profile. You can see the topics/photos they have posted. I will be happy to try and answer any questions I can for you but I am by no means an expert. Just PM me. If i dont know i will tell you but there are lots of very knowledgeable folks here that can answer just about any question you have.

Be sure and check out the sub forums too. You might find one that interests you. I personally post mostly in For Your Consideration since I am primarily interested in the artistic side of photography but there are many otbers.

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Nov 15, 2018 08:07:44   #
rmalarz Loc: Tempe, Arizona
 
Super work on this one, Gene.
--Bob
Gene51 wrote:
Ansel Adams said "Dodging and burning are steps to take care of mistakes God made in establishing tonal relationships." He worked in black and white, but the concept still applies to digital. You have the ability to manipulate more than just tone - you can do hue saturation and luminance, contrast, micro contrast, structure, etc.

The problem with setting custom modes in camera is that if you decide to do a different treatment on the image, and the settings you used discarded image information that you might need for the different treatment, you won't be able to do much with the image.

This is the reason why many photographers choose to record images as raw files, and make the creative choices in post processing. Editing a raw file can give you the "pop" you are looking for, or in the case of scenes with highly saturated colors, you can tone it down a bit, without any negative consequences.

The answer to your question is, then, photographers who desire complete control over the creative process will not concentrate on the exposure method or scene settings, and just ensure that all the image information is recorded so that it maximizes the creative possibilities in post processing.

This is an example of a dull image out of the camera, and what happens when you apply creative interpretations in post processing.
Ansel Adams said "Dodging and burning are ste... (show quote)

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Nov 15, 2018 08:29:13   #
gvarner Loc: Central Oregon Coast
 
Cavik wrote:
For now I am shooting JPG. Over the years with the point and shoot that is all I encountered. Not sure when I will move to RAW. I can see where RAW has definite advantages over JPG but am still getting my feet wet with DSLR cameras so I think I will tackle the camera first then progress to post processing.


That’s a good approach, start off simple. With my D7000 I started by using Program mode because it was featured on a training video that came with the camera. Since I do mostly landscapes I experimented with Landscape mode and saw how it added more "pop" to the photo, so I took a look at the settings that the camera was using in that mode and figured out how to tweak each one using the menu so that I didn’t have to rely on Landscape mode to do it.

The next step is to get into post processing. That’s where you can attempt to bring out the best or repair the worst in a photo. "Attempt" is the operative word there. Good shooting.

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Nov 15, 2018 08:39:30   #
kdogg Loc: Gallipolis Ferry WV
 
Transbuff1985 wrote:
I have the T6 also and at time I use the creative mode to see what the camera recommends and than switch to Manual and change what I want to have control of - depending on the type of shot I want. For landscape always use a CPL - helps foliage color. Always shoot 1/3 to 1 full stop under for color also. Bob


Great advice Bob, especially exposure compensation. During my film days when shooting slide film it was my best friend. Still use it today with my digital cameras.

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Nov 15, 2018 09:03:06   #
chris100849
 
I am surprised I haven't seen this mentioned,
You can shoot in both raw and jpeg on your camera. Go to settings and quality. Then you will have a raw file to play with. The down side is you will use a lot of memory on your memory card. No big deal. Enjoy the journey

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Nov 15, 2018 09:25:12   #
ggab Loc: ?
 
Cavik wrote:
Are the great pics I see on UHH done with post processing then? And not with the initial shot with the camera?


Regardless of how they answer, yes.
Not one person that I have seen, anywhere, goes from camera to print or post with out post process.
The skill of the photographer is not only with using their gear, but their skill using their PP software. The reasons that have always been given to me relates back to film. The photographer not only was an expert composing a shot, taking the photo, but also developing the photo. It is the development part that is replaced by Post Process Software.

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Nov 15, 2018 10:02:24   #
Gene51 Loc: Yonkers, NY, now in LSD (LowerSlowerDelaware)
 
rmalarz wrote:
Super work on this one, Gene.
--Bob


Thanks!

What I saw that morning was somewhere between what the first and second images, but closer to the second. The camera just couldn't capture the tonal range and late fall color, nor the structure in the sky as I saw it. So about 10 minutes spent in post processing - Lightroom initially to merge the 15 images that made up the image and do some preliminary tone re-balancing, then finished in Photoshop and ON1.

Most SOOC shooters would have shot it as a single image with a wider lens, taken one look at the jpeg on the computer and pressed delete.

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Nov 15, 2018 10:17:50   #
Gene51 Loc: Yonkers, NY, now in LSD (LowerSlowerDelaware)
 
chris100849 wrote:
I am surprised I haven't seen this mentioned,
You can shoot in both raw and jpeg on your camera. Go to settings and quality. Then you will have a raw file to play with. The down side is you will use a lot of memory on your memory card. No big deal. Enjoy the journey


Actually if you do it right, in many situations, the jpeg will require different exposure settings. If you shoot the raw file to leverage the extra dynamic range, the jpeg will be unusable and irrelevant - so why bother? Unless you are shooting for a client that requires instant results, or one that will not accept a jpeg generated from a raw file (Reuters comes to mind), then there is no benefit to shooting jpeg at all, especially if image quality is a high priority.

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Nov 15, 2018 10:21:41   #
Sally D
 
I can relate to your comment. I started shooting about 2 years ago with a Canon Rebel SL1. I think it is the greatest hobby ever and am thoroughly enjoying it. I still use the Rebel which is certainly an entry level camera but I have invested in some much better glass. I’m responding primarily to your mention of shooting RAW. I started in jpeg then decided to try RAW alongside the jpeg. After exactly one trip out, I eliminated jpeg and have been shooting in RAW ever since. I also subscribe to Lightroom CC for about $10 a month. I use it for all of my post processing and although I’m still definitely a beginner can quite often end up with photos I’m really happy with. I also use LR for cataloging my photos. I encourage you to keep having fun as I am . . .and to give RAW and Lightroom CC a chance.

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