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Nov 1, 2018 13:21:50   #
latebloomer Loc: Topeka, KS
 
TriX wrote:
Sorry, I’m afraid you are a few hours late. The $250 rebate was there last night at 11PM, but gone this morning at B&H - I’m assuming the sale went through the 31st. You might try calling them and see if they’d honor it. Lacking that, if you can wait a month or so, it’s likely they’ll start it up again - they do it regularly.


I have found that an item with a rebate can often be found on another site than the site that no longer has the rebate.
A lot of people on this site, besides B&H, like Adorama, Amazon, and some other recommended sites. Do a search on UHH, and you can find trustworthy sites and sites to avoid at all costs.
Good Luck

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Nov 1, 2018 14:02:59   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
latebloomer wrote:
I have found that an item with a rebate can often be found on another site than the site that no longer has the rebate.
A lot of people on this site, besides B&H, like Adorama, Amazon, and some other recommended sites. Do a search on UHH, and you can find trustworthy sites and sites to avoid at all costs.
Good Luck


Adorama has the rebate deal now.

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Nov 1, 2018 14:08:08   #
aubreybogle Loc: Albuquerque, NM
 
burkphoto wrote:
In my personal experience, HP makes great OFFICE printers and pretty awful photo printers, unless you spend thousands for one of their high end wide format beasts.

Canon and Epson are the photo printer champs.

The Canon Pro 100 is probably the favorite photo printer of this forum. It is often available with a rebate and a free pack of paper, so take advantage of that deal!

Both brands want to give you the printer at cost, then extract all they can from you by selling ink. If you use third party inks, go for the professional solutions, not the stuff you buy at the strip mall refill center! The cheap stuff WILL ruin your printer.

Check out the Printers and Color Printing forum. https://www.uglyhedgehog.com/s-120-1.html It has lots of threads on all things printing, printers, color management, etc.

As an ex-lab guy, I have to tell you not to buy any photo printer unless you own a decent monitor and calibrate it and profile it with a hardware/software kit on a monthly basis. Without a calibrated and custom-profiled monitor, owning a photo printer of any type is a waste of money, chasing your tail trying to catch the right color in your prints. $150 to $200 for a cal kit seems like a lot, but you can QUICKLY spend that much on photo paper and ink without one. Results are STUNNINGLY ACCURATE with one. Even lab prints will look better if you adjust images with a calibrated and profiled monitor.
In my personal experience, HP makes great OFFICE p... (show quote)


As usual, agree with the sage, well informed, advice from burkphoto, with one quibble. I own both quality Epson and HP printers. Both are perfectly capable of producing good quality 11-14 prints using their proprietary inks and appropriate paper. Don't try ink offbrands, sigh. I also color calibrate my UHD monitor and printers monthly.

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Nov 1, 2018 14:33:55   #
loubee
 
Hi, Just took your advice a few days ago & bought a Canon Pixma Pro-100 at B & H. I don't know if it's still on-going, but they had some celebration specials going & the printer w/free paper (& free shipping!) ended up being $59.99! Absolutely incredible,...hope you can still get that price!

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Nov 1, 2018 15:19:00   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
aubreybogle wrote:
As usual, agree with the sage, well informed, advice from burkphoto, with one quibble. I own both quality Epson and HP printers. Both are perfectly capable of producing good quality 11-14 prints using their proprietary inks and appropriate paper. Don't try ink offbrands, sigh. I also color calibrate my UHD monitor and printers monthly.


As long as it’s a true photo printer, and not just CMYK office color, an HP might be okay. The problem I’ve seen is that people want to do double-duty with a four-color HP all-in-one made for offices. HP is the most common office printer brand. Photo printers use 6-12 inks.

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Nov 1, 2018 16:34:27   #
johnbee418 Loc: Manchester Conn.
 
Anna M-W wrote:
I think that you need to pay a lot more to be worth the effort that you need to print to a high stander I uses a Epson P600 and we general get along with one another. My partner has stopped asking me to kill the printer rather than my self. best AMW


Hi Anna. Quick immaterial and irrelevant question: Does M-W stand for Mae Wong?

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Nov 1, 2018 17:36:09   #
Disspayne
 
What is the rebate code?

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Nov 1, 2018 19:01:40   #
rfmaude41 Loc: Lancaster, Texas (DFW area)
 
HardwareGuy wrote:
My vote goes to the Canon Pixma Pro 100 also. I know Epson puts out fine prints, but over the past 15 years of owning 3 or 4, I gave up on them due to their notorious clogging issues.


That's probably 'cause you din't use it according to their directions (print something regularly); I have an "old" R1800 that has had NO PROBLEMS as I print a few (Demo) pages every month.....

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Nov 1, 2018 23:55:43   #
rochephoto
 
Epson... Print through photoshop using a printer/paper profile...

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Nov 2, 2018 09:16:03   #
HardwareGuy
 
rfmaude41 wrote:
That's probably 'cause you din't use it according to their directions (print something regularly); I have an "old" R1800 that has had NO PROBLEMS as I print a few (Demo) pages every month.....

Uh, no, you would be incorrect on your presumption. Epson printers are well-known for their clogging tendencies. By my 3rd one, I printed a test sheet every few days and it still goofed up.

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Nov 2, 2018 11:21:49   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
HardwareGuy wrote:
Uh, no, you would be incorrect on your presumption. Epson printers are well-known for their clogging tendencies. By my 3rd one, I printed a test sheet every few days and it still goofed up.


I managed the digital printing departments of a very large professional lab back in 2000-2005. In 2003, we bought a $5000 Epson Stylus Pro 9600 that used the original Ultrachrome inks. It replaced a dozen seldom-used large format optical (silver halide) printers. It totally changed our large print quality, pricing structure, cost structure, labor, QC, etc. — for the better.

That beast ran for two years, flawlessly, using only Epson ink. When third party inks came out, the guy who ran the printer for me wanted to try them. Stupidly, I ordered a sample supply from a reputable printer supply company. The printer clogged about three days after we started using the third party inks.

The head replacement was around $1800 in 2005 money. The Epson technician showed me the problem... the two inks we had replaced had reacted with the Epson inks. A hard, tarry-like precipitate developed in the ink lines from those two cartridges to the head, and some of that gunk clogged the nozzles. He had to replace those two ink lines along with the head.

The new head lasted another three years. Meanwhile, we added a Stylus Pro 9800 and Stylus Pro 9880. They were still going when I left the lab in 2012.

At home, my wife and I have used several Epsons. The only time we ever had a problem was when my wife insisted on using third party inks in her small business printer. She bought refilled cartridges from one of those strip mall refill centers. She went through three of the same printer model before I convinced her to use only genuine Epson inks. The fourth one lasted about five years.

I had a Stylus Photo 925 that I won at the PMAI show in 2003. It lasted five years, finally clogging through lack of use. We had a couple of all-in-ones later. Both failed when my kids tried to print on construction paper and the fibers from the uncoated stock got stuck in the head. I'm using a WF-3640 now, and it's been flawless. I just updated the firmware in it 20 minutes ago.

The keys to avoiding clogs are to use the printer often, at least once a week, preferably with OEM or PROVEN-compatible inks. Don't let your inks sit in the printer longer than six months after you install the cartridges, and don't use cartridges past their expiration date! This is more important with pigment-based inks than with dye-based inks, but both will deteriorate over time. Old ink WILL clog your heads. Don't buy more than you can use, and don't be afraid to toss out old cartridges.

There are some third-party inks that run just fine in Epsons. Some of the UHH folks in the Printers and Color Printing forum know what to use. I would follow their advice if I were going to use third party ink.

One very important thing to remember about home photo printing is that it is NOT a way to save money on prints! Do it for control, if you understand — and can discipline yourself to practice — good ICC color management techniques. Do it for privacy, if you make prints of a sensitive nature. Do it for immediacy, if you "just gotta" have a print in a hurry. Do it because you want a better print life than a lab offers. Do it for LARGE size prints (most labs charge outrageous prices for large prints, because they can!). Large = 24" on the short side. Do it for the wide range of substrates you can use, such as canvas, art board, archival quality cotton rag papers, etc. Do it for a wider color gamut than it is possible to reproduce with silver halide papers and wet processing (RA-4).

If you want cheap, there are plenty of professional labs who have GREAT remote order entry systems. You can upload images from your computer, and the prints arrive a few days later. You can get their profiles to use for soft-proofing in Photoshop, for What You See is What They Print color.

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Nov 2, 2018 22:32:39   #
HardwareGuy
 
I should have specified that my problems have been with Epson home and small office printers. You are correct that Epsons are frequently used in professional capacity without those issues.
Just go onto an Epson forum and "clog" comes up a lot.

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