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Oct 26, 2018 12:45:03   #
cambriaman Loc: Central CA Coast
 
The finished photo is YOUR product and you must be pleased with it. I have found over my many years that the resultant appearance is all the viewers care about. They don't want to know how you did it, how hard it was to get to the locale, how hard it was to deal with the lighting, how you added fill flash et al. The product has to speak for itself.

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Oct 26, 2018 13:50:48   #
suntouched Loc: Sierra Vista AZ
 
lesdmd wrote:
I think of photography as my means of creating something artistic. When I have completed an image to my satisfaction I do not need or want anyone to critique it for me. In other words I do not care if he or she likes what I already like.
The frustration comes from people who claim to know something about photography, ask to see something I have done, and then make very superficial comments like “nice” or “good”. This even extends to the same person asking to see the pre-processed image and then being able to see nothing but the most obvious improvements.
This all started as a rant to allow me to vent a bit. I realize friends are often being polite, are well intentioned, are less than perfect, and claim to know more than they do.
I think of photography as my means of creating som... (show quote)


Well actually it seems you do care what others think. Most of us do. We may please ourselves but it is nice to have others validate our efforts and results. And it appears to especially bother you that others are getting accolades for what you deem inferior (while you're not getting those accolades ). I think that is human nature.

As far as family and friends not appreciating the time and effort it takes to photograph them well- I personally think as long as they look good in the photo they are happy and not at all concerned with the finer points. And most are impatient with the process anyway.

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Oct 26, 2018 14:18:05   #
stepha11 Loc: Trail British Coluimbia
 
After observing for several years various comments here and there, I think the wisest and best comments here are from Maine. Always sensible and to the point. Thank you.

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Oct 26, 2018 14:30:53   #
lev29 Loc: Born and living in MA.
 
AZNikon wrote:
Most people won't notice that you just cleaned your house, but YOU know, and that's all that matters ...
Just commenting on your analogy - unfortunately, the inverse is not true.

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Oct 26, 2018 15:12:13   #
BlueMorel Loc: Southwest Michigan
 
I respond to a photo several ways - how it makes me feel, how successful it is according to my training in art and photography, how it relates to my experiences and interest. Because each person who sees my photos comes to them with different internal views, I don't expect them to appreciate them the same way that I do. I view each time I click the shutter as a competition with myself to end up with a photo I respond to.
As far as other people's photos, part of the joy of UHH and other sharing sites is enjoying the many views in this wprld that reaffirm my interests or expose me to new things or techniques and being with like-minded people.

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Oct 26, 2018 15:37:30   #
KTJohnson Loc: Northern Michigan
 
lesdmd wrote:


My older brother (and I am pretty old) has trouble understanding my attitude of not caring what people think of me. I try not to go out of my way to antagonize anyone; but I am comfortable in my skin, and the things I do not like about myself I am still working on. It's a pretty wonderful way to live into old age.


All I can say to this is, "Right On!" I am right there with you, man.

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Oct 26, 2018 15:40:19   #
TomC. Loc: Bel Air, MD
 
lesdmd wrote:
Many of us try to master basics of composition. Going further, post processing can undeniably make a good picture even better. So, after I am all done, pretty satisfied with the improvements over what I got straight out of the camera, people who view the images spend very little time viewing them critically. It's particularly frustrating if I provide a before and after; and differences are not noticed until I point them out.
Since I photograph and process for my own satisfaction, it makes little difference that careful viewing holds so little interest. One could argue that all that matters is that the image leaves an instantaneous impression of "good" and that nothing else is necessary. But usually there is so much else going on that raises good to "very good" or even "excellent".
Only superficially related: I have always loved listening to music, preferably live or through good quality speakers. Ear buds do not and cannot provide the same experience. For most people they are good enough. The concern is that standards of quality have been cheapened.
Many of us try to master basics of composition. G... (show quote)


Several years ago, I took and printed out a few photos. A couple of them really caught my interest. To this day, they are listed in my favorites folder and I visit them every now and then and still enjoy them. In the years after those pictures, I learned what I could about photography and put my knowledge to work in all my photographs. Now, I know why I like certain photos. They're made using the rules, or not, of good composition. I really enjoy my hobby and share my pics with at least 20 other people including family. I often get compliments from some of them and I'm glad they enjoyed them.
Whether they gaze at them for 2 minutes or 5 seconds, if they enjoy them, it's all good with me.

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Oct 26, 2018 15:54:02   #
Mister H Loc: Michigan
 
lesdmd wrote:
Many of us try to master basics of composition. Going further, post processing can undeniably make a good picture even better. So, after I am all done, pretty satisfied with the improvements over what I got straight out of the camera, people who view the images spend very little time viewing them critically. It's particularly frustrating if I provide a before and after; and differences are not noticed until I point them out.
Since I photograph and process for my own satisfaction, it makes little difference that careful viewing holds so little interest. One could argue that all that matters is that the image leaves an instantaneous impression of "good" and that nothing else is necessary. But usually there is so much else going on that raises good to "very good" or even "excellent".
Only superficially related: I have always loved listening to music, preferably live or through good quality speakers. Ear buds do not and cannot provide the same experience. For most people they are good enough. The concern is that standards of quality have been cheapened.
Many of us try to master basics of composition. G... (show quote)


One can agree with most of the comments. And yes in the end, it’s what you’re happiest with. How many paintings have you looked at and not seen what the artist wanted you to see. A lot more work involved (in most cases) and I’m sure more disappointment than we know. Don’t stop with photography, it’s for you first and foremost. And then maybe for us to admire after.

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Oct 26, 2018 15:57:49   #
Indiana Loc: Huntington, Indiana
 
lesdmd wrote:
Many of us try to master basics of composition. Going further, post processing can undeniably make a good picture even better. So, after I am all done, pretty satisfied with the improvements over what I got straight out of the camera, people who view the images spend very little time viewing them critically. It's particularly frustrating if I provide a before and after; and differences are not noticed until I point them out.
Since I photograph and process for my own satisfaction, it makes little difference that careful viewing holds so little interest. One could argue that all that matters is that the image leaves an instantaneous impression of "good" and that nothing else is necessary. But usually there is so much else going on that raises good to "very good" or even "excellent".
Only superficially related: I have always loved listening to music, preferably live or through good quality speakers. Ear buds do not and cannot provide the same experience. For most people they are good enough. The concern is that standards of quality have been cheapened.
Many of us try to master basics of composition. G... (show quote)

Photographically, I think most people just respond to their initial impression and verbalize with a quick comment. It sounds as if you are an analytical person and are looking for responders with that same critical analysis as they view your work, and would then respond accordingly. Unfortunately, not all critics are analytical, and as a result their comments are not appreciative of the effort in the photographic process. Perhaps a test photo is the way to go...that is, post a good photo on facebook, and then post the same photo on Hedgehog, and then measure the comments by a arbitrary rating system. Lots of facebook followers have a built-in WOW factor in their vocabulary...while the HH audience is more muted. Just my thoughts!

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Oct 26, 2018 17:20:36   #
debbie wrazen Loc: Western New York
 
Indiana wrote:
Photographically, I think most people just respond to their initial impression and verbalize with a quick comment. It sounds as if you are an analytical person and are looking for responders with that same critical analysis as they view your work, and would then respond accordingly. Unfortunately, not all critics are analytical, and as a result their comments are not appreciative of the effort in the photographic process. Perhaps a test photo is the way to go...that is, post a good photo on facebook, and then post the same photo on Hedgehog, and then measure the comments by a arbitrary rating system. Lots of facebook followers have a built-in WOW factor in their vocabulary...while the HH audience is more muted. Just my thoughts!
Photographically, I think most people just respond... (show quote)


I am not on Facebook, never have been. I could be on a site promoted by my camera brand and yes, visitors are invited to leave comments about other's photos. However, there is a genuine warmth on this site. I also enjoy learning about other brands, as well. Yes, I'm sure, there are more than a few 'visionaries' on UHH and thank goodness, there are some us who are inspired to learn from them, including the home ridden photographer , the one who finds awe in their neighborhood or their local nature center. I also immensely enjoy trip photo series. I believe the admin. created this site with this philosophy in mind.

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Oct 26, 2018 18:03:43   #
shelty Loc: Medford, OR
 
Well, from what you are saying, most all pictures are just records - nice to look at once in a while. But from there comes the corrections; color, cropping, etc. then, if you want to enter it in competition you have to do something to make it stand out - something you would like to hang on a wall and brag about. I would say that over 90% of everyone's pictures are just records. I take an image and do all sorts of things to it, enter it in competition, win a prize, and then stick it on top of all the other pictures I have.

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Oct 26, 2018 18:14:11   #
papa Loc: Rio Dell, CA
 
Do you think that you may be expecting too much from the masters that frequent this site? There are REAL photography forums like Fred Miranda, fstoppers, etc. that you can find the criticism you're looking for and by all means more that birding and travel scenic photography.

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Oct 26, 2018 18:22:03   #
Guyserman Loc: Benton, AR
 
[quote=lesdmd]
dennis2146 wrote:
Who do you think would be good at coming up with the self imposed standards of what is postable? Would that be you, Admin, who should set limits? What if YOUR photos don't make the grade? Could you please post some photos soon so we can all take a look. We all have different interests in photographic subjects, different ideas of what makes a great camera and the lenses to go along with it. But we all, also, have different standards that make us happy. While some of us shoot photos that we want to enter in contests, most of us basically want photos of travel, family, happy times, school events and so on. I have no idea how many members are on UHH but it would take that many categories to satisfy us all on the forum.

I'm not setting myself up to judge what should and should not be posted. And once again, even though I have said it repeatedly in these postings, I really do not care how others judge my photos, so there would be little point in posting them.

And c'mon, you have seen photos on Ugly Hedgehog that are simply crap... very badly exposed, no discernible subject of interest, out of focus, etc. Let's not pretend that photography has no standards and every time the shutter is pushed a "nice" image results. This doesn't mean images they shouldn't be seen. They may have great worth to those who took them. I don't reject the photographer who may not know better of is not capable of better; but I have no respect for those who comment with "great capture" or similar.
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I think I get it. You don't care about what others think of your photos but what they think of other people's photos really frustrates you.

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Oct 26, 2018 18:25:50   #
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Sorry Fact of Life:

Audiences are 99.99% clueless.

Perform if you absolutely must.



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Oct 27, 2018 02:31:52   #
joer Loc: Colorado/Illinois
 
lesdmd wrote:
Many of us try to master basics of composition. Going further, post processing can undeniably make a good picture even better. So, after I am all done, pretty satisfied with the improvements over what I got straight out of the camera, people who view the images spend very little time viewing them critically. It's particularly frustrating if I provide a before and after; and differences are not noticed until I point them out.
Since I photograph and process for my own satisfaction, it makes little difference that careful viewing holds so little interest. One could argue that all that matters is that the image leaves an instantaneous impression of "good" and that nothing else is necessary. But usually there is so much else going on that raises good to "very good" or even "excellent".
Only superficially related: I have always loved listening to music, preferably live or through good quality speakers. Ear buds do not and cannot provide the same experience. For most people they are good enough. The concern is that standards of quality have been cheapened.
Many of us try to master basics of composition. G... (show quote)


Most people couldn't care less about the technical aspects of an image. The content must be meaningful for them to give it more than a quick glance. Focus on content. They are not photographers.

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