The end of the DSLR? (Page 18): Don't take it personally...there is one in every group. I am new also and actually stopped posting because I thought that this forum was not newbie...

chefpat1

markwilliam1 wrote:

Well excuse me Mr. mwsilvers! I didn’t know I’m sorry for posting!

Don't take it personally...there is one in every group.
I am new also and actually stopped posting because I thought that this forum was not newbie friendly and then I realized that most of the negative comments were coming from the same person.
Just ignore it.

markwilliam1

Thanks for your response Sir!

PierreD wrote:

Well, for one it is claimed that ML EVF use more power than optical VF and this translates into shorter battery life. And, for the time being there are more lenses to choose from that are designed for DSLR than for ML cameras. This said (disclaimer: I am a 100% ML user), these advantages are rapidly shrinking, for many users they are not real obstacles, and I don't believe that they make up for the significant benefits (as abundantly described by others) that ML cameras offer compared to DSLR.

xt2 Loc: British Columbia, Canada

markwilliam1 wrote:

With all the major players going mirrorless is this the slow end for DSLRs?

Fraid so... When the digital age hit the film market, the analogue adherents struggled the same way our current DSLR users do now, railing against the creep to a new photographic age again. Time will tell, but my $$$ is on mirrorless, unless something else breaks into the current market to displace this obvious winner in this race. No big deal though. The current DSLR fan club can continue to enjoy the current state of the art for as long as the mirrors hold up. Others will adapt and engage the new mirrorless technology. Everyone is a winner!

Cheers!

CatMarley Loc: North Carolina

SharpShooter wrote:

Belittling? You mean disagreeing?
They’re not the same.
Instead tell me where EVF is better than optical?
SS

You already have read that over and over. If you have to opportunity to handle a top EVF, you would not even ask the question. The only thing the optical viewfinder is better at is you can admire the scenery through it as the eye sees it through a prism and mirror, but it won't be able to tell you what the finished photo will look like. As a tourist, I may like the former, but as a photographer, the latter is much more important.

xt2 Loc: British Columbia, Canada

Acountry330 wrote:

I think the DSLR has a long future . Mirror-less is just a baby. We still drive cars that use gasoline even though they make Electric Cars. Happy shooting.

Volvo is going full-out electric in 2019. VW is determined to be next. GM recently announced their plans to go full-time electric. As an old hot rodder, I am saddened, however, electric vehicles are coming and coming fast! DSLRs, maybe not so much. Their sales are destined to follow analogue film products, however, the current "old" technology will continued to be enjoyed by some who are happy with current performance levels as their ceiling. All good.

BunnyHop

I can't see spending that kind of money and then have to buy new lens also DSLR for another 5yrs until the price comes down

Bill_de Loc: US

xt2 wrote:

Fraid so... When the digital age hit the film mar... (show quote)

The transition to mirrorless might be easier than some of the prior transitions we've gone through. It took some time for editors and some customers to accept that a miniature film format known as 35mm could provide acceptable results. There were reports of photographers having Leica bodies mounted inside larger cameras just for show. It also took a relatively long time for the same industries to accept digital. The end result between DSLR and Mirrorless is the same, so the customer should have no problem. It will be the photographers that accept or reject the change.

My guess is mirrorless will overtake DSLR at some point, but nobody will be forced into it.

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SteveR Loc: Michigan

I'll believe it when there's a D5 equivalent ML. However....if the electronic viewfinder can provide a decent view, and the cameras and lenses result in smaller sizes and weight yet the same quality, they'll have great mass appeal over larger DSLR's.

PierreD

SteveR wrote:

I'll believe it when there's a D5 equivalent ML. However....if the electronic viewfinder can provide a decent view, and the cameras and lenses result in smaller sizes and weight yet the same quality, they'll have great mass appeal over larger DSLR's.

I suggest that you check it for yourself if you haven't done it. I think that if you do so, you will come to conclude that EVF do provide more than a decent view (not to mention everything else that others already mentioned) AND that quality ML and lenses result not only in smaller size and weight, but also in similar quality to DSLR. Given the competitiveness of the current market, things will surely continue to look up in the near future. As to the mass appeal of ML over larger DSLR, I suspect that we are past the question of whether it will happen and it IS already happening!

sirlensalot Loc: Arizona

ML is the wave that will carry photographers into the future, but not all that soon. I am guessing it will be difficult to purchase a new DSLR in 10-20 years. That said I still enjoy my DSLR's and my little Sony ML.
To answer sharpshooter - here is a list of 10 pros who use ML on the job. The list is about 3 years old, so I am guessing the list of pro's may have grown by 1-2?

1 Preface by Hugh Hastings (Photo Archive manager for Chelsea F.C.)
2 Giampiero Marchiori – Dance – Fujifilm X-T1
3 Chris Eyre-Walker – Surf – Olympus OM-D E-M1
4 Ian Cook – Various Sports – Lumix GH4
5 Joe Ng – Various Sports – Fujifilm X-T1
6 Spike Tennyson – Polo and Cycling – Olympus OM-D E-M1
7 Sharky James – Various sports – Sony a6000
8 Patrick Murphy-Racey – Various Sports – Sony a6000
9 Rick Maiman – Tennis – Nikon V3
10 Jacky Ley – Motorsports – Fujifilm X-T1
11 Chad Wadsworth – Motorsports – Sony A7 mark II, a6000

tdekany Loc: Oregon

SteveR wrote:

I'll believe it when there's a D5 equivalent ML. However....if the electronic viewfinder can provide a decent view, and the cameras and lenses result in smaller sizes and weight yet the same quality, they'll have great mass appeal over larger DSLR's.

Someone with as many posts as yours should take some time out and read up on what is available. The Sony A9 is a camera that matches the D5/1DxII.

twice_shooter

I don’t know when DSLR will perish or when and if mirrorless cameras will reign supreme. What I do know is that anyone can take a tack sharp, perfectly exposed but otherwise boring and crappy photo with either.

gwilliams6

davidb1879 wrote:

I didn't state that a DSLR with a quality lens produces better quality images than the Sony A9. I merely asked the question. Although some have flatly asserted that mirrorless quality exceeds DSLR's. Thus far no one has published comparisons of mirrorless images with those captured by a DSLR with a quality lens. In any event, I am glad that you love your Sony A9 and are getting great results. That is all to the good. Davidb1879

Actually DPReview , DXOMark, Imaging Resource, PCMag and others have all done that exact testing and comparison and rated the best sensors and cameras with quality lenses. You just need to look and ye shall find . Cheers

SharpShooter Loc: NorCal

xt2 wrote:

Volvo is going full-out electric in 2019. VW is determined to be next. GM recently announced their plans to go full-time electric. As an old hot rodder, I am saddened, however, electric vehicles are coming and coming fast! DSLRs, maybe not so much. Their sales are destined to follow analogue film products, however, the current "old" technology will continued to be enjoyed by some who are happy with current performance levels as their ceiling. All good.

Volvo May be going electric but I’ll bet it’s target market is NOT the US but Europe where the price of gas is SKY high.
In the US with rolling back emissions and mpg minimums, electric is gonna be a hard sell. How popular is Electric in the flyover states? Probably not so much. The oil industry is getting bigger not smaller. It won’t go away without a huge fight!
The media of film was destined to succumb to digital. Film was bulky and slow. But we’re not talking a different media here, just a different viewing system.
I could care less if mirrors go away. Just from everything I’ve been told and read and utubes links people post, I don’t even have an inkling to try ML.
Maybe if I was purely a landscaper I’d be jumping up and down, but I’m not!
Right now ML is a niche market, it sure needs to get bigger than that to call it a revolution!!!
SS

tdekany Loc: Oregon

SharpShooter wrote:

Volvo May be going electric but I’ll bet it’s targ... (show quote)

It was a niche market 10 years ago ss. It is way beyond it. It’s going head to head with dslrs.