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Oct 16, 2018 11:12:38   #
Grace98 Loc: Waterlooville, Hampshire - United Kingdom
 
Thanks Thomas....
thomasdwiers wrote:
I have a Nikon d7200 and the previous model of the Tamron 150-600. I love the combination. Yes, the lens is heavy but the reach is terrific. I have used mine to capture birds in flight as well and have obtained some fantastic results even "hand-held." Good luck!

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Oct 16, 2018 11:14:31   #
Grace98 Loc: Waterlooville, Hampshire - United Kingdom
 
throughrhettseyes wrote:
This lens is very very good. I have on. Take a tripod or monopod to support. The VR is so good you will buy it instantly. Get the Tamron 70 - 200 mm f2.8 g2 also. There are many you tube videos on how to shoot with a tripod with a big lens. A Gimble mount is really nice.



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Oct 16, 2018 11:15:36   #
Grace98 Loc: Waterlooville, Hampshire - United Kingdom
 
Thanks for the link...will definitely go through it - good to have comments.
russelray wrote:
I also shoot a lot of wildlife and BIF at the San Diego National Wildlife Refuge (both locations), Ramona Grasslands, the beaches, San Diego Zoo, Safari Park, SeaWorld, Discovery Center, and the East San Diego County boondocks. I rented the Tamron, the Sigma Contemporary, and the Sigma Sport for one week each. Each was tested by wandering around carrying the camera and lens in hand, ready to shoot at a moment's notice. I don't use a tripod except for time lapse photography over several hours, so how I felt after 8 hours wandering around carrying these beasts was critical.
Here's my complete review:
https://www.uglyhedgehog.com/t-458752-1.html
I also shoot a lot of wildlife and BIF at the San ... (show quote)

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Oct 16, 2018 11:19:16   #
Grace98 Loc: Waterlooville, Hampshire - United Kingdom
 
The new Nikkor 500mm is very expensive and I'm not keen on prime lenses. The 200-500 is heavier than the Tamron and that is my main criteria.
Pixtaker wrote:
You might consider the new lens out by Nikon. The AF-S NIKKOR 500mm f/5.6E PF ED VR, a Fixed Focal Length Super-Telephoto Lens as it is very small for a 500mm lens. I have read good things about it. Remember your lenses are your long term investment. Quality glass you will keep and the camera body will be what you will update from time to time. Another option, although bigger and heavier but cheaper would be the Nikon AF-S NIKKOR 200-500mm f/5.6E ED VR Lens. It is similar in price to the Tamron and is a very sharp lens.
You might consider the new lens out by Nikon. The... (show quote)

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Oct 16, 2018 11:25:21   #
jeep_daddy Loc: Prescott AZ
 
Grace98 wrote:
A few months ago I upgraded my Nikon 3300 to the D7500 which I'm very happy with. I've also rented the Tamron 150-600 G2 to try it out - it will arrive this Friday. I know it's good but as it's heavy, I want to see how I can cope with it as my preferred photography is wildlife and birds in flight. My current lens is 18-300 which is ok but not good for my type of shots. My question is, with all the hype about mirrorless, should I have gone for a mirrorless instead of the D7500? I think I did read somewhere that lenses for mirrorless are also heavy.....
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There aren't any lenses that are 600mm for a mirrorless camera except to say that you could use an adapter to fit a normal lens on your mirrorless camera and then you don't save any weight.

Honestly, what I see people do that can't seem to hand hold the heavy combination of a DSLR and super telephoto lens is to use a monopod or tripod. I suggest you try a monopod first. I know several women that use them and they do fine with the heavy equipment. I either use a tripod or hand hold my equipment.

I've done some research on DSLR vrss a ML camera and you save about 6oz average weight. That's not even a half a pound.

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Oct 16, 2018 11:43:24   #
old poet
 
Sticking with my D7200, Nikon 200-500 AF, VR, f5,6. Great results for BIF. Mirrorless can wait.

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Oct 16, 2018 12:12:12   #
Rickoshay Loc: Southern California
 
I love this advice!

rpavich wrote:
Shoot what you have. Forget spending more money.

The grass is always greener on someone else lawn. You will always wish for different gear than what you have...don't spend the money. Be happy, shoot, shoot, shoot.

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Oct 16, 2018 12:18:17   #
Geegee Loc: Peterborough, Ont.
 
Grace98 wrote:
A few months ago I upgraded my Nikon 3300 to the D7500 which I'm very happy with. I've also rented the Tamron 150-600 G2 to try it out - it will arrive this Friday. I know it's good but as it's heavy, I want to see how I can cope with it as my preferred photography is wildlife and birds in flight. My current lens is 18-300 which is ok but not good for my type of shots. My question is, with all the hype about mirrorless, should I have gone for a mirrorless instead of the D7500? I think I did read somewhere that lenses for mirrorless are also heavy.....
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No you did not make a mistake. I have a D7200 and a Tamron 150-600 G2 and love it. Yes it can get heavy if you have to hold/carry it for any length of time.
I use a good sturdy monopod as it takes the weight off while you are waiting for the shot. I also use a gimbal head on the monopod and that works real well as it allows you to easily pan and go up and down as required with very little effort.
For BIF I us a red dot sight. I find it invaluable for finding and following birds at very long focal lengths.

Good luck

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Oct 16, 2018 12:18:20   #
OllieFCR
 
Your camera is fine. You might want to try the Nikon 200-500mm lens. It is much sharper than the Tamron for not a lot of price difference. Most of my Nikon friends that do bird photography swear by that lens.

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Oct 16, 2018 12:52:35   #
no nameJoe
 
I own Sony mirrorless cameras both dx and fx, and as long as you have only short primes they are lighter, however as soon as you put a big tele like 150 to 600 either Tamron ,sigma, or nikon they will be just as heavy as your 7500 , and don't forget looking at the prizes of the new nikon mirrorles they are not cheap ! To put it mildly I also own the 7t00 and a fx 750 so I speak from my experience handling these cameras and a nikon 200 to 500

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Oct 16, 2018 12:55:27   #
tropics68 Loc: Georgia
 
Grace98 wrote:
A few months ago I upgraded my Nikon 3300 to the D7500 which I'm very happy with. I've also rented the Tamron 150-600 G2 to try it out - it will arrive this Friday. I know it's good but as it's heavy, I want to see how I can cope with it as my preferred photography is wildlife and birds in flight. My current lens is 18-300 which is ok but not good for my type of shots. My question is, with all the hype about mirrorless, should I have gone for a mirrorless instead of the D7500? I think I did read somewhere that lenses for mirrorless are also heavy.....
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Did a quick check and here is what I found.

Sony G Master 100-400mm 3.08 lbs (without tripod mount)
Nikon 80-400mm 3.50 lbs (with tripod mount)
Canon 100-400mm II 3.61 lbs (with tripod mount)
Tamron 150-600mm 4.3 lbs (with tripod mount)

It appears that there is very little difference in weight between the Sony, Nikon, or Canon while the Tamron is significantly heavier. I have both the Canon and Sony lenses referred to and, IMHO, without cameras on them the weight differences are miniscule. With cameras mounted the Canon is a little heftier and image quality differences between them,almost none. At my age I use my Sigma 100-150 almost exclusively on a tripod with a gimbal head. I would suggest keeping your Nikon and renting the Nikon lens of your choice also, then compare it side by side to the Tamron in actual use.

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Oct 16, 2018 13:10:16   #
Architect1776 Loc: In my mind
 
burkphoto wrote:
There are THREE mirrorless interchangeable lens camera formats:

Full frame (FX)
APS-C (DX)
Micro 4/3

Only Micro 4/3 systems save truly SIGNIFICANT weight, because their NATIVE (not adapted!) lenses are 50% to 75% lighter than full frame lenses of the same coverage (angles of view) and maximum aperture.

If you drank the cool aid about buying full frame lenses for your APS-C (DX) camera because “some day”, you might want to “move up” to a full frame body, then migrating to mirrorless won’t save noticeably significant weight.

If you bought all DX lenses for your DX Nikon, you saved some weight, maybe 25% to 30%. But those lenses won’t be anywhere near optimal when used on Nikon full frame mirrorless.

If you sell your existing gear and switch to A Panasonic Lumix G9 or GH5, or an Olympus OM-D E-M1 Mark II, and buy any mix of Olympus, Panasonic, Panasonic Leica, or other brands of native M4/3 glass, you’ll easily save half to 2/3 of your current system weight.

You have to decide how important weight saving is, in your situation. If you decide to change, rent the interesting new gear and try it before spending money on a new system.

Personally, I switched from a Canon-Nikon mix to a Lumix GH4 a few years ago. It was the right decision for my needs. *Your* needs should dictate your path.

I would try the Panasonic Leica 100-400mm f/4-f/6.3 zoom (equivalent to a 200-800mm on full frame) on a Lumix G9 and an Olympus OM-D E-M1 Mark II. The lens performs better on the G9, due to the Dual IS II stabilization system, but these bodies are ergonomically very different and the menu layouts are VERY different. You’ll almost certainly fight one and love the other.
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Well put. It is format dependent as I said earlier:
Sony 100-400mm f4.5-5.6: Weight, 49.3 oz; Length, 8 1/8"; Diameter, 3 3/4", Price $2,499.00, This is a lens for Sony mirrorless cameras
Nikon 80-400mm f4.5-5.6: Weight, 47 oz; Length, 6.7"; Diameter, 3.6", Price $2,499.00, This is for Nikon FF and APSC cameras.
Canon 100-400mm f4.5-5.6 MII: Weight, 57.92 oz; Length 7.6", Diameter, 3.7", Price $1,999.00, Canon F and APSC cameras (Canon is the only all metal built like a tank to pro standards)
Micro 4/3 Lumix 45-200mm f4-5.6: Weight, 13.5 oz, Length 3.94", Diameter 2.76", Price $449.00 this is equal to a FF 90-400mm lens

As you can see the real savings in size and weight is the M 4/3 mirrorless system.

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Oct 16, 2018 13:22:24   #
SteveR Loc: Michigan
 
Grace98 wrote:
Thank you all for your comments. The majority of you said that my D7500 was a good choice for the type of photography I like to shoot....it has made me feel better to know that many of you are still sticking to your DSLRs. As to the lens, I'm waiting to receive the Tamron which will have for 3 days.
Got a couple of nature reserves near me so that's where I will be trying out this lens. If it's too heavy for me to carry around for hours will have to rethink.
However, I've got a sturdy Manfrotto tripod and monopod so if I do decide to buy this lens, I will consider a gimbal as well. Maybe in the future, I might go mirrorless because I'll have problems with weight (I'm not a spring chicken). I've also started going to the gym (never set foot in a gym in all my life) to try and get some muscles - surely this would help ha ha....Grace
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Hopefully you'll find your Tamron lens to be of a nice weight. The Tamron 100-400mm that I bought my daughter is about half the weight of Nikon's 80-400mm.

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Oct 16, 2018 13:43:25   #
gwilliams6
 
Bill_de wrote:
For birders the most weight is typically in the lens. You have an excellent camera for what you shoot.

I will get a Z6 to get familiar with mirrorless. That's just so I can decide for myself what is real and what is hype. Mirrorless will not replace any of my DSLRs in the foreseeable future. Beyond that, who knows?

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I will agree with Bill_de, stick with your D7500. The new Z-cameras have frame rate issues (in reality, not the hyped fps as advertised) and won't really be good for BIF. Maybe next generation.

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Oct 16, 2018 13:44:07   #
cambriaman Loc: Central CA Coast
 
If you are thinking of buying the 150-600 later, I suggest you rent the Nikon 200-500 and compare results before you buy. I find my results with the Nikon are noticeably better than with my 150-500 Sigma but that is an older lens.

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