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Oct 10, 2018 08:52:18   #
abc1234 Loc: Elk Grove Village, Illinois
 
jerryc41 wrote:
Sounds good to me. I have two external drives and a NAS, so that's three. You can have a dozen backup drives, but if you don't backup often enough, you can lost a lot of work. I backup at least every other day.


I do not know what NAS is but if does not back up constantly, then backing up every other day does not provide the protection you really need.

With cloud products as reliable as they are, I cannot fathom why people use such complicated alternatives.

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Oct 10, 2018 08:54:41   #
rmalarz Loc: Tempe, Arizona
 
Steve,
I have my images on a G-Tech drive connected to my iMac. My original images are backed up on two additional systems locally and the G-Tech is backed up both locally and remotely. One can't have too many back ups. But, at some point the ridiculous level is reached.
--Bob
StevenG wrote:
I recently purchased an iMac computer (my MacBook Pro died). At the same time I purchased the Adobe Lr/PS monthly package. I previously used Lr 5 and PS CS6). All of my photos from here on out are being stored on a 4 TB external drive. There are no photos on my computer's hard drive. (My old photos from Lr 5 were "updated" to work with my subscription Lr CC. So when I open Lr CC, I just select which Lr drive I want to open.) All of my photos from Lr 5 and Lr CC are backed up on another 4 TB hard drive which I am using for Time Machine. Finally, my computer's data and the external hard drives are backed up to the cloud. (I purchased a subscription to Backblaze.)

So to summarize: 1 All photos are maintained on a 4 TB external hard drive. 2. All photos are backed up on 4TB Time Machine. 3. All photos are backed up to the cloud.

Here is my question: Is this backup system sufficient, or should I use another 4TB hard drive to back up my photos (or is this overkill)?

This is the system I am planning to stick with, so it would not be helpful at this point to hear that this is a terrible backup system or that you do it differently. I know everyone has their own system. I just want to know if I am good as is, or if Ishould use another external drive for additional backup.
Thanks.
Steve
I recently purchased an iMac computer (my MacBook ... (show quote)

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Oct 10, 2018 09:24:40   #
Picture Taker Loc: Michigan Thumb
 
Only one suggestion I have is get a 2nd external drive and put ALL your pictures on both. I lost a drive years ago and now have them on two drives so if one goes you still have your pictures.

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Oct 10, 2018 09:29:21   #
bpulv Loc: Buena Park, CA
 
jak86094 wrote:
The one thing I would suggest is to have a copy offsite...so if that is the Time Machine backup, that would work. You could give it to a family member or keep it at the office so that if your house was destroyed by fire, hurricane, etc. you wouldn't lose everything. Just Bring that drive home for backup of the main 4 TB HD once a week or every other day, then move it out of the house (e.g., to your car) til you return to the office. The other suggestion would be to have a backup on a different medium, i.e., other than a spinning HD. Could be the Cloud or a backup service. Just ideas I've heard discussed by those who should know. Good luck.
The one thing I would suggest is to have a copy of... (show quote)


Backblaze is a cloud backup service.

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Oct 10, 2018 09:33:02   #
bpulv Loc: Buena Park, CA
 
chrissybabe wrote:
System sounds good. However picture this -
Earthquake - internet is down at least at your place (or maybe not at your place but definitely power outage at several locations between you and the online storage), Time Machine out because something hit it (or a power surge took it out as the mains wires crossed somewhere), and the portable HDD fall on the floor.
Unlikely ? No, I have seen it (or its equivalent).
So maybe you should add another portable 4TB and keep it off site (not at your place) preferably 200 miles away (and not once a year but as often as you can).
System sounds good. However picture this - br Eart... (show quote)


Rather than 200 miles away, he could do what I do. I rotate two of the backup drives in my RAID between my home and my safe deposit box at the bank. Even if the bank itself is destroyed, the safe and deposit boxes will survive.

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Oct 10, 2018 09:36:43   #
DirtFarmer Loc: Escaped from the NYC area, back to MA
 
bpulv wrote:
Rather than 200 miles away, he could do what I do. I rotate two of the backup drives in my RAID between my home and my safe deposit box at the bank. Even if the bank itself is destroyed, the safe and deposit boxes will survive.


Assuming the safe and deposit boxes can be located after a disaster, what is the likelihood that the drive will be usable after an unspecified time in salt water?
Safe deposit boxes are safe from ORDINARY disasters.

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Oct 10, 2018 09:44:33   #
bpulv Loc: Buena Park, CA
 
StevenG wrote:
I recently purchased an iMac computer (my MacBook Pro died). At the same time I purchased the Adobe Lr/PS monthly package. I previously used Lr 5 and PS CS6). All of my photos from here on out are being stored on a 4 TB external drive. There are no photos on my computer's hard drive. (My old photos from Lr 5 were "updated" to work with my subscription Lr CC. So when I open Lr CC, I just select which Lr drive I want to open.) All of my photos from Lr 5 and Lr CC are backed up on another 4 TB hard drive which I am using for Time Machine. Finally, my computer's data and the external hard drives are backed up to the cloud. (I purchased a subscription to Backblaze.)

So to summarize: 1 All photos are maintained on a 4 TB external hard drive. 2. All photos are backed up on 4TB Time Machine. 3. All photos are backed up to the cloud.

Here is my question: Is this backup system sufficient, or should I use another 4TB hard drive to back up my photos (or is this overkill)?

This is the system I am planning to stick with, so it would not be helpful at this point to hear that this is a terrible backup system or that you do it differently. I know everyone has their own system. I just want to know if I am good as is, or if Ishould use another external drive for additional backup.
Thanks.
Steve
I recently purchased an iMac computer (my MacBook ... (show quote)


One other thing you could do Steve is to buy a UPS (Uninterruptible Power Supply) sized for your computer and hard drives. It is not necessary for your printer or other peripherals that can be attached to a power strip with surge protectors. So by calculating the wattage of your computer and hard drives you can buy a smaller UPS and save money as opposed to buying one that has the capacity to protect everything. That way you will not lose power and possibly data if the power mains fail and if there is a voltage spike or surge, everything will be protected. If you live in a lightning area, proper grounding is also required.

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Oct 10, 2018 10:06:18   #
WDT52 Loc: Sarasota, FL
 
I was in the data protection business for 15+ years. Our saying was 3-2-1: 3 copies of data on 2 different media with 1 off site. You have it covered! As Traderjohn said, if you have to worry about earthquakes and no internet, you have far bigger problems than retrieving your pictures.

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Oct 10, 2018 10:07:16   #
bpulv Loc: Buena Park, CA
 
DirtFarmer wrote:
Assuming the safe and deposit boxes can be located after a disaster, what is the likelihood that the drive will be usable after an unspecified time in salt water?
Safe deposit boxes are safe from ORDINARY disasters.


Where I live I am 75 feet above sea level. If the bank is inundated by salt water, I would have more to worry about then my photographs. However, bank vaults a fully sealed and salt water would not be a problem. If you are concerned, I would ask for a box located higher up on the vault's wall.

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Oct 10, 2018 10:09:06   #
juan_uy Loc: Uruguay
 
The only reason for the additional external drive that you are considering would be if restore from cloud would take too much time for your needs.
I do that, but because for me restore from the cloud would be the final option. Other than that I think you are OK.

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Oct 10, 2018 10:19:56   #
DirtFarmer Loc: Escaped from the NYC area, back to MA
 
bpulv wrote:
Where I live I am 75 feet above sea level. If the bank is inundated by salt water, I would have more to worry about then my photographs. However, bank vaults a fully sealed and salt water would not be a problem. If you are concerned, I would ask for a box located higher up on the vault's wall.


"When it comes to backup you can't be too paranoid."

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Oct 10, 2018 10:40:15   #
Picture Taker Loc: Michigan Thumb
 
No not too paranoid but if you lose a drive you better have it on another drive. As I said earlier I lost a drive about ten years ago. PS if you have it on a solid stat drive and it goes you have 0 % chance of getting it back.

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Oct 10, 2018 12:30:02   #
PeterBergh
 
abc1234 wrote:
I do not know what NAS is ...


Network Attached Storage

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Oct 10, 2018 13:10:05   #
chrissybabe Loc: New Zealand
 
For all those who have commented about having more to worry about in an earthquake than worrying about photograph backups let me point out a couple of things -
1. So you have spent $20-40,000 on equipment over the years, invested $200,000 on time and holidays etc taking the photos and you couldn't care less about trying to save them ? On the day of the quake (tsunami, fire, civil unrest - you name it) you might not be worrying about it but you will later once things settle down. And if you are never going to worry about it at all then why are you even bothering to take a single backup now ???
2. There are a huge number of things wrong with online backups and none of them are under YOUR control. For starters do you think data centers have some sort of earthquake protection that you don't ? Are their generators capable of running for months in the event of major power outages ? (You might be able to reroute power distribution but very hard to replace a dam overnight). And have you stopped to consider just how hard it will be to retrieve your data when 200,000 people are all trying to do the same thing ? Your piddling photos will be the last thing on everybodys mind as they try to restore companies data as the companies are trying to rebuild. Maybe the data can be retrieved but it will be months before the priorities shift in your favour. And as you are busy taking photos of the disaster where will you back them up to ?
My offsite storage is my daughters place 80km away. I see her at least once a month so this works for me.
And I have been in a major earthquake and had to help some companies recover. It was messy and traumatic for everyone. You don't need to add to the stress with worrying about whether you will lose decades of work and the invested time/money.

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Oct 10, 2018 14:49:56   #
MrGNY Loc: New York
 
StevenG wrote:
I recently purchased an iMac computer (my MacBook Pro died). At the same time I purchased the Adobe Lr/PS monthly package. I previously used Lr 5 and PS CS6). All of my photos from here on out are being stored on a 4 TB external drive. There are no photos on my computer's hard drive. (My old photos from Lr 5 were "updated" to work with my subscription Lr CC. So when I open Lr CC, I just select which Lr drive I want to open.) All of my photos from Lr 5 and Lr CC are backed up on another 4 TB hard drive which I am using for Time Machine. Finally, my computer's data and the external hard drives are backed up to the cloud. (I purchased a subscription to Backblaze.)

So to summarize: 1 All photos are maintained on a 4 TB external hard drive. 2. All photos are backed up on 4TB Time Machine. 3. All photos are backed up to the cloud.

Here is my question: Is this backup system sufficient, or should I use another 4TB hard drive to back up my photos (or is this overkill)?

This is the system I am planning to stick with, so it would not be helpful at this point to hear that this is a terrible backup system or that you do it differently. I know everyone has their own system. I just want to know if I am good as is, or if Ishould use another external drive for additional backup.
Thanks.
Steve
I recently purchased an iMac computer (my MacBook ... (show quote)


Your backup is more than adequate. Your photos and your other files are being backed up redundantly.

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