Why is everyone so afraid? (Page 4): Nice to hear...thanks! I appreciate it. I'm probably going to unwatch...I've said what I had to say.

rpavich Loc: West Virginia

Steven Seward wrote:

R Pavich, great replies! The system would not let me quote your entire posts because you have alternating quotes within the post, but keep it up.

Nice to hear...thanks!

I appreciate it. I'm probably going to unwatch...I've said what I had to say.

Steven Seward Loc: Cleveland, Ohio

lesdmd wrote:

More important, and what you completely ignore, sexual identity falls across a spectrum. “Men” and “women” often act, and prefer to appear, in ways that don’t coincide with the ways their sexual apparatus appears.

Is this one of those precepts from the Party of Science? Yes, this might be true for less than 1% of the population, but for the other 99% there is no spectrum, period. A man acting like a woman or a woman acting like a man is no more true than me acting like I am king of the Universe.

lesdmd Loc: Middleton Wi via N.Y.C. & Cleveland

Sorry to disappoint you, but I will reply because your very definition of "truth" is corrupted.

"...re-define truth..then fine but you won't be able to sustain that..." I base my truth on Science and observation. If seems yours is based on religious dogma. Various cultures have contained members who have dressed and acted contrary to convention, in ways that would make it difficult to label them male or female. At times this is/was acceptable. You might label it "perversion" or something that your god would not endorse, but history would say otherwise.

"There are males, females and some are born with deviations however that didn't address my point. My point was that you don't get to choose your sex" You don't get to choose your sexual characteristics. How should the hemaphrodites reconcile what they are born with? They are neither male nor female by your definition. They have to choose one or the other. And there are people who say that they can not reconcile their more definitive sexual appearance with who they believe themselves to be. However you describe these people (confused, delusional, flat out wrong,) they are operating from deeply felt feelings that cannot be legislated or psychologically counseled out of existence. We can either help them become fully happy functioning human beings, or force them into a stereotype that they will suffer over.

" There is no such thing as "sexual identity" That's a made up concept. Wikipedia and numerous other sources would disagree. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_identity And what would the point be of making up such an idea? Assuming a different gender identity is a difficult, painful, and financially and emotionally expensive.

"You have drank the Kool-aid." No, I have just moved along with current knowledge and research.

"You confuse actions with biology". No, your definition of biology is too narrow Even on a genetic level there are more than two sexes. Regardless, I started all this because you seem to care that that might be the case. My point is/was that being tolerant of the way people act (within limits) makes for a healthier society; and that under no circumstance is it helpful to use an arbitrary binary definition of "male and female" to then claim a superior knowledge of the truth and morality.

"folks don't care about what's truth or not..just what they feel." I do care about what people feel because it is even more difficult to change feeling than it is to alter the truth. If I hated my wife (I do not), having a long line of people line up and tell me I am wrong to do so would have little to no effect. Your problem, in this case, is that you perceive only your truth and then do not care what that imposes on others feelings.

"...you don't care what is true" ad hominem attacks are often wrong, unconvincing, and flat out stupid.

polonois Loc: Lancaster County,PA.

Steven Seward wrote:

R Pavich, great replies! The system would not let me quote your entire posts because you have alternating quotes within the post, but keep it up.

I agree, the truth is important unfortunately many today are unable to see it.

thom w Loc: San Jose, CA

rpavich wrote:

Thanks for the excellent illustration of his point... (show quote)

I'm glad your God helps you, but calling your belief in God "objective truth" is to misuse language.

Steven Seward Loc: Cleveland, Ohio

lesdmd wrote:

Sorry to disappoint you, but I will reply because your very definition of "truth" is corrupted.

"...re-define truth..then fine but you won't be able to sustain that..." I base my truth on Science and observation. If seems yours is based on religious dogma. Various cultures have contained members who have dressed and acted contrary to convention, in ways that would make it difficult to label them male or female. At times this is/was acceptable. You might label it "perversion" or something that your god would not endorse, but history would say otherwise.

"There are males, females and some are born with deviations however that didn't address my point. My point was that you don't get to choose your sex" You don't get to choose your sexual characteristics. How should the hemaphrodites reconcile what they are born with? They are neither male nor female by your definition. They have to choose one or the other. And there are people who say that they can not reconcile their more definitive sexual appearance with who they believe themselves to be. However you describe these people (confused, delusional, flat out wrong,) they are operating from deeply felt feelings that cannot be legislated or psychologically counseled out of existence. We can either help them become fully happy functioning human beings, or force them into a stereotype that they will suffer over.

" There is no such thing as "sexual identity" That's a made up concept. Wikipedia and numerous other sources would disagree. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_identity And what would the point be of making up such an idea? Assuming a different gender identity is a difficult, painful, and financially and emotionally expensive.

"You have drank the Kool-aid." No, I have just moved along with current knowledge and research.

"You confuse actions with biology". No, your definition of biology is too narrow Even on a genetic level there are more than two sexes. Regardless, I started all this because you seem to care that that might be the case. My point is/was that being tolerant of the way people act (within limits) makes for a healthier society; and that under no circumstance is it helpful to use an arbitrary binary definition of "male and female" to then claim a superior knowledge of the truth and morality.

"folks don't care about what's truth or not..just what they feel." I do care about what people feel because it is even more difficult to change feeling than it is to alter the truth. If I hated my wife (I do not), having a long line of people line up and tell me I am wrong to do so would have little to no effect. Your problem, in this case, is that you perceive only your truth and then do not care what that imposes on others feelings.

"...you don't care what is true" ad hominem attacks are often wrong, unconvincing, and flat out stupid.

Sorry to disappoint you, but I will reply because ... (show quote)

You sound like one of those people who thinks they can just "pretend" to be anything they want to be. That is all well and good, and if it makes you happy, so be it. But the rest of us do not have to go along with your pretense. If I pretended that I am a master and you are a slave, would you go along with my pretense?

Stan W. Loc: Tampa, Fl

Architect1776 wrote:

There is absolutely no hate in the President's ral... (show quote)

I see many stupid conservatives (whatever that means). Many showed up in Charlottesville looking like Nazi's.

lesdmd Loc: Middleton Wi via N.Y.C. & Cleveland

Steven Seward wrote:

You sound like one of those people who thinks they can just "pretend" to be anything they want to be. That is all well and good, and if it makes you happy, so be it. But the rest of us do not have to go along with your pretense. If I pretended that I am a master and you are a slave, would you go along with my pretense?

Poor analogy. Obligating me to assume the role of a slave is nothing like asking me to accept someone who believes his or her external appearance is not the same as his or her mental outlook.

lesdmd Loc: Middleton Wi via N.Y.C. & Cleveland

polonois wrote:

I agree, the truth is important unfortunately many today are unable to see it.

Whose truth? I will accept some biblical absolutes on morality if you will acknowledge the validity of many scientific studies.

Twardlow Loc: Arkansas

fotoman150 wrote:

The tv has got people so afraid of each other you can’t be friendly anymore. Especially to women. I don’t think it’s because the world is more dangerous than before. FBI statistics show that in the US violent crime especially rape has declined.

I think the news has to scare people to get them to watch so they can sell you ten of what you already have so they can put food on the table for their families. The competition is fierce so they don’t check their facts well before publishing and have to retract stories all the time.

Tv shows are full of liberal BS in the story lines of the evening comedy and variety shows. I disconnected the tv. I have 7 in the house and none of them have programming any more

Facebook has 50 choices of gender one of which is “demi boy” WTF?

People are afraid of their own shadow. You can’t be friendly to women anymore they will either ignore you out of fear or accuse you of something sexual as a weapon so they can’t be trusted. I have sworn off women.

By the time a woman gets my age 50s she is damaged beyond repair. My girlfriend left me because I didn’t make enough money for her. She actually said that. I told her she wasn’t that attractive and that rich men want attractive women. I was willing to love her for her spirit not her body. I had kept that to myself for a long time. Then she kept complaining about all these things about me and I told her there were some things I didn’t like about her but I overlooked them. She demanded to know what they were and I told her her body was not attractive. Then she wouldn’t undress in front of me. I felt bad but she kept putting me down to our therapist. I feel like the things I don’t like about her are minor annoyances and not worth ending the relationship. She decided to leave me and that’s when I told her I didn’t like some things about her either.

There is this woman in the restaurant where I am seated now having breakfast. She is a member of a group of elderly people that come to socialize. I spoke to her a few times out of friendliness just as I spoke to several members of the group. They are outside my age range but I like to make friends. Next time I spoke to her we were the only ones here and she turned her chair so her back was to me so I wouldn’t speak to her. So today I am ignoring her so she doesn’t freak out.

I hate the way society has evolved.

The tv has got people so afraid of each other you ... (show quote)

Truly disgusting post! Try to join humanity. You can be friendly with any woman if you don’t try to take her clothes off or join in a gang rape.

Nice touch telling your girlfriend she isn’t attractive. It’s a good thing you swore off women because they sure as hell ought to swear off of you.

You’re lucky (though the rest of humanity isn’t) that she didn’t poison your coffee.

I’m certainly not a women, but what you say frightens me!

It’s a wonder you lasted this long.

Twardlow Loc: Arkansas

rpavich wrote:

I've said it 1000 times and I'll say it again...once we've abandoned the ONLY moral yardstick there is (God's) then whatever we do can be justified and normalized. Saying that something is "wrong" becomes a matter of one person's opinion over another's.

The ONLY thing that gives a Christian comfort is that he/she knows that God is still on the throne and is working His will out in the world.

Oh, yes, God, the source of TB, Polio, AIDS and much, much more. Some comfort that is.

Steven Seward Loc: Cleveland, Ohio

lesdmd wrote:

Poor analogy. Obligating me to assume the role of a slave is nothing like asking me to accept someone who believes his or her external appearance is not the same as his or her mental outlook.

Okay, how about I pretend that I am the President of the United States. Will you then address me from now on as "Mr. President?"

lesdmd Loc: Middleton Wi via N.Y.C. & Cleveland

fotoman150 wrote:

I knew someone would say that. I have only recently come to this conclusion after the lady in the restaurant acted so scared and my girlfriend left. I was a a very positive outgoing person but I have learned that all men are potential child molesters and rapists until proven otherwise. Makes me sick.

It’s all about the wrongs done to you. You see the results but come to the wrong conclusions.

fotoman150

Twardlow wrote:

Truly disgusting post! Try to join humanity. You... (show quote)

See! You think just because I’m a man I want to take a woman’s clothes off or gang rape her! As if all men are prone to that behavior. You make me want to throw up.

To quote Monty Python, “That’s exactly the kind of pig ignorance I expect from you non- creative garbage.”

Yeah well nice touch her telling me she wants to leave me because I don’t make enough money. I withheld the information until she insisted I tell her some of the things I don’t like about her. I don’t love her for her body. The relationship was over anyway.

I don’t drink coffee but thanks for the well-wishes.

Feminism has ruined relationships. I had a woman tell me that about a month ago. She was trying to console me but said she wasn’t interested in dating a man at this time. She wanted her freedom.

You can go play in the traffic my liberal friend.

lesdmd Loc: Middleton Wi via N.Y.C. & Cleveland

Steven Seward wrote:

Is this one of those precepts from the Party of Science? Yes, this might be true for less than 1% of the population, but for the other 99% there is no spectrum, period. A man acting like a woman or a woman acting like a man is no more true than me acting like I am king of the Universe.

You are just full of poor analogies; and poor research. No human rationally believes, or is believed, to be king of the universe. Many people are driven to depression having to assume the charicature of the “manly man” or the “feminine woman” imposed on them by people like you. And they are not acting. What harm comes to you by tolerating, even accepting these people? Why not spare people pain when possible?