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Sep 17, 2018 10:23:38   #
feathermaster
 
I call it lunch

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Sep 17, 2018 10:53:32   #
AndyH Loc: Massachusetts and New Hampshire
 
MikeMck wrote:
From Brookline, MA, it’s a sub!!


It's interesting that the "grinder zone" never seemed to include the immediate Boston area, even when I was a kid. "Sub" has become the generic, bland word these days, but I remember seeing signs for "subs" in Boston and Brookline as long ago as the 1950s.

Andy

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Sep 17, 2018 10:53:40   #
John_F Loc: Minneapolis, MN
 
Log - 2 varieties, with or without leaves (must mean lettuce).

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Sep 17, 2018 10:54:41   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
John_F wrote:
Log - 2 varieties, with or without leaves (must mean lettuce).


That's a new one.

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Sep 17, 2018 11:20:35   #
AndyH Loc: Massachusetts and New Hampshire
 
Rich2236 wrote:
As a young man in New York City, we would call them a hero sandwich. I remember a small Italian grocery on the corner of 23rd st and 1st avenue that made the best hero's. Meat, (different kinds) cheese, oil, mustard, and sweet peppers...and we would walk to the east river and sit and watch the boats while eating. Oh, and drinking bottle of creme soda, root beer or even a bottle of Ballantine ale. (Drinking age in New York at that time was 18.)
Rich...


kschwegl wrote:
Hero of course, New York here!


jerryc41 wrote:
"Hero" on Long Island, where I was raised, but "Sub" here, a hundred miles north.

I'm also fascinated by language and accents. I find it interesting that everyone who is raised in, let's say Italy, and then learns English, sounds just like the other Italians who have learned English.


So there are two different origin stories for a "hero" sandwich, both of which are kind of fun.

First, of course, is that they were so big you had to be a "hero" to eat the whole thing. Seems kind of a low bar for heroism, but what the heck - maybe heroes were bigger a century ago!

The second story is that the name was derived from a Greek "Gyro", sandwich. If you're not from an area where they're popular, you might not know that the name is not pronounced as in "Gyroscope" or "Gyrocopter" but with a long e sound and a kind of cross between a hard G and an H at the end - sort of like "Gheeroe". That's a pretty short path to "Hero".

Andy

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Sep 17, 2018 11:22:15   #
AndyH Loc: Massachusetts and New Hampshire
 
John N wrote:
A 'sarnie' over here (U.K.) is just a shortened form of sandwich - as in a bacon sarnie, for example. Be interested to know when it changed over there.


I've also heard "Long sammie" from British friends. I'm guessing that in colloquial British, there's no difference at all between a Sarnie and a Sammie?

Andy

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Sep 17, 2018 11:23:21   #
AndyH Loc: Massachusetts and New Hampshire
 
Orson Burleigh wrote:
Bánh Mì - Vietnam (Made on a baguette - this must be fusion cuisine )


Yup. Very popular everywhere these days. Wait until we see a new "Banh Mi Way" opening up!

Andy

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Sep 17, 2018 11:25:26   #
AndyH Loc: Massachusetts and New Hampshire
 
John_F wrote:
Log - 2 varieties, with or without leaves (must mean lettuce).


That is a totally new one to me as well. When I think of Log, food is not the first thing that comes to mind. But then, with Juicy Lucy's, the Cities are not new to unique food names!

Andy

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Sep 17, 2018 11:28:17   #
AndyH Loc: Massachusetts and New Hampshire
 
olemikey wrote:
Andy - I think you covered most all the forms I've heard. I'll add: Philly (Cheese steak), Wreck, Bench Girl, Sinatra Special, Something Else, Stoners Delight, Highnooner, The Grandpa, some of these can be made in several styles, long roll, sandwich bread, round rolls, wraps, etc..... I've seen (in ethnic neighborhoods) many sandwiches with their own touch, names... all over the chart. Great subject, and now I'm wanting one, just gotta figure out which one!!!! Each section of the country will probably come online with additions.
Andy - I think you covered most all the forms I've... (show quote)


Okay, Mikey - you've broken the record! I've heard some of those as the name for a particular style of sandwich, but "Bench Girl", Stoner's Delight, and High Nooner are completely new. A lot of "grinder" places had a Sinatra Special on the menu - it meant a sandwich of primarily Italian cold cuts and cheeses.

Andy

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Sep 17, 2018 11:35:54   #
AndyH Loc: Massachusetts and New Hampshire
 
1Feathercrest wrote:
"Hoagie" named after famed songwriter/pianist/singer "Hoagie" Carmichael (composer of "Stardust").


That's what I had always thought, too. However Hoagy Carmichael had no special ties to Philadelphia, or sandwiches for that matter. I've always thought it had to do with the Hog Island shipfitters and ironworkers. Wiki has this to say:

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The term hoagie originated in the Philadelphia area. The Philadelphia Bulletin reported, in 1953, that Italians working at the World War I–era shipyard in Philadelphia known as Hog Island, where emergency shipping was produced for the war effort, introduced the sandwich by putting various meats, cheeses, and lettuce between two slices of bread.[citation needed] This became known as the "Hog Island" sandwich; shortened to "Hoggies", then the "hoagie".

The Philadelphia Almanac and Citizen's Manual offers a different explanation, that the sandwich was created by early-twentieth-century street vendors called "hokey-pokey men", who sold antipasto salad, meats, cookies and buns with a cut in them. When Gilbert and Sullivan's operetta H.M.S. Pinafore opened in Philadelphia in 1879, bakeries produced a long loaf called the pinafore. Entrepreneurial "hokey-pokey men" sliced the loaf in half, stuffed it with antipasto salad, and sold the world's first "hoagie".[10]

Another explanation is that the word "hoagie" arose in the late 19th to early 20th century, among the Italian community in South Philadelphia, when "on the hoke" was a slang term used to describe a destitute person. Deli owners would give away scraps of cheeses and meats in an Italian bread-roll known as a "hokie", but the Italian immigrants pronounced it "hoagie".[3]

Shortly after World War II, there were numerous varieties of the term in use throughout Philadelphia. By the 1940s, the spellings "hoagie" and, to a lesser extent, "hoagy" had come to dominate less used variations like "hoogie" and "hoggie".[11] By 1955, restaurants throughout the area were using the term "hoagie". Listings in Pittsburgh show hoagies arriving in 1961 and becoming widespread in that city by 1966.[11]
The term hoagie originated in the Philadelphia are... (show quote)


Andy

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Sep 17, 2018 11:41:36   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
AndyH wrote:
So there are two different origin stories for a "hero" sandwich, both of which are kind of fun.

First, of course, is that they were so big you had to be a "hero" to eat the whole thing. Seems kind of a low bar for heroism, but what the heck - maybe heroes were bigger a century ago!

The second story is that the name was derived from a Greek "Gyro", sandwich. If you're not from an area where they're popular, you might not know that the name is not pronounced as in "Gyroscope" or "Gyrocopter" but with a long e sound and a kind of cross between a hard G and an H at the end - sort of like "Gheeroe". That's a pretty short path to "Hero".

Andy
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I've seen them called gyros also, but to me a gyro is a Greek sandwich with a totally different meat and tzatziki sauce, among other things.

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Sep 17, 2018 11:45:59   #
Jim Plogger Loc: East Tennessee
 
Longshadow wrote:
I've seen them called gyros also, but to me a gyro is a Greek sandwich with a totally different meat and tzatziki sauce, among other things.



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Sep 17, 2018 11:56:29   #
AndyH Loc: Massachusetts and New Hampshire
 
Longshadow wrote:
I've seen them called gyros also, but to me a gyro is a Greek sandwich with a totally different meat and tzatziki sauce, among other things.


Yes. A Gyro is a totally different thing - the origin story is that non-Greek sandwich shops, delis, and markets began making long sandwiches and the name "hero" fell into general use as a mispronounced version of Gyro. It's unlikely, because real Greek gyros were virtually unknown until the late 50s and 60s in the US, and "hero" is of much earlier origin. I'm more inclined to believe the "you have to be a hero to finish one" explanation. Here's a link to the earliest use of the term - it's a New Yawk thing... Blogger Barry Popik gives Dagwood as a name for a long sandwich, but I always thought of a Dagwood as being served on regular bread, just piled very high, like Dagwood used to eat in the comic Blondie.

https://www.barrypopik.com/index.php/new_york_city/entry/hero_sandwich/


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The long list of the names of sandwiches served on long rolls includes blimpie, bomber, Cuban (medianoche), Dagwood, garibaldi, gondola, grinder, hoagie, Italian, jawbreaker, muffuletta, peacemaker (La Mediatrice), pilgrim, pistolette, po' boy (poor boy), rocket, skyscraper, spiedie, spucky (spuckie, spukie), submarine (sub), torpedo, torta (Mexican po' boy), wedge and zeppelin (zep).


I'd never heard "Bomber", "Rocket", or "Pilgrim" before....

Andy

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Sep 17, 2018 11:57:17   #
Bridges Loc: Memphis, Charleston SC, now Nazareth PA
 
Here in PA we think of Philly Cheese Steak sandwich in those terms. While it is limited to thinly sliced meat or ground beef as the meat base topped with just about anything from cheese (mandatory), hot peppers, banana peppers, onions, lettuce, tomatoes, salsa, mayo, etc. Others on the list are just as specific: If you ask for an Italian, you would expect salami, pepperoni, spicy ham, etc.

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Sep 17, 2018 12:07:09   #
AndyH Loc: Massachusetts and New Hampshire
 
Bridges wrote:
Here in PA we think of Philly Cheese Steak sandwich in those terms. While it is limited to thinly sliced meat or ground beef as the meat base topped with just about anything from cheese (mandatory), hot peppers, banana peppers, onions, lettuce, tomatoes, salsa, mayo, etc. Others on the list are just as specific: If you ask for an Italian, you would expect salami, pepperoni, spicy ham, etc.


North of Boston, along the Downeast shore, if you ask for an "Italian" you are getting a long sandwich (unlike interior New England, where it's pretty much universally a "grinder"), but it doesn't necessarily include any salami, mozzarella, or capicolla.

"What kind of Italian you want?"
"What do you have?"
"We got turkey, roast beef, ham, and Italian Italians…"

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