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Aug 9, 2012 21:26:04   #
CaptainC Loc: Colorado, south of Denver
 
toptrainer wrote:
OK, here is a picture of my wife. with a lokey
Festina Lente wrote:
toptrainer wrote:
OK thank you for the history lesson :-) but, I still need to know what light to buy. Does anybody know what I should get?
Sure!! That part is easy!
Get at least two Einsteins with all accessories, plus 2 light stands and large umbrella diffusers. I'll even let you borrow mine. The Einsteins are the best out there IMO.
See: http://www.paulcbuff.com/e640.php

But unless you first learn the basics using what you equipment have, you will just be wasting some really great equipment (and a couple grand).

Master one light, then slowly add lights one by one. Practice with ad hoc diffusers, they can dramatically affect the quality of light. Try various reflectors also (cheap and effective for several different looks).

Then post the images(s) you like best along with a diagram of your light setup in order to get the most useful suggestions from the most experienced UHHers.
We all benefit from that!!

If you do this, you will have learned far more than you can by reading this banter (CaptainC's suggestions exempted).

Heck, do it right and you may even get CaptainC to sing like Barry White. That's something we would all appreciate! :roll:
quote=toptrainer OK thank you for the history les... (show quote)
OK, here is a picture of my wife. with a lokey ... (show quote)


Let's ignore for the moment that we could add a separation light for her hair against the dark background. This does come across as underexposed, but if shot raw would be very correctable.

This is really nice for a one-light portrait and I can easily accept the merging of her hair into the background as an artistic choice.

I think the light is well-positioned off to camera right, but maybe a bit too low. In a classic lighting style, that nose shadow would fall down very close (or even touching) the right corner of her mouth. It is called loop lighting or closed loop lighting respectively.

I want to know your light source. Umbrella? Shoot through umbrella? softbox? It is hard to make suggestions without knowing the DETAILS.

I would like to see exactly the same image shot with your light source really close to the subject. Close as in JUST outside the frame. That would make the light a bit softer.

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Aug 9, 2012 22:22:03   #
toptrainer Loc: Wellington
 
ok, f/6.3 1/250s iso 100 28-135@100mm I used flash at camera right and a light behind her camera left.
CaptainC wrote:
toptrainer wrote:
OK, here is a picture of my wife. with a lokey
Festina Lente wrote:
toptrainer wrote:
OK thank you for the history lesson :-) but, I still need to know what light to buy. Does anybody know what I should get?
Sure!! That part is easy!
Get at least two Einsteins with all accessories, plus 2 light stands and large umbrella diffusers. I'll even let you borrow mine. The Einsteins are the best out there IMO.
See: http://www.paulcbuff.com/e640.php

But unless you first learn the basics using what you equipment have, you will just be wasting some really great equipment (and a couple grand).

Master one light, then slowly add lights one by one. Practice with ad hoc diffusers, they can dramatically affect the quality of light. Try various reflectors also (cheap and effective for several different looks).

Then post the images(s) you like best along with a diagram of your light setup in order to get the most useful suggestions from the most experienced UHHers.
We all benefit from that!!

If you do this, you will have learned far more than you can by reading this banter (CaptainC's suggestions exempted).

Heck, do it right and you may even get CaptainC to sing like Barry White. That's something we would all appreciate! :roll:
quote=toptrainer OK thank you for the history les... (show quote)
OK, here is a picture of my wife. with a lokey ... (show quote)


Let's ignore for the moment that we could add a separation light for her hair against the dark background. This does come across as underexposed, but if shot raw would be very correctable.

This is really nice for a one-light portrait and I can easily accept the merging of her hair into the background as an artistic choice.

I think the light is well-positioned off to camera right, but maybe a bit too low. In a classic lighting style, that nose shadow would fall down very close (or even touching) the right corner of her mouth. It is called loop lighting or closed loop lighting respectively.

I want to know your light source. Umbrella? Shoot through umbrella? softbox? It is hard to make suggestions without knowing the DETAILS.

I would like to see exactly the same image shot with your light source really close to the subject. Close as in JUST outside the frame. That would make the light a bit softer.
quote=toptrainer OK, here is a picture of my wife... (show quote)

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Aug 9, 2012 23:02:17   #
CaptainC Loc: Colorado, south of Denver
 
toptrainer wrote:
ok, f/6.3 1/250s iso 100 28-135@100mm I used flash at camera right and a light behind her camera left.
CaptainC wrote:
toptrainer wrote:
OK, here is a picture of my wife. with a lokey
Festina Lente wrote:
toptrainer wrote:
OK thank you for the history lesson :-) but, I still need to know what light to buy. Does anybody know what I should get?
Sure!! That part is easy!
Get at least two Einsteins with all accessories, plus 2 light stands and large umbrella diffusers. I'll even let you borrow mine. The Einsteins are the best out there IMO.
See: http://www.paulcbuff.com/e640.php

But unless you first learn the basics using what you equipment have, you will just be wasting some really great equipment (and a couple grand).

Master one light, then slowly add lights one by one. Practice with ad hoc diffusers, they can dramatically affect the quality of light. Try various reflectors also (cheap and effective for several different looks).

Then post the images(s) you like best along with a diagram of your light setup in order to get the most useful suggestions from the most experienced UHHers.
We all benefit from that!!

If you do this, you will have learned far more than you can by reading this banter (CaptainC's suggestions exempted).

Heck, do it right and you may even get CaptainC to sing like Barry White. That's something we would all appreciate! :roll:
quote=toptrainer OK thank you for the history les... (show quote)
OK, here is a picture of my wife. with a lokey ... (show quote)


Let's ignore for the moment that we could add a separation light for her hair against the dark background. This does come across as underexposed, but if shot raw would be very correctable.

This is really nice for a one-light portrait and I can easily accept the merging of her hair into the background as an artistic choice.

I think the light is well-positioned off to camera right, but maybe a bit too low. In a classic lighting style, that nose shadow would fall down very close (or even touching) the right corner of her mouth. It is called loop lighting or closed loop lighting respectively.

I want to know your light source. Umbrella? Shoot through umbrella? softbox? It is hard to make suggestions without knowing the DETAILS.

I would like to see exactly the same image shot with your light source really close to the subject. Close as in JUST outside the frame. That would make the light a bit softer.
quote=toptrainer OK, here is a picture of my wife... (show quote)
ok, f/6.3 1/250s iso 100 28-135@100mm I used flash... (show quote)


Is the flash bare? into an umbrella? The camera left light is not doing a thing, so that needs to be turned up - or moved closer.

You are mixing a flash and a "light." Is the flash in manual or TTL? What brand is the flash? Where is this light aimed?

I'm sorry, the problem is you don't know enough to even know what information we need to help you. It is like pulling teeth. I asked for details. I need to know what modifiers you are using, how close is the light? Can you control the light output?

I know you cannot afford a meter, but that is what you need. Until then, you are flailing without the tools you need. It looks like your flash is way more powerful than this light you refer to. How you can balance those without a meter is by using one at a time and seeing what exposure you need to get a decent image.

If mixing continuous and flash you have a problem of the shutter and aperture affecting the continuous light, but ONLY aperture affecting the flash.

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Aug 10, 2012 16:21:39   #
toptrainer Loc: Wellington
 
Ok, I know you needed more info but as photography, typing is not my strong point. I started with a black backdrop and my wife in a fairly large room in my house with high vaulted ceilings. I used a 16 inch umbrella black outside, silver inside. a 5500 lumes light bulb and placed it about a foot away from her head just above her and slightly to the back of her on camera left. The flash is a 4300ex ii shot through an umbrella placed about 2 feet away from her on camera right set at manual and 1/2 - 1/4 power. That was placed about face level. I told you the settings of the camera, and I think that is all you need to know. Thank you, and sorry for my lack of knowledge but, that is why this forum is here.
CaptainC wrote:
toptrainer wrote:
ok, f/6.3 1/250s iso 100 28-135@100mm I used flash at camera right and a light behind her camera left.
CaptainC wrote:
toptrainer wrote:
OK, here is a picture of my wife. with a lokey
Festina Lente wrote:
toptrainer wrote:
OK thank you for the history lesson :-) but, I still need to know what light to buy. Does anybody know what I should get?
Sure!! That part is easy!
Get at least two Einsteins with all accessories, plus 2 light stands and large umbrella diffusers. I'll even let you borrow mine. The Einsteins are the best out there IMO.
See: http://www.paulcbuff.com/e640.php

But unless you first learn the basics using what you equipment have, you will just be wasting some really great equipment (and a couple grand).

Master one light, then slowly add lights one by one. Practice with ad hoc diffusers, they can dramatically affect the quality of light. Try various reflectors also (cheap and effective for several different looks).

Then post the images(s) you like best along with a diagram of your light setup in order to get the most useful suggestions from the most experienced UHHers.
We all benefit from that!!

If you do this, you will have learned far more than you can by reading this banter (CaptainC's suggestions exempted).

Heck, do it right and you may even get CaptainC to sing like Barry White. That's something we would all appreciate! :roll:
quote=toptrainer OK thank you for the history les... (show quote)
OK, here is a picture of my wife. with a lokey ... (show quote)


Let's ignore for the moment that we could add a separation light for her hair against the dark background. This does come across as underexposed, but if shot raw would be very correctable.

This is really nice for a one-light portrait and I can easily accept the merging of her hair into the background as an artistic choice.

I think the light is well-positioned off to camera right, but maybe a bit too low. In a classic lighting style, that nose shadow would fall down very close (or even touching) the right corner of her mouth. It is called loop lighting or closed loop lighting respectively.

I want to know your light source. Umbrella? Shoot through umbrella? softbox? It is hard to make suggestions without knowing the DETAILS.

I would like to see exactly the same image shot with your light source really close to the subject. Close as in JUST outside the frame. That would make the light a bit softer.
quote=toptrainer OK, here is a picture of my wife... (show quote)
ok, f/6.3 1/250s iso 100 28-135@100mm I used flash... (show quote)


Is the flash bare? into an umbrella? The camera left light is not doing a thing, so that needs to be turned up - or moved closer.

You are mixing a flash and a "light." Is the flash in manual or TTL? What brand is the flash? Where is this light aimed?

I'm sorry, the problem is you don't know enough to even know what information we need to help you. It is like pulling teeth. I asked for details. I need to know what modifiers you are using, how close is the light? Can you control the light output?

I know you cannot afford a meter, but that is what you need. Until then, you are flailing without the tools you need. It looks like your flash is way more powerful than this light you refer to. How you can balance those without a meter is by using one at a time and seeing what exposure you need to get a decent image.

If mixing continuous and flash you have a problem of the shutter and aperture affecting the continuous light, but ONLY aperture affecting the flash.
quote=toptrainer ok, f/6.3 1/250s iso 100 28-135@... (show quote)

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Aug 10, 2012 16:25:34   #
GoofyNewfie Loc: Kansas City
 
Lighting webinar August 17th.
Presented by ProPhoto a top-of-the-line lighting equipment company.
ProPhoto equipment is expensive (and really nice! Think Ferrari, Lambo...), but the basics are universal.

http://www.macgroupus.com/webinar/profoto/Profoto-Webinar-Invite-08172012.html

"In this webinar, we will cover everything from several lighting styles (including how and when to use each), to lighting ratios and how to set a proper exposure for each light. We will start with simple solutions then progress through complete lighting scenarios. You will see every aspect of working with a main light, fill and rim light. So join us for the most informative hour anywhere!"

Let others know if this link works for you or if you are locked out.

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Aug 10, 2012 16:50:18   #
CaptainC Loc: Colorado, south of Denver
 
No need to apologize for a lack of knowledge, but you are trying to do things sort of "out of schedule." I mean that most people would have more basic knowledge before trying studio lighting.

Having said that , let's see where we are.
Umbrellas are measured around the dome - not across the face. So if that really is a 16 inch umbrella, it is WAY too small. You should have a 42" at least. Remember this - write it down and tape it to your lightstand: The larger the light source IN RELATION TO THE SUBJECT, the softer the light. So a 42" umbrella right up close will give you wonderfully soft light. It still needs to be high enough to make the nose shadow fall down and away, but that should be your starting point.

I cannot address what to do with a 5500 lumens light. I don't even know what that means. If you used that in the image of your wife (beautiful lady, by the way), then your flash is way too bright for the hotlight as I cannot see any rim or separation at all.
I think mixing flash with continuous light at your level is counterproductive. Use all hotlights or all flash. I am not saying you cannot get good results - you can. An experienced photographer could use a studio strobe, speedlight, and a candle, but it would take few years experience to know how to place them!

If you set the flash to half or quarter power, how do you know what to set the hotlight to? Did I mention you need a light meter? :-)
I have to tell you I am not interested in "I cannot afford it." If you want to do this kind of work, then you need the appropriate gear. Period. Look on Ebay, Craigslist, etc. Or wait until you save up.
I agree with GoofyNewfie - watch that upcoming webinar by Profoto. Of course if you want to see gear that is expensive, check out the Profoto pricelist!

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Aug 10, 2012 23:45:45   #
Wendy2 Loc: California
 
CaptainC wrote:
Wendy2 wrote:
Captain C, how many lights did you use on the high key photo?
And did you light the background.


Three. Two White Lightning units to illuminate the BG. Those were fired into umbrellas. The units should be aimed at the opposite side of the white - that keeps exposure pretty even across the white. That metered f11.
Subject lit by one Alien Bee fired into a HUGE Paul Buff 84" PLM umbrella with diffusion. The PLM is directly over the camera. The PLM metered f8 at the subject.
quote=Wendy2 Captain C, how many lights did you u... (show quote)


Did you use the extreme silver, soft silver or white PLM? Do you use the same PLM for low key?

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Aug 10, 2012 23:57:50   #
CaptainC Loc: Colorado, south of Denver
 
Wendy2 wrote:
CaptainC wrote:
Wendy2 wrote:
Captain C, how many lights did you use on the high key photo?
And did you light the background.


Three. Two White Lightning units to illuminate the BG. Those were fired into umbrellas. The units should be aimed at the opposite side of the white - that keeps exposure pretty even across the white. That metered f11.
Subject lit by one Alien Bee fired into a HUGE Paul Buff 84" PLM umbrella with diffusion. The PLM is directly over the camera. The PLM metered f8 at the subject.
quote=Wendy2 Captain C, how many lights did you u... (show quote)


Did you use the extreme silver, soft silver or white PLM? Do you use the same PLM for low key?
quote=CaptainC quote=Wendy2 Captain C, how many ... (show quote)


That PLM belongs to a studio I rent occasionally and I am embarrassed to admit I have no idea. I just LOVE it!

I do not use it for low key. It certainly could be used, I just like smaller softboxes a bit easier to maneuver.

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Aug 11, 2012 00:02:46   #
Wendy2 Loc: California
 
CaptainC wrote:
Wendy2 wrote:
CaptainC wrote:
Wendy2 wrote:
Captain C, how many lights did you use on the high key photo?
And did you light the background.


Three. Two White Lightning units to illuminate the BG. Those were fired into umbrellas. The units should be aimed at the opposite side of the white - that keeps exposure pretty even across the white. That metered f11.
Subject lit by one Alien Bee fired into a HUGE Paul Buff 84" PLM umbrella with diffusion. The PLM is directly over the camera. The PLM metered f8 at the subject.
quote=Wendy2 Captain C, how many lights did you u... (show quote)


Did you use the extreme silver, soft silver or white PLM? Do you use the same PLM for low key?
quote=CaptainC quote=Wendy2 Captain C, how many ... (show quote)


That PLM belongs to a studio I rent occasionally and I am embarrassed to admit I have no idea. I just LOVE it!

I do not use it for low key. It certainly could be used, I just like smaller softboxes a bit easier to maneuver.
quote=Wendy2 quote=CaptainC quote=Wendy2 Captai... (show quote)


Does it have a 'silver lining' ;)

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Aug 11, 2012 00:07:21   #
CaptainC Loc: Colorado, south of Denver
 
Wendy2 wrote:
CaptainC wrote:
Wendy2 wrote:
CaptainC wrote:
Wendy2 wrote:
Captain C, how many lights did you use on the high key photo?
And did you light the background.


Three. Two White Lightning units to illuminate the BG. Those were fired into umbrellas. The units should be aimed at the opposite side of the white - that keeps exposure pretty even across the white. That metered f11.
Subject lit by one Alien Bee fired into a HUGE Paul Buff 84" PLM umbrella with diffusion. The PLM is directly over the camera. The PLM metered f8 at the subject.
quote=Wendy2 Captain C, how many lights did you u... (show quote)


Did you use the extreme silver, soft silver or white PLM? Do you use the same PLM for low key?
quote=CaptainC quote=Wendy2 Captain C, how many ... (show quote)


That PLM belongs to a studio I rent occasionally and I am embarrassed to admit I have no idea. I just LOVE it!

I do not use it for low key. It certainly could be used, I just like smaller softboxes a bit easier to maneuver.
quote=Wendy2 quote=CaptainC quote=Wendy2 Captai... (show quote)


Does it have a 'silver lining' ;)
quote=CaptainC quote=Wendy2 quote=CaptainC quo... (show quote)


It has the diffusion material on it, but come to think of it, I believe it has the white.

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Aug 11, 2012 00:13:32   #
Wendy2 Loc: California
 
Thanks again Captain C!

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Aug 11, 2012 06:04:02   #
Shakey Loc: Traveling again to Norway and other places.
 
Thanks again, CaptainC. You are an inspiration to us all and we are so glad you are here.

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Aug 11, 2012 19:24:25   #
Festina Lente Loc: Florida & Missouri
 
CaptainC wrote:

That PLM belongs to a studio I rent occasionally and I am embarrassed to admit I have no idea. I just LOVE it!

I purchased the 86" white PLM from Paul Buff with a black front spill kill fabric cover for about $70.
The basic 86" white PLM umbrella alone costs about $40 and yields such a softer-than-a-diffused-window controllable light.
They work beautifully with the Alien Bees and Einsteins.

Captain, unless you do not have the room, you deserve to have one of these!!
In appreciation for all the invaluable help you have so generously offered here on UHH, I'll even have one shipped to you.

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Aug 11, 2012 22:16:02   #
CaptainC Loc: Colorado, south of Denver
 
Festina Lente wrote:
CaptainC wrote:

That PLM belongs to a studio I rent occasionally and I am embarrassed to admit I have no idea. I just LOVE it!

I purchased the 86" white PLM from Paul Buff with a black front spill kill fabric cover for about $70.
The basic 86" white PLM umbrella alone costs about $40 and yields such a softer-than-a-diffused-window controllable light.
They work beautifully with the Alien Bees and Einsteins.

Captain, unless you do not have the room, you deserve to have one of these!!
In appreciation for all the invaluable help you have so generously offered here on UHH, I'll even have one shipped to you.
quote=CaptainC br That PLM belongs to a studio ... (show quote)


Oh that is funny! The studio I use has one and I certainly cannot put it up in my basement.

Those things really are an amazing bargain.

Hey - tell you what - just send me the cash! :-)

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Aug 12, 2012 00:06:08   #
toptrainer Loc: Wellington
 
Hey guys, I'm the poor, want to improve my photography..... I'll take it :-)
Festina Lente wrote:
CaptainC wrote:

That PLM belongs to a studio I rent occasionally and I am embarrassed to admit I have no idea. I just LOVE it!

I purchased the 86" white PLM from Paul Buff with a black front spill kill fabric cover for about $70.
The basic 86" white PLM umbrella alone costs about $40 and yields such a softer-than-a-diffused-window controllable light.
They work beautifully with the Alien Bees and Einsteins.

Captain, unless you do not have the room, you deserve to have one of these!!
In appreciation for all the invaluable help you have so generously offered here on UHH, I'll even have one shipped to you.
quote=CaptainC br That PLM belongs to a studio ... (show quote)

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