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Sep 11, 2018 16:53:36   #
DaveO Loc: Northeast CT
 
ken_stern wrote:
He could give NOTHING and still be more then within his constitutional rights to take a knee when the song is played


I think most would agree with his intentions, but take exception to have it rammed down their throats on national TV that most are paying to watch and essentially disparaging our country. His right...might be more appropriate in another venue.

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Sep 11, 2018 18:59:11   #
David in Dallas Loc: Dallas, Texas, USA
 
Maybe half those agencies are actually worthwhile ones and the rest just organizers of protests. One hopes the worthwhile ones outnumber the others.

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Sep 11, 2018 19:09:08   #
stacyrr Loc: Los Angeles
 
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Sep 11, 2018 19:26:32   #
DaveO Loc: Northeast CT
 
David in Dallas wrote:
Maybe half those agencies are actually worthwhile ones and the rest just organizers of protests. One hopes the worthwhile ones outnumber the others.


Didn't somebody say that there are good people everywhere?

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Sep 11, 2018 21:01:43   #
donrosshill Loc: Delaware & Florida
 
Thanks, I can agree and the shirt makes it difficult for me to breath.
Don

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Sep 11, 2018 23:23:46   #
Alans844
 
DaveO wrote:
I think most would agree with his intentions, but take exception to have it rammed down their throats on national TV that most are paying to watch and essentially disparaging our country. His right...might be more appropriate in another venue.


Virtually every major religion celebrates bending a knee as a sign of respect and adoration. In no other case that I’ve ever been aware of has anyone labeled taking a knee as a sign of disrespect, EVER. His action cost no time, certainly no money. You might want him to protest in his back yard but aren't protest invariably in the most public forum possible? Makes ya' wonder. What generates all the hostility against him? That it's the 1st Amendment? Noooo, couldn't be that. Well what else could it be?

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Sep 12, 2018 01:29:09   #
blackhorse 1-7
 
LOVE IT!

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Sep 12, 2018 01:39:53   #
blackhorse 1-7
 
No one should argue about his "right" to do, but that doesn't make what he does, right.

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Sep 12, 2018 05:18:41   #
DaveO Loc: Northeast CT
 
Alans844 wrote:
Virtually every major religion celebrates bending a knee as a sign of respect and adoration. In no other case that I’ve ever been aware of has anyone labeled taking a knee as a sign of disrespect, EVER. His action cost no time, certainly no money. You might want him to protest in his back yard but aren't protest invariably in the most public forum possible? Makes ya' wonder. What generates all the hostility against him? That it's the 1st Amendment? Noooo, couldn't be that. Well what else could it be?
Virtually every major religion celebrates bending ... (show quote)


Maybe you are new to this country. Here, many generations have stood as a sign of respect when our National Anthem is played.

Most employers have guidelines for their employees dress and conduct while in the performance of their duties. Imagine cashiers, food servers or anyone in the retail or service industry all exercising their rights before providing their services for us? Or maybe there is a list of acceptable actions that are deemed not offensive and widely accepted, no cost, etc. Kind of like a friendly wave or nod with a political protest connotation. Maybe the two word salute conveyed with the adoration displayed while raising ones middle finger is okay as well.

I do not expect to pay for entertainment and be subject to protest displays as a prerequisite to enjoy my purchase. He, and all the others, most certainly do not have to protest in their back yards, but they sure as hell will not hold their forum in my living room and at my expense. Bad enough that I pay my provider to steal a third or more of the time I pay for with commercial ads. I wonder if that is also covered by the 1ST Amendment. I'm not paying for a soapbox for political protests.

I am not at all hostile towards him and even support some of his views, but I am not interested in viewing what I believe is disrespectful to our country, so my reply will be to not watch the event. My right.

They certainly deserve all the rights that I have and hopefully they are able to continue their employment without my support. I simply will not be held captive.

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Sep 12, 2018 06:07:40   #
traderjohn Loc: New York City
 
ken_stern wrote:
He could give NOTHING and still be more then within his constitutional rights to take a knee when the song is played


And nothing is what he is doing about his concerns. Has he spoken to the targeted population about the importance of education? The importance of a two-parent family? It takes two parents to raise a successful child/children. Has he spoken about how a criminal record never looks good when you are looking for work? Has spoken to the male population about personal responsibility that the child/children who are born because of you deserve more than your indifference and failure to support them. What have all the other players done after their 3-4 minute gesture? There is no staying concern during the offseason. In the long run, they do not use their celebrity to benefit their concerns by going into the various communities and push educational and job skills participation.

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Sep 12, 2018 19:30:20   #
FRENCHY Loc: Stone Mountain , Ga
 
DaveO wrote:
Maybe you are new to this country. Here, many generations have stood as a sign of respect when our National Anthem is played.

Most employers have guidelines for their employees dress and conduct while in the performance of their duties. Imagine cashiers, food servers or anyone in the retail or service industry all exercising their rights before providing their services for us? Or maybe there is a list of acceptable actions that are deemed not offensive and widely accepted, no cost, etc. Kind of like a friendly wave or nod with a political protest connotation. Maybe the two word salute conveyed with the adoration displayed while raising ones middle finger is okay as well.

I do not expect to pay for entertainment and be subject to protest displays as a prerequisite to enjoy my purchase. He, and all the others, most certainly do not have to protest in their back yards, but they sure as hell will not hold their forum in my living room and at my expense. Bad enough that I pay my provider to steal a third or more of the time I pay for with commercial ads. I wonder if that is also covered by the 1ST Amendment. I'm not paying for a soapbox for political protests.

I am not at all hostile towards him and even support some of his views, but I am not interested in viewing what I believe is disrespectful to our country, so my reply will be to not watch the event. My right.



They certainly deserve all the rights that I have and hopefully they are able to continue their employment without my support. I simply will not be held captive.
Maybe you are new to this country. Here, many gen... (show quote)



Well explain!

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Sep 26, 2018 20:28:42   #
raymondh Loc: Walker, MI
 

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Sep 26, 2018 22:31:54   #
Alans844
 
DaveO wrote:
Maybe you are new to this country. Here, many generations have stood as a sign of respect when our National Anthem is played.

Most employers have guidelines for their employees dress and conduct while in the performance of their duties. Imagine cashiers, food servers or anyone in the retail or service industry all exercising their rights before providing their services for us? Or maybe there is a list of acceptable actions that are deemed not offensive and widely accepted, no cost, etc. Kind of like a friendly wave or nod with a political protest connotation. Maybe the two word salute conveyed with the adoration displayed while raising ones middle finger is okay as well.

I do not expect to pay for entertainment and be subject to protest displays as a prerequisite to enjoy my purchase. He, and all the others, most certainly do not have to protest in their back yards, but they sure as hell will not hold their forum in my living room and at my expense. Bad enough that I pay my provider to steal a third or more of the time I pay for with commercial ads. I wonder if that is also covered by the 1ST Amendment. I'm not paying for a soapbox for political protests.

I am not at all hostile towards him and even support some of his views, but I am not interested in viewing what I believe is disrespectful to our country, so my reply will be to not watch the event. My right.

They certainly deserve all the rights that I have and hopefully they are able to continue their employment without my support. I simply will not be held captive.
Maybe you are new to this country. Here, many gen... (show quote)


No, not new. My family goes back to the mid-1700's on one side and farther on the other. It also includes Air Force, Naval Officers, Army, who was at Iwo and a Seal. You did know that a Green Beret is the person that advised Kaepernick to kneel. I take no issue with your choice to not view it. That's your right. He's protesting the loss of life. It is bound to make people uncomfortable.

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Sep 26, 2018 22:38:53   #
FRENCHY Loc: Stone Mountain , Ga
 
Alans844 wrote:
No, not new. My family goes back to the mid-1700's on one side and farther on the other. It also includes Air Force, Naval Officers, Army, who was at Iwo and a Seal. You did know that a Green Beret is the person that advised Kaepernick to kneel. I take no issue with your choice to not view it. That's your right. He's protesting the loss of life. It is bound to make people uncomfortable.




You can protest all you want a life lost is lost forever, no sense to tun the "manifestation" into a political issue.

He has the right to be stupid or whatever, but not on our time watching a game

It shows ONLY what the guy is thinking and this is personal

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Sep 29, 2018 18:00:35   #
TheShoe Loc: Lacey, WA
 
FRENCHY wrote:
You can protest all you want a life lost is lost forever, no sense to tun the "manifestation" into a political issue.

He has the right to be stupid or whatever, but not on our time watching a game

It shows ONLY what the guy is thinking and this is personal


CK's protests did not interfere with the games nor did they alter the playing or the outcomes. I think that any court in the land would side with the protesters and not with the people taking offence with them. It most certainly is a political issue when the government turns a blind eye to the problem. I think that history will side with CK just as it has Jesus, Gandhi, Mandela, Rosa Parks, MLK Jr and everybody who has peacefully protested injustice. If you let a simple two-minute protest ruin a game for you then you have a problem in addition to being part of the problem being protested.

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