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Sep 8, 2018 12:17:29   #
TriX Loc: Raleigh, NC
 
cdayton wrote:
As a Jaguar owner dating from the mid-60s, I am an expert on various check engine lights. The best, long-term solution is strategically placed pieces of color-coordinated tape that cover and hide the offending displays. I accept your thanks in advance.


Absolutely correct. Except for the inspection, that’s an excellent long term solution. 😺

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Sep 8, 2018 12:19:49   #
TriX Loc: Raleigh, NC
 
tgshoe wrote:
This code can be a result of a vacuum leak. If the mass air flow sensor has been cleaned it may need to be replaced as they do occasionally go bad. Sometimes this code is a result of unmetered air being introduced downstream of the MAF sensor. I would demand my $300 back, as the work performed had nothing to do with this code. Check engine lights are related to specific codes and those codes are related to a particular system. Once you know the code simply examine that system until you find the issue. In this case it is the fuel metering system on the car. either the computer is at the limit of the amount of fuel it can add to alleviate the lean condition because of a fuel flow problem, easily verified with a fuel pressure gauge and check it under load not just at idle, or there is unmetered air entering the system after the MAF sensor and the o2 sensor is picking up the resulting lean condition. i would find a different dealer as this is common issue once a vehicle has a little age on it. I had this code once on a Silverado and it was caused by the intake manifold gasket leaking. That allowed unmetered air into the system.
This code can be a result of a vacuum leak. If the... (show quote)


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Sep 8, 2018 12:48:46   #
Plumma Loc: NE MA.
 
sorry double post

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Sep 8, 2018 12:49:51   #
Plumma Loc: NE MA.
 
I have a Nissan Versa 2012. I had the same code. The car would only go 20 mph and the engine was very rough running. Replaced O2 sensor. after that it ran well for all of 27 miles then started doing the same thing. then I took it to the dealer. They had it for 2.5 months. the finally say it's the brake light senser. Seems that it is somehow connected to the transmission so the computer thought that there was something wrong with the transmission.
Just got it back yesterday and it is running like new. But I have only put 24 miles on it so we shall see?! The good part was the I got a loaner car for the full time and put 3000 miles on that:) I was hoping that they lost my Car.
Good luck with your car

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Sep 8, 2018 13:04:37   #
carl hervol Loc: jacksonville florida
 
sound like a gas cap try changer the gas cap that what fix mine buy a factory cap not a after market

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Sep 8, 2018 13:50:00   #
Amielee Loc: Eastern Washington State
 
I have an old Toyota Previa that I bought new. A few years ago the check engine light came on. I have replaced the O2 sensor twice, the Catallitic Converter once, the gas cap once and the check engine light still comes on. Pulling fuse # 15 turns it off. It does not set a hard code. After pulling the fuse the light may stay off for a few days or months. It has never failed an emissions check. Since I now only use the car to haul things to the dump or pick up lumber I am through replacing things. It took me a while to learn that I was paying mechanics to go to school on this car.

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Sep 8, 2018 13:57:17   #
lARRY1 Loc: southern nc
 
Had the same problem with my daughter"s Honda. The mass air flow sensor has a very small probe in the center of the sensor and the only way to clean it is to spray a cleaner down the tube . Most of the time I have found this isn't much cleaning. If the build up is bad, the cleaner isn't going to help. Replace the mass air flow sensor, easy to do yourself, about $100 bucks. Clear codes. This fixed my problem. Good Luck!!

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Sep 8, 2018 14:20:57   #
FRENCHY Loc: Stone Mountain , Ga
 
jerryc41 wrote:
Have any of you had experience with Check Engine code P0171? It indicates a lean mixture. My son's 2015 Honda Fit (84,000 miles) has this problem, and he can't get it inspected. The dealer cleaned the Mass Air Flow Sensor, but the light came back on. Then they did a $300 oil change and fuel system cleaning - light came back on. Now they want to replace the injectors for $1,700. They seem to be playing a guessing game that he's paying for.

I'm wondering if any of you found a solution the that error code.
Have any of you had experience with Check Engine c... (show quote)





System too lean bank 1. Oxygen sensor. Could have up to 4 depending on the car.

If only one sensor it's easy, 2 or 4? the tech has to read and test it, that's where the problem starts, being paid on a flat rate most of the time, they replace both of them or more if equipped and the bill is up there.

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Sep 8, 2018 14:37:35   #
kd7eir Loc: Tucson, AZ
 
jerryc41 wrote:
Have any of you had experience with Check Engine code P0171? It indicates a lean mixture. My son's 2015 Honda Fit (84,000 miles) has this problem, and he can't get it inspected. The dealer cleaned the Mass Air Flow Sensor, but the light came back on. Then they did a $300 oil change and fuel system cleaning - light came back on. Now they want to replace the injectors for $1,700. They seem to be playing a guessing game that he's paying for.

I'm wondering if any of you found a solution the that error code.
Have any of you had experience with Check Engine c... (show quote)


Look for a vacuum leak on bank one of the engine - that will be the cheapest fix if that's the cause. Otherwise it could be any of the following:

A faulty fuel pressure regulator
A weak fuel pump
A clogged fuel filter
A faulty powertrain control module
A vacuum leak
Faulty injector(s)
Faulty oxygen sensor(s)
A faulty mass air flow sensor

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Sep 8, 2018 18:06:43   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
jerryc41 wrote:
Have any of you had experience with Check Engine code P0171? It indicates a lean mixture. My son's 2015 Honda Fit (84,000 miles) has this problem, and he can't get it inspected. The dealer cleaned the Mass Air Flow Sensor, but the light came back on. Then they did a $300 oil change and fuel system cleaning - light came back on. Now they want to replace the injectors for $1,700. They seem to be playing a guessing game that he's paying for.

I'm wondering if any of you found a solution the that error code.
Have any of you had experience with Check Engine c... (show quote)


Yes. Stay away from guessing dealers! Independent garages can be far better and less costly. Ask around in your community about good ones. I found two near me. The local Toyota dealer is a scam.

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Sep 8, 2018 20:17:47   #
edrobinsonjr Loc: Boise, Idaho
 
jerryc41 wrote:
Have any of you had experience with Check Engine code P0171? It indicates a lean mixture. My son's 2015 Honda Fit (84,000 miles) has this problem, and he can't get it inspected. The dealer cleaned the Mass Air Flow Sensor, but the light came back on. Then they did a $300 oil change and fuel system cleaning - light came back on. Now they want to replace the injectors for $1,700. They seem to be playing a guessing game that he's paying for.

I'm wondering if any of you found a solution the that error code.
Have any of you had experience with Check Engine c... (show quote)


I have experienced this when a vacuum hose split and leaked additional air into the system.

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Sep 8, 2018 23:15:55   #
wideangle Loc: Wisconsin
 
I had an engine code in a 2005 honda pilot. replace the air filter and the hasn't come on for 3 weeks now

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Sep 9, 2018 02:17:22   #
tropics68 Loc: Georgia
 
jerryc41 wrote:
Have any of you had experience with Check Engine code P0171? It indicates a lean mixture. My son's 2015 Honda Fit (84,000 miles) has this problem, and he can't get it inspected. The dealer cleaned the Mass Air Flow Sensor, but the light came back on. Then they did a $300 oil change and fuel system cleaning - light came back on. Now they want to replace the injectors for $1,700. They seem to be playing a guessing game that he's paying for.

I'm wondering if any of you found a solution the that error code.
Have any of you had experience with Check Engine c... (show quote)


There are numerous possibilities for that code. This page lists some easier things to try before emptying your wallet at a dealer.

I had it on a Monte Carlo some years back and changed the oxygen sensors and it fixed the problem. I am not saying that is your problem just my one time experience.

http://www.myautorepairadvice.com/p0171.html

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Sep 9, 2018 12:17:14   #
fiat124
 
hi. check that the o2 sensor is switching. on later cars the ecu wont let the engine run rich so it runs weak with no power. a branch of ngk make very very good replacement o2 sensors. i would not go for injectors to be cleaned. the o2 sensor nearest the head feeds ecu with info to control the fuel and the o2 sensor after the cat checks that the cat is working as it should

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Sep 9, 2018 12:46:23   #
TriX Loc: Raleigh, NC
 
kd7eir wrote:
Look for a vacuum leak on bank one of the engine - that will be the cheapest fix if that's the cause. Otherwise it could be any of the following:

A faulty fuel pressure regulator
A weak fuel pump
A clogged fuel filter
A faulty powertrain control module
A vacuum leak
Faulty injector(s)
Faulty oxygen sensor(s)
A faulty mass air flow sensor


Good list. If it was mine, I’d do the following:

After making sure the fuel filter had been changed at the recommended intervals, i’d first go looking for a vacuum leak after the mass airflow sensor such as a cracked vacuum hose or the rubber boot from the mass airflow sensor to the intake manifold, etc. One way to check is to blow a little propane (from an unlit propane torch) around the various intake components and hoses. If the engine speeds up, you discovered a leak. If I didn’t find a leak, then my next step would be to see if the mixture is really lean, or the oxygen sensors are faulty. Some cars have one per exhaust, and some have two (before and after the catalytic converter). You can remove and check them statically with an ohmmeter if you can find the spec, but that’s no guarantee they’re actually good dynamically. If the sensor(s)’s good and the engine is actually lean, then there can be a number of causes, but probably the mass airflow sensor would be the first candidate, since these fail fairly regularly. Also look for loose/damaged electrical connectors to the mass airflow and water temp sensors, etc. A more sophisticated code reader or one for your specific car may be able to diagnose this very quickly with something more specific than this general code, and that diagnosis, if available, would be money well spent.

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