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Sep 8, 2018 06:27:35   #
Jerry G Loc: Waterford, Michigan and Florida
 
I always understood "point and shoot" to mean cameras that did not allow manual control, not just the fact they had a non interchangeable lens.

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Sep 8, 2018 06:28:13   #
Jerry G Loc: Waterford, Michigan and Florida
 
oops

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Sep 8, 2018 07:28:30   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
crushr13 wrote:
With so many photography courses out there saying that to be a good photographer, it is all about what you know and how you use it, and not so much about what gear you have (though good lenses, among other things, help remarkably, too). And they say that anyone can make great photographs with most any camera.

I noticed when I recently went out to purchase a new point-and-shoot camera, to get into the learning part of photography, I noticed that almost nobody (if any manufacturer at all) sells a point-and-shoot capable of shooting RAW with JPEG. They all do JPEG only. Yet all cameras shoot RAW (of course), and then (if necessary to make a JPEG) condense it down to form the JPEG. Does this not seem so strange?

I finally went out and bought a DSLR to have the capability to shoot RAW, if I choose (no discussion here on RAW vs JPEG here, please), so I can enjoy those benefits, as well. I am trying finally to learn photography more fully, rather than just snapshots, as I used to always do.

Am I being ridiculous, or might it be beneficial to have a point-and-shoot that can shoot RAW that can be readily available?

(FYI - I have a Canon PowerShot SX720 HS (with 40x zoom) for my point-and-shoot, and a Canon EOS Rebel T7i for my DSLR. The first digital camera I ever had was a Canon, and liked it enough to stay with it.)
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Compacts with raw and viewfinder.

https://www.lifewire.com/best-viewfinder-cameras-493677
http://www.compactcamerawithviewfinder.com/
http://www.imaging-resource.com/compact-cameras-with-viewfinders

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Sep 8, 2018 07:29:37   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
Jerry G wrote:
I always understood "point and shoot" to mean cameras that did not allow manual control, not just the fact they had a non interchangeable lens.


I don't think there are any actual, current point and shoot cameras - cameras with no adjustments or options for shooting.

EDIT: "Name confusion
The terms "point and shoot" and "compact camera" are used differently in different parts of the world. In the UK point-and-shoot predominantly means a fully automatic camera, regardless of size or shape. A "compact camera" on the other hand, has a small body, regardless of any fully automatic capabilities. Thus a DSLR can have point-and-shoot modes, and some compact cameras are not designed for point and shoot operation, with the equivalent controls to a DSLR.

"The use of "point-and-shoot" to mean a small or compact camera regardless of automation capabilities has long been predominant in the US, and in the 21st century it began spreading elsewhere. Since 2012, the term of 'Compact System Camera' is frequently used, but it is a mirrorless interchangeable-lens camera with various sensor sizes, smaller compact body than DSLR, but has capabilities near, same or even better than DSLRs."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Point-and-shoot_camera

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Sep 8, 2018 07:35:30   #
11bravo
 
My Olympus TG4 does RAW + jpg and fits in your pocket. My Nikon P7800, Panasonic FZ1000, and FZ300 all do RAW + jpg, though certainly the Panasonics are considered bridge cameras. It does require looking at the specs, but camera review sites do include those.

https://www.dpreview.com/buying-guides

https://www.imaging-resource.com/WB/WB.HTM

https://www.digitalcameraworld.com/buying-guides/best-point-and-shoot-cameras

I always shoot RAW and jpg (before you throw rocks) because it allows me to select all the jpgs from our cameras and put on flash drives for my travel companion. She just wants photos to take home to show her family and friends using her notebook, and I don't have the time while traveling to process RAW's. Select the jpgs from HDD, copy, rename using date/time/initials, then merge so she can step through.

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Sep 8, 2018 07:54:41   #
Brucej67 Loc: Cary, NC
 
My Sony RX-100 and RX-100 VI shoots raw.

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Sep 8, 2018 07:56:45   #
jims203 Loc: Connecticut
 
The Sony RX100 & RX10 series all shoot RAW & JPEG and produce fine images.

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Sep 8, 2018 07:57:27   #
malawibob Loc: South Carolina
 
I don't know if all bridge cameras do it but my old Canon SX50hs certainly does. pick jpeg, raw, or raw&jpeg.

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Sep 8, 2018 07:57:58   #
anotherview Loc: California
 
The point-and-shoot camera that produces only a JPEG file of an image almost surely costs less than a like camera that also produces a RAW file.

The assumption here goes to the need or want of the photographer. I venture to say that only a tiny fraction of snapshooters experience any desire to capture a RAW file of an image for later processing in software like Adobe Camera Raw and then in the full Photoshop.

Instead, they take a picture and enjoy it or share it, with no more processing than what happens in the camera.

Further, camera -makers know their market and produce cameras that suit it.

That's about the size of it.
crushr13 wrote:
With so many photography courses out there saying that to be a good photographer, it is all about what you know and how you use it, and not so much about what gear you have (though good lenses, among other things, help remarkably, too). And they say that anyone can make great photographs with most any camera.

I noticed when I recently went out to purchase a new point-and-shoot camera, to get into the learning part of photography, I noticed that almost nobody (if any manufacturer at all) sells a point-and-shoot capable of shooting RAW with JPEG. They all do JPEG only. Yet all cameras shoot RAW (of course), and then (if necessary to make a JPEG) condense it down to form the JPEG. Does this not seem so strange?

I finally went out and bought a DSLR to have the capability to shoot RAW, if I choose (no discussion here on RAW vs JPEG here, please), so I can enjoy those benefits, as well. I am trying finally to learn photography more fully, rather than just snapshots, as I used to always do.

Am I being ridiculous, or might it be beneficial to have a point-and-shoot that can shoot RAW that can be readily available?

(FYI - I have a Canon PowerShot SX720 HS (with 40x zoom) for my point-and-shoot, and a Canon EOS Rebel T7i for my DSLR. The first digital camera I ever had was a Canon, and liked it enough to stay with it.)
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Sep 8, 2018 08:06:47   #
BudsOwl Loc: Upstate NY and New England
 
crushr13 wrote:
With so many photography courses out there saying that to be a good photographer, it is all about what you know and how you use it, and not so much about what gear you have (though good lenses, among other things, help remarkably, too). And they say that anyone can make great photographs with most any camera.

I noticed when I recently went out to purchase a new point-and-shoot camera, to get into the learning part of photography, I noticed that almost nobody (if any manufacturer at all) sells a point-and-shoot capable of shooting RAW with JPEG. They all do JPEG only. Yet all cameras shoot RAW (of course), and then (if necessary to make a JPEG) condense it down to form the JPEG. Does this not seem so strange?

I finally went out and bought a DSLR to have the capability to shoot RAW, if I choose (no discussion here on RAW vs JPEG here, please), so I can enjoy those benefits, as well. I am trying finally to learn photography more fully, rather than just snapshots, as I used to always do.

Am I being ridiculous, or might it be beneficial to have a point-and-shoot that can shoot RAW that can be readily available?

(FYI - I have a Canon PowerShot SX720 HS (with 40x zoom) for my point-and-shoot, and a Canon EOS Rebel T7i for my DSLR. The first digital camera I ever had was a Canon, and liked it enough to stay with it.)
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My Canon G-15 shoots raw and jpeg. I usually only shot raw with it. I believe the whole G series shoots raw.
Bud

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Sep 8, 2018 08:25:00   #
lamiaceae Loc: San Luis Obispo County, CA
 
crushr13 wrote:
With so many photography courses out there saying that to be a good photographer, it is all about what you know and how you use it, and not so much about what gear you have (though good lenses, among other things, help remarkably, too). And they say that anyone can make great photographs with most any camera.

I noticed when I recently went out to purchase a new point-and-shoot camera, to get into the learning part of photography, I noticed that almost nobody (if any manufacturer at all) sells a point-and-shoot capable of shooting RAW with JPEG. They all do JPEG only. Yet all cameras shoot RAW (of course), and then (if necessary to make a JPEG) condense it down to form the JPEG. Does this not seem so strange?

I finally went out and bought a DSLR to have the capability to shoot RAW, if I choose (no discussion here on RAW vs JPEG here, please), so I can enjoy those benefits, as well. I am trying finally to learn photography more fully, rather than just snapshots, as I used to always do.

Am I being ridiculous, or might it be beneficial to have a point-and-shoot that can shoot RAW that can be readily available?

(FYI - I have a Canon PowerShot SX720 HS (with 40x zoom) for my point-and-shoot, and a Canon EOS Rebel T7i for my DSLR. The first digital camera I ever had was a Canon, and liked it enough to stay with it.)
With so many photography courses out there saying ... (show quote)


As others have pointed out too, you must have looked at the wrong few. Looking at this another way, I have a 2007-ish Kodak bridge camera still laying around, it shoots JPEG and RAW. And my Samsung Galaxy Note 8 SmartPhone also shoots JPEG and RAW. My DSLRs are all Pentax and they shoot JPEGs (not me) and two types of RAW, DNG and PEF.

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Sep 8, 2018 08:40:06   #
Hsch39 Loc: Northbrook, Illinois
 
Canon Powershot G16 shoots RAW and JPEG

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Sep 8, 2018 08:40:21   #
jaymatt Loc: Alexandria, Indiana
 
Lots of point-and-shoots have RAW capability.

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Sep 8, 2018 09:20:06   #
markngolf Loc: Bridgewater, NJ
 
I owned a Canon SX60, G9 and I now have a Sony RX10 IV in addition to my two DSLR's. They all shoot RAW.
Mark
crushr13 wrote:
With so many photography courses out there saying that to be a good photographer, it is all about what you know and how you use it, and not so much about what gear you have (though good lenses, among other things, help remarkably, too). And they say that anyone can make great photographs with most any camera.

I noticed when I recently went out to purchase a new point-and-shoot camera, to get into the learning part of photography, I noticed that almost nobody (if any manufacturer at all) sells a point-and-shoot capable of shooting RAW with JPEG. They all do JPEG only. Yet all cameras shoot RAW (of course), and then (if necessary to make a JPEG) condense it down to form the JPEG. Does this not seem so strange?

I finally went out and bought a DSLR to have the capability to shoot RAW, if I choose (no discussion here on RAW vs JPEG here, please), so I can enjoy those benefits, as well. I am trying finally to learn photography more fully, rather than just snapshots, as I used to always do.

Am I being ridiculous, or might it be beneficial to have a point-and-shoot that can shoot RAW that can be readily available?

(FYI - I have a Canon PowerShot SX720 HS (with 40x zoom) for my point-and-shoot, and a Canon EOS Rebel T7i for my DSLR. The first digital camera I ever had was a Canon, and liked it enough to stay with it.)
With so many photography courses out there saying ... (show quote)

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Sep 8, 2018 09:37:39   #
Deanie1113
 
The brand-new Nikon P1000 shoots raw as well as the old Canon Powershot SX60. There's lots.

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