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Sep 1, 2018 08:39:27   #
The Villages Loc: The Villages, Florida
 
CO wrote:
Don't be concerned about that at all. The 21 megapixels of the D500 and D7500 are more than enough. I think the pixel count got as high as it is today for marketing reasons. I bought a D500 and was glad that Nikon went from 24 to 21 megapixels. The individual pixels on the 21 MP sensor have almost twice the surface area of the 24 MP sensor. That's good for a variety of reasons. The sensor with larger pixels can have a better signal to noise ratio. Camera shake is not as evident on sensors with large pixels. Sensors with small pixels are affected by diffraction sooner when stopping down the aperture.

Another good thing about going with a D7xxx series or above Nikon is the pentaprism viewfinder. The D3xxx and D5xxx series cameras have a pentamirror viewfinder. The glass prism in the D7xxx series gives a larger, slightly brighter view though the viewfinder.
Don't be concerned about that at all. The 21 megap... (show quote)


CO - Would the MP numbers you reference change mush IF dealing with a Full Frame vs. Crop? I would think they increase to some extent due to increased sensor size.

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Sep 1, 2018 10:13:18   #
mizzee Loc: Boston,Ma
 
Youll also have a better lends selection.

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Sep 1, 2018 10:44:39   #
tdozier3 Loc: Northern Illinois
 
mizzee wrote:
Youll also have a better lends selection.
How is that ? You can use any f mount lens on a any DX format Nikon

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Sep 1, 2018 12:29:32   #
amfoto1 Loc: San Jose, Calif. USA
 
tdozier3 wrote:
How is that ? You can use any f mount lens on a any DX format Nikon


D3000-series and D5000-series Nikons do not have the in-camera focusing motor, so are unable to autofocus Nikkor "AF" and some other lenses that don't have a focusing motor built into the lens.

While you can mount and use them, they will be manual focus only. If you want AF with these cameras, you basically need to buy AF-S or AF-P lenses. That's a little bit limiting, but over the past 5 or 10 years Nikon has gradually been converting to AF-S... and more recently some AF-P (which are not fully backward compatible with D7000 and other earlier cameras).

D7000-series and higher Nikons DO have the in-camera motor, so are able to autofocus both types of lens... those without and those lenses with the built-in focusing motor.

There also may be some metering concerns with certain lenses. Consult the lens/camera compatibility charts at the Nikon and Nikonians.org websites. Ken Rockwell also has a pretty good description of the different Nikkor designations and what they mean.

There are a number of online resources that can help you compare the various camera models....
https://cameradecision.com/compare/Nikon-D7500-vs-Nikon-D7200
https://www.techradar.com/news/nikon-d7500-vs-d7200-8-key-differences-you-need-to-know
https://www.dpreview.com/articles/3436918000/nikon-d7500-vs-d7200
https://www.imaging-resource.com/cameras/nikon/d7200/vs/nikon/d7500/
https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/compare/Nikon_D7200_vs_Nikon_D7500_vs_Nikon_D500_vs_Nikon_D3200/BHitems/1127271-REG_1333060-REG_1214161-REG_1027229-REG

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Sep 1, 2018 12:41:34   #
tdozier3 Loc: Northern Illinois
 
amfoto1 wrote:
D3000-series and D5000-series Nikons do not have the in-camera focusing motor, so are unable to autofocus Nikkor "AF" and some other lenses that don't have a focusing motor built into the lens.

While you can mount and use them, they will be manual focus only. If you want AF with these cameras, you basically need to buy AF-S or AF-P lenses. That's a little bit limiting, but over the past 5 or 10 years Nikon has gradually been converting to AF-S... and more recently some AF-P (which are not fully backward compatible with D7000 and other earlier cameras).

D7000-series and higher Nikons DO have the in-camera motor, so are able to autofocus both types of lens... those without and those lenses with the built-in focusing motor.

There also may be some metering concerns with certain lenses. Consult the lens/camera compatibility charts at the Nikon and Nikonians.org websites. Ken Rockwell also has a pretty good description of the different Nikkor designations and what they mean.
D3000-series and D5000-series Nikons do not have t... (show quote)
Thanks, but these are all things I am well aware of. The question was if there would be a noticeable difference in image quality with the difference in MP's.

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Sep 1, 2018 13:51:25   #
Pegasus Loc: Texas Gulf Coast
 
tdozier3 wrote:
Thanks, but these are all things I am well aware of. The question was if there would be a noticeable difference in image quality with the difference in MP's.


I went from 24mp D5200 to 21mp D7500 and I consider the IQ of the D7500 to be superior. I print some images in 8x10 and 13x19 they are great.

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Sep 1, 2018 15:30:59   #
CO
 
The Villages wrote:
CO - Would the MP numbers you reference change mush IF dealing with a Full Frame vs. Crop? I would think they increase to some extent due to increased sensor size.


They change a lot. I just looked up the pixel sizes on Imaging Resource. The pixel pitch of the 24 megapixel D7200 is 3.92 microns. The pixel pitch of the 24 megapixel D750 is 5.95 microns.

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Sep 1, 2018 16:51:49   #
hookedupin2005 Loc: Northwestern New Mexico
 
tdozier3 wrote:
I shoot a little bit of everything. I also have a 4 year old Grandson that won't stand still.


🏃‍♂️🏃‍♂️🏃‍♂️ hehehehehe!

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Sep 1, 2018 22:39:13   #
pmackd Loc: Alameda CA
 
CO wrote:
Don't be concerned about that at all. The 21 megapixels of the D500 and D7500 are more than enough. I think the pixel count got as high as it is today for marketing reasons. I bought a D500 and was glad that Nikon went from 24 to 21 megapixels. The individual pixels on the 21 MP sensor have almost twice the surface area of the 24 MP sensor. That's good for a variety of reasons. The sensor with larger pixels can have a better signal to noise ratio. Camera shake is not as evident on sensors with large pixels. Sensors with small pixels are affected by diffraction sooner when stopping down the aperture.

Another good thing about going with a D7xxx series or above Nikon is the pentaprism viewfinder. The D3xxx and D5xxx series cameras have a pentamirror viewfinder. The glass prism in the D7xxx series gives a larger, slightly brighter view though the viewfinder.
Don't be concerned about that at all. The 21 megap... (show quote)



I shoot the D500 too with great results but I have an issue with your math. The overall sensor sizes of Nikon's 24 MP and 21 Mp DX sensors are very similar. To the extent they are the same that would mean the areas of the individual pixels would be inversely related to the Mp. (since total area = constant = Mp x individual pixel area. ) So the individual pixel areas on the 21 Mp sensors would be 24/21 = 1.143 times larger than those in the 24 Mp sensors. That's about 14 % larger in area. Some folks seem to know the exact dimensions somewhat better than this estimate and quote 16% bigger rather than 14%.

https://cameradecision.com/compare/Nikon-D500-vs-Nikon-D7200

In either case hardly "almost twice." But enough for a small advantage in low light performance.

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Sep 2, 2018 07:38:30   #
CO
 
pmackd wrote:
I shoot the D500 too with great results but I have an issue with your math. The overall sensor sizes of Nikon's 24 MP and 21 Mp DX sensors are very similar. To the extent they are the same that would mean the areas of the individual pixels would be inversely related to the Mp. (since total area = constant = Mp x individual pixel area. ) So the individual pixel areas on the 21 Mp sensors would be 24/21 = 1.143 times larger than those in the 24 Mp sensors. That's about 14 % larger in area. Some folks seem to know the exact dimensions somewhat better than this estimate and quote 16% bigger rather than 14%.

https://cameradecision.com/compare/Nikon-D500-vs-Nikon-D7200

In either case hardly "almost twice." But enough for a small advantage in low light performance.
I shoot the D500 too with great results but I have... (show quote)


I made a mistake there. I was basing it on the pixels being round and used the formula for the area of a circle - PI times radius squared. I entered something incorrectly. I did that again. It looks like the surface area is about 16% larger.

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Sep 3, 2018 20:40:56   #
jpgto Loc: North East Tennessee
 
tdozier3 wrote:
Besides all the obvious extra bells and whistles, & better processor, will the loss of 3 pixels on the D7500 even be noticeable ?


Check out the d7200 refurb or used from a reputable seller

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Sep 3, 2018 20:52:04   #
tdozier3 Loc: Northern Illinois
 
jpgto wrote:
Check out the d7200 refurb or used from a reputable seller
I don't see the point, it's got the same processor & mp's as my 3200

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Sep 3, 2018 21:54:50   #
CO
 
tdozier3 wrote:
I don't see the point, it's got the same processor & mp's as my 3200


The D3xxx and D5xxx series Nikons have a pentamirror viewfinder. If you go to a D7xxx series or above, you get a superior pentaprism viewfinder. The glass prism inside gives a larger, slightly brighter view through the viewfinder. It really makes a difference. You'll also get dual command wheels. Dual command wheels are great for variety of settings - manual mode, setting AF mode and focus points, setting bracketing. You get the U1 and U2 memory banks on the mode dial. You can save frequently used settings and recall them in a second.

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