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Sep 1, 2018 08:26:37   #
Bill_de Loc: US
 
My first digital camera was a little Minolta. The lens could be removed from the camera and tethered with a [IIRC] 3 foot cord. With only an LCD screen it was easy to keep it shaded and your nose never got close to it.

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Sep 1, 2018 08:51:25   #
jwest Loc: South Dakota
 
Bob Locher wrote:
Actually, it would be a matter of which is one's dominant eye. In my case, it is my left eye - but I am entirely comfortable using my right eye for the camera. I have no idea if there is any correlation between being, say, right handed and being right eyed.
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There is no relationship between your dominant eye and dominent hand. I'm an NRA instructor and I do a dominant eye test on my students. Many are cross dominant - left eye, right hand and right eye, left hand. Although rare, eye dominence can even change when the eyes get tired. I am right eye dominant but I shoot with my left eye to the view finder. I think I developed this method because it offsets my nose to the right of the screen and I don't have to constantly clean thenose prints from the backscreen. Also, when shooting sports and dog shows I can still see the action with my right eye open and track what is going on to catch shots.

I like my wife's Lumix FZ1000 with the eye piece offset to the left because it "fits" my eye use.

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Sep 1, 2018 09:13:53   #
Orson Burleigh Loc: Annapolis, Maryland, USA
 
Bob Locher wrote:
... it hit me. ALL the cameras I liked better had a viewing window in the upper left corner of the camera. I could hold the camera up to my right eye and shoot away, my nose next the camera. With the SLR's I had to hold the center of the camera up to my eye, rubbing up against my nose, trying to flatten it against the camera body. Now, my nose is pretty standard, not a big proboscis, but still it is certainly a factor.

Many of the APC-S mirrorless cameras of today have left corner viewing, but the high end FF mirrorless cameras have centered viewfinder windows. And so far as I know, ALL SLR's have center viewfinder windows.

So. I think I have discovered something that at least for me is significant. I readily admit it seems like it should be an insignificant factor - but there it is. Constructive comments should be interesting.

Cheers

Bob Locher...
... it hit me. ALL the cameras I liked better had... (show quote)


Noodling about this preference for an offset viewfinder, and thinking about the comfort factor of using the DSLR camera in the vertical/portrait orientation, suggests that there might be a viable market-niche for a horizontal periscope that could be attached to the view-finder of an SLR and/or a DSLR in the same way as Canons's EP-EX 15 Eyepiece Extender. This periscopic device would need to be as light as the required pair of quality mirrors or prisms would allow while being rigid enough to keep the mirrors or prisms in proper alignment. There are, of course, issues which would need to be worked out regarding access to buttons/menu controls.

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Sep 1, 2018 09:52:15   #
leenso52
 
Interesting!

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Sep 1, 2018 09:53:38   #
lilac
 
You make a very interesting point. Thanks

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Sep 1, 2018 10:01:35   #
lilac
 
Please explain hams for hams. I'm afraid I don't understand that. Thanks in advance.

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Sep 1, 2018 10:09:20   #
lilac
 
I'm trying did you just say shoe and what exactly is that.

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Sep 1, 2018 10:57:10   #
dbjazz Loc: Long Island, NY
 
Absolutely true - especially with the very sensitive touch screens. My nose was changing the settings!

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Sep 1, 2018 11:10:59   #
jackpinoh Loc: Kettering, OH 45419
 
Bob Locher wrote:
My first serious camera was an Argus C-3 (a rangefinder camera) bought new in 1961 or 1962. Next, I moved to a Yashica SLR, then a Pentax Spotmatic SLR. From there I went to a Leica 3f, then a Leica M-2. I had discovered that I preferred rangefinder cameras to SLR's. And I took better pictures with the rangefinders.

Eventually I burned out of photography as a hobby - since I was also working in the photographic hardware business - and did nothing serious for about 30 years.

A Sony A6000 mirrorless camera got me interested again. I love the little box with several good lenses it is far and away the best camera I have ever owned.

But there is an inconsistency in the above. Why would I prefer seemingly anything to an SLR? Really, it doesn't make sense. I thought of several reasons - and they don't hold water.

But last night as I tossed and turned in bed, it hit me. ALL the cameras I liked better had a viewing window in the upper left corner of the camera. I could hold the camera up to my right eye and shoot away, my nose next the camera. With the SLR's I had to hold the center of the camera up to my eye, rubbing up against my nose, trying to flatten it against the camera body. Now, my nose is pretty standard, not a big proboscis, but still it is certainly a factor.

Many of the APC-S mirrorless cameras of today have left corner viewing, but the high end FF mirrorless cameras have centered viewfinder windows. And so far as I know, ALL SLR's have center viewfinder windows.

So. I think I have discovered something that at least for me is significant. I readily admit it seems like it should be an insignificant factor - but there it is. Constructive comments should be interesting.

Cheers

Bob Locher
My first serious camera was an Argus C-3 (a range... (show quote)

But there is no hope for people who are left-eye-dominant!

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Sep 1, 2018 12:44:25   #
jack schade Loc: La Pine Oregon
 
Since I am a left eye shooter this does absolutely nothing for me. But it’s a nice thing for all of you who shoot with your right eye.

Jack

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Sep 1, 2018 14:11:44   #
Anhanga Brasil Loc: Cabo Frio - Brazil
 
BHC wrote:
Like you, when I lift any of my rangefinders to look through the left side viewfinder, I automatically use my right eye. The problem is that I suffered a detached vitreous several years ago, and, as it gets worse, my ability to see clearly compromised. I have tried for years to retrain myself to use my left eye, but to no avail. And to make things worse, after using my right eye for a half hour or so, the "floaters" start obscuring my vision. I now carry an eye patch with me to cover my right eye. People look at me like I'm some kind of a nut when I flip the eye patch up to use both eyes. 😉😳😆
Like you, when I lift any of my rangefinders to lo... (show quote)


That is an interesting point. I used to shoot with my right eye on a Nikon FM-2. After the cataracts
surgery (both eyes), when the Ophto "decided for equalising by average diopter" used different lenses
for each eye... Go figure...
Anyway... My dominant eye is the left and I had to re-learn my handling of the camera.
I will buy a rubber eyepiece mounted in a way I will be forced to use my left eye.
As for "floaters", I have them since I was a teen and I can not use a microscope. And that is important
to my field (Dermatology) and do affect my photographic view.

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Sep 1, 2018 14:30:02   #
Toment Loc: FL, IL
 
Bob Locher wrote:
My first serious camera was an Argus C-3 (a rangefinder camera) bought new in 1961 or 1962. Next, I moved to a Yashica SLR, then a Pentax Spotmatic SLR. From there I went to a Leica 3f, then a Leica M-2. I had discovered that I preferred rangefinder cameras to SLR's. And I took better pictures with the rangefinders.

Eventually I burned out of photography as a hobby - since I was also working in the photographic hardware business - and did nothing serious for about 30 years.

A Sony A6000 mirrorless camera got me interested again. I love the little box with several good lenses it is far and away the best camera I have ever owned.

But there is an inconsistency in the above. Why would I prefer seemingly anything to an SLR? Really, it doesn't make sense. I thought of several reasons - and they don't hold water.

But last night as I tossed and turned in bed, it hit me. ALL the cameras I liked better had a viewing window in the upper left corner of the camera. I could hold the camera up to my right eye and shoot away, my nose next the camera. With the SLR's I had to hold the center of the camera up to my eye, rubbing up against my nose, trying to flatten it against the camera body. Now, my nose is pretty standard, not a big proboscis, but still it is certainly a factor.

Many of the APC-S mirrorless cameras of today have left corner viewing, but the high end FF mirrorless cameras have centered viewfinder windows. And so far as I know, ALL SLR's have center viewfinder windows.

So. I think I have discovered something that at least for me is significant. I readily admit it seems like it should be an insignificant factor - but there it is. Constructive comments should be interesting.

Cheers

Bob Locher
My first serious camera was an Argus C-3 (a range... (show quote)

Here’s a full frame for ya! 😉 http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1312543-REG/leica_20001_m10_digital_rangefinder_camera.html/?c3api=3679%2Cbing%2C81776185255824%2C4585375804826333&msclkid=1fa73cb6e80e1d6e9fd1673c3247bdb9

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Sep 1, 2018 15:12:09   #
drklrd Loc: Cincinnati Ohio
 
Bob Locher wrote:
My first serious camera was an Argus C-3 (a rangefinder camera) bought new in 1961 or 1962. Next, I moved to a Yashica SLR, then a Pentax Spotmatic SLR. From there I went to a Leica 3f, then a Leica M-2. I had discovered that I preferred rangefinder cameras to SLR's. And I took better pictures with the rangefinders.

Eventually I burned out of photography as a hobby - since I was also working in the photographic hardware business - and did nothing serious for about 30 years.

A Sony A6000 mirrorless camera got me interested again. I love the little box with several good lenses it is far and away the best camera I have ever owned.

But there is an inconsistency in the above. Why would I prefer seemingly anything to an SLR? Really, it doesn't make sense. I thought of several reasons - and they don't hold water.

But last night as I tossed and turned in bed, it hit me. ALL the cameras I liked better had a viewing window in the upper left corner of the camera. I could hold the camera up to my right eye and shoot away, my nose next the camera. With the SLR's I had to hold the center of the camera up to my eye, rubbing up against my nose, trying to flatten it against the camera body. Now, my nose is pretty standard, not a big proboscis, but still it is certainly a factor.

Many of the APC-S mirrorless cameras of today have left corner viewing, but the high end FF mirrorless cameras have centered viewfinder windows. And so far as I know, ALL SLR's have center viewfinder windows.

So. I think I have discovered something that at least for me is significant. I readily admit it seems like it should be an insignificant factor - but there it is. Constructive comments should be interesting.

Cheers

Bob Locher
My first serious camera was an Argus C-3 (a range... (show quote)


As yet the biggest thing that all forget is that with a mirror and viewfinder you can tell if the lens is dirty or if the lens cap is still on blocking the shot. Hard to do that until you made the first shot looking through a little peep hole on top of the camera which creates parallax problems and looking at the screen shows how shaky you are.

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Sep 1, 2018 15:23:26   #
David Lyon
 
Totally understand.’I had started
As a teen with 110, then Kodak 127, and my first 35mm was an Elctro 35.

The first camera the Navy gave me in Photo School was the mister Crown Graphic.... see a trend?

I shoo a merriod if cameras now, including two Bronica ETRS, one with a waist level finder, and LF and a Russian range finder.

For me, I pick the camera I want to shoot with for the outing. These is something comforting about using a ranger finder or waist level that you don’t get with an slr... the weight balance, the extra effort.

And then as pointed out,’it’s a feel you prefer, and how the body remembers.

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Sep 1, 2018 15:47:45   #
Photocraig
 
Architect1776 wrote:
Eye dominance has nothing to do with handedness.
Many left eye dominant people are right handed, buy right handed rifles when they should be using left handed rifles.


But the left eye/right handed combo enhances a baseball hitter's chances. We coach the rest of to turn their heads more. A camera, especially a small format camera, is a HAND tool. What fits your hand/eye and face is the operative physical parameters to be followed in choosing a camera. When I bought my first SLR in the 1970's moving from a Canonet QL17, I was set on a Canon AE-1. I went to a store and tried the AE-1, an OLY OM-1, a NIKON Fe (I think) and a Pentax ME. The ME felt best in my hands and I did well with it for years.

It is a matter of preference and ergonomics. It is why there are many versions of the very same tools of all kinds from mechanical, carpentry, culinary, surgical to photographic.

A camera is, afterall, really just a light tight box with a lens mounting system, a shutter in some form (if not already in the lens or mount, a focusing capability (ditto if in the lens), and a way to manage the light sensitive material or device and storage so as to preserve the image in a usable form before and after capture. All the rest is preference, convenience and MARKETING!

On my latest, an EOS 77D, the screen rotates to face inside the body back and protect it from my nose grease and helps me avoid the bad habit if chimping every (vs reviewing critical) shots. The rotating screen has probably done more to overcome ergonomic "issues" in today's cameras. Beyond selfies, it allows us to take photos from different camera angles like overhead, or like old waist level reflex cameras. I find it also makes smaller lighter tripod more appealing to my 6'4" ever less bendable frame.

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