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Aug 31, 2018 12:18:00   #
BebuLamar
 
burkphoto wrote:
The Df SELLS for $2750 new. It is worth about $1500 new, to those of us who aren’t stuck in the past. I love its looks, but as a full frame body with only 16MP and with no EVF or articulating OLED touch screen or video... I can’t use it.


Nikon doesn't have problem selling it for $2746 all these time. Dropping the price wouldn't increase the sale because people either like it or hate it. People said it's the D600 with a high price tag and I do think Nikon has trouble selling the D610 for $1500.

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Aug 31, 2018 12:22:59   #
jcboy3
 
brrywill wrote:
As a long working pro during the "film era" of photography, I had the great pleasure of taking photos with magnificent precision made machines from the likes of Hasselblad, Leica, and Nikon. When the digital wave hit I considered quitting photography rather than be forced to take photos with a plastic computer with a lens on the front. I know any change is hard, but I can't help feeling the camera companies sold their soul when they allowed the young computer geeks to completely design the new cameras. There was no transition from manual controls, it was a jump right off the cliff into digital oblivion. Many of these designers were too young to have even experienced the joy of a simple three point control of a photograph. The idea that there was no need to take your eye off the subject to read a menu and lose the shot.

Then along came Fuji to save the day with their great camera controls. When I shoot with the GFX and X cameras they allow me, once again, to forget about the equipment and concentrate on the subject.

Perhaps my greatest disappointment was the way Nikon introduced their greatest achievement to date, the Df. The price was too close to the D810, a simple $300 reduction would have probably doubled the sales. Then they called it retro.....what the h___ is retro!? Com'on Nikon, it's not about the looks, although it helps, people bought that camera because of the controls. I know I did. Which brings me to my point.... Am I the only one who would like to see one of the Nikon Mirrorless cameras come with Df/Fuji style surface controls? I am really surprised no one has mentioned this.
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That's a pretty longwinded convoluted way to get at the question.

TITLE: Would you buy a mirrorless version of the Nikon Df?

DISCUSSION: It's a really cool camera that people (and Nikon) ignore because it costs too much.

ANSWER: It doesn't have enough megapixels for the current climate, but it would be really cool if Nikon did release a higher resolution mirrorless version with an adapter that could use all of the lenses that the current Df can use (especially if it included a focus motor in the adapter for AF D lenses).

Yes.

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Aug 31, 2018 12:56:58   #
cjc2 Loc: Hellertown PA
 
As a long-time film photographer, I respectfully disagree with the OP. I moved, kicking and screaming to a small extent, from the F5 to the D1H. I found the controls similar. Now, with a D5, if find it far superior the F5 in many respects -- judging by the results. Although I still own two F5 bodies, I am not looking to go backwards any time soon. I keep telling myself that I'm going to get some fresh 120 reversal film and make a few more 'chromes' but that hasn't actually happened in many years. Best of luck.

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Aug 31, 2018 12:57:38   #
CatMarley Loc: North Carolina
 
kymarto wrote:
It will never happen. There is simply not enough real estate on a body that small on which to put the buttons and dials.


Here is an XT body. 130 mm long, 72 mm high and 32 mm deep. On top it had ISO dial, shutter speed dial, exposure compensation dial, shooting mode dial, and focusing mode dial. Everything you need to control your shot is under your fingertips, not in a menu, and all on 41.6 square centimeters of real estate! I think Nikon Z could manage the task!



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Aug 31, 2018 13:02:29   #
PH CIB
 
I fell in love with the Fuji dials and controls of the exposure triangle too like so many of us Fuji fans,,,,actually I hope none of the other camera manufacturers duplicate it because with Sony and Nikon and Canon selling full frame and crop sensor mirror less cameras I worry about Fuji in the marketplace while Panasonic and Olympus will be OK with much smaller and lighter lenses and cameras.....which crop sensor cannot come close to matching....

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Aug 31, 2018 14:45:24   #
brrywill
 
jerryc41 wrote:
That would only result in twice the number of people on the waiting list. They have already sold out their first production run. At this point, they can sell them as fast as they can make them. I wouldn't be surprised to see a $300 price increase.



Please, don't give them any ideas!

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Aug 31, 2018 15:00:50   #
brrywill
 
leftj wrote:
They have. Ken Wheeler is one who pointed it out early on.


Really? Did not see that, will have to check it out. Thanks for the correction.

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Aug 31, 2018 15:04:30   #
brrywill
 
olemikey wrote:
Mode, shutter speed, aperture, and ISO as primary manual controls - would sit well with me, everything else can be buttons or menu. I like the look of the newer Fuji's, but haven't handled one yet.



The Fuji's have a great feel, kind of like the old Leicas. Although the GFX choose to put a window like the H-1 instead of a third wheel. I would have preferred the third knob instead, but still very nice.

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Aug 31, 2018 15:07:22   #
brrywill
 
chrisg-optical wrote:
I can't speak for the MF GFX series but one plus with the Fuji X series is the classic and intuitive control layout that is familiar to anyone coming from the film age (which I suspect is many on these forums since it was not that long ago). Fuji has many other pluses - quality of construction, great IQ, great handling....I am waiting to see what the XT-3 will offer next month! Ken the angry photographer called Fuji the new "Leica" but with a lower price tag! Of all the mirrorless cameras to date, my top two likes are Fuji and Olympus.
I can't speak for the MF GFX series but one plus w... (show quote)



Agreed, I use them both.

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Aug 31, 2018 15:09:58   #
BobbyT Loc: Southern California
 
I luv retro. I would luv a 1939 Packard sedan BUT....





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Aug 31, 2018 15:25:37   #
brrywill
 
camerapapi wrote:
You are hard on technology or technology is hard on you. If digital is not for you it was a mistake to sell or get rid off the cameras you had. Film is still available and you can do your own development or find one of the many stores that develop it.

Digital is a different and new technology not a "plastic computer with a lens in the front." We are working now with photons not with a negative. The cameras are more sophisticated and the electronics awesome. We even have several editing programs to satisfy anyone. We can do to our photography what you never thought it could be possible. These are new times and new technologies and it has not been a problem with me at this age of 82.

I cannot speak on behalf of other cameras since I use Nikon dSLR bodies and NONE of them have ever been a problem when it came to controls. Electronics make the camera to communicate with the lens to the point that it is very easy to set the apertures with camera although using an old lens apertures can be set with the lens if that is what the operator prefers. Many D lenses allow to set the apertures manually but you will not find many photographers that favor that preferring to set the apertures electronically in camera.

If technology is not acceptable to you and you have your reasoning my recommendation is that you go back and find those bodies you miss, usually at a fraction of what they cost in the past and begin to use them instead of using digital.
Respectfully submitted.
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Yes, in fact I did keep most of my old film cameras. I thought they were worth more as nostalgic shelf pieces than the little they are getting for them these days.

Actually though, I think you might have missed my point. I wasn't knocking digital per se, just the way they rolled it out. They could have maintained many of the manual controls from film cameras and still institute the menu alternative, like Fuji and the Df ended up doing. However, the designers choose to quit cold turkey. But I agree, digital as a technology is light years ahead of using film, not to mention the savings in processing. It also has served to bring many more people into photography with the small automatic cameras and phones, which is a good thing.

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Aug 31, 2018 15:32:06   #
brrywill
 
CatMarley wrote:
You are right. I am one who had migrated to Fuji from Nikon because I found the menu systems and lack of external controls increasingly annoying. A mirrorless Nikon FM would be my dream camera!



It would be a best seller for sure. Not sure why Nikon hasn't picked up on the idea, I think they could do it using the new Z platform.

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Aug 31, 2018 15:36:50   #
BebuLamar
 
brrywill wrote:
It would be a best seller for sure. Not sure why Nikon hasn't picked up on the idea, I think they could do it using the new Z platform.


Describe to me how would it be? What features and controls and shape and size would it have?

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Aug 31, 2018 15:45:49   #
Daryl New Loc: Wellington,New Zealand
 
Great article,interesting thoughts....

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Aug 31, 2018 15:58:52   #
brrywill
 
BebuLamar wrote:
Describe to me how would it be? What features and controls and shape and size would it have?



Probably like the Fuji X body CatMarley just posted. The controls are perfect, small body with FF sensor.

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