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Aug 20, 2018 07:11:30   #
ggenova64
 
Always shoot RAW and JPEG. RAW gives more Metadata. Down the road when Post Processing you have more pixels to work with.

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Aug 20, 2018 07:31:31   #
Nikon1201
 
I thought we just went thru this

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Aug 20, 2018 07:36:57   #
ggenova64
 
Hedgehoggers, we did! Another day in "RAW"!

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Aug 20, 2018 07:38:11   #
Barny
 
I shoot RAW and JPG to slots 1 & 2. The JPGs are quickly sorted using a photo viewer deleting unsuitable pics. They are then roughly edited by cropping and light fill or auto contrast in Picasa 3.(1-3 per min) They are then watermarked with the image number and "PROOF ONLY" using uMark 5 and a file size of about 0.5Mb. These are posted to my fb page for selling. All orders are produced fron the RAW filea via LR and produced as a file about 2Mb suitable for social media and small prints at the local pharmacy. I photo horse shows so shoot in HS bursts with my D500 so can get 1000-1500 frames in 8hrs. This is a hobby so don't pay tax but can cover expenses like replacing a camera. My previous camera (now a backup) is a D7200 with over 200,000 shutter clicks. Couple of decent zooms, a replacement laptop with SSD even a e-bike to get around the arenas. I am 75 with ephysema.

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Aug 20, 2018 07:49:07   #
Shutterbug57
 
Barny wrote:
This is a hobby so don't pay tax ...


That is a novel approach.

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Aug 20, 2018 08:23:32   #
camerapapi Loc: Miami, Fl.
 
I know that a RAW file has more information but how good is that information if the person using the file does not know how to extract all of its goodness? My personal opinion on this, if you are using JPEG and it gives you files that you are happy with stay with JPEG.

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Aug 20, 2018 08:29:06   #
anotherview Loc: California
 
You may set your camera to record both RAW and JPEG files of an image at the same time. Then for your own purposes you can develop either one or both.
avemal wrote:
Shoot Raw or Jeg
I get good results shooting JPEG with Lightroom.
I understand Raw will give more detail . The big difference is the size of the file but the edit will give more true detail. THOUGHTS please.

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Aug 20, 2018 09:00:38   #
cjc2 Loc: Hellertown PA
 
Think of raw as the digital version of a negative and jpeg as the prints. Did you save your negatives? I shoot only raw, and produce my jpegs from those files. You should do whatever makes you the happiest. Best of luck.

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Aug 20, 2018 09:08:01   #
leftj Loc: Texas
 
rgrenaderphoto wrote:
You misunderstand the benefits of RAW photography. File size is irrelavant. If you ever shot film, think of RAW as the negative, and think of photographers in the dark room, dodging, burning, masking manually to get the perfect exposure. If you ever saw an unretouched Ansel Adams print, SOOC, you would be shocked.

In addition, JPEG is a compressed file format. Each time you open a JPEG and save, it is compressed and you lose detail


That's only if you make changes and save. If you haven't made any changes why would you save it again?

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Aug 20, 2018 09:24:09   #
DirtFarmer Loc: Escaped from the NYC area, back to MA
 
While it is true that re-saving a jpg increases the compression artifacts in the image, it is somewhat under the control of the user. Most programs allow you to control the degree of compression. Reducing compression reduces artifacts but results in a larger file. If you consistently use a low compression (large jpg size) the degradation on successive saves is reduced, and if the compression is low enough the artifacts are unlikely to be noticeable. Of course the downside is increased file size, but this is a tradeoff that is worth it in most cases.

If you start with a raw file and use a nondestructive editor, any jpg you produce is a first-generation jpg with the minimum degradation for a given compression. Additional edits based on the raw file do not increase the artifacts because you always start with the raw file in such an editor.

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Aug 20, 2018 09:34:21   #
lamiaceae Loc: San Luis Obispo County, CA
 
I weary of this question, so I just say I agree with Bill Munny totally and completely.

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Aug 20, 2018 09:37:33   #
lamiaceae Loc: San Luis Obispo County, CA
 
PixelStan77 wrote:
Simple in my mind. Shoot raw if you have that capability in your camera. Why? Because Shooting in Raw format will give you more control over how your photograph shows and even be able to correct several small flaws when you capture the photo, such as the exposure. You can easily fix the white balance in RAW file if the white balance cannot be properly set with the camera when taking a photo.
If you choose to shoot in RAW, the photograph can be enlarged beyond the sensor's resolution of you camera and the scene of image will contain high contrast.
The quality of a JPEG file generated from RAW format is much better than the one directly shot in JPEG. So you can shoot in RAW and then convert it to JPEG
Simple in my mind. Shoot raw if you have that capa... (show quote)


"Shoot raw if you have that capability in your camera." What camera today does not have that ability? My SmartPhone Samsung Galaxy Not5 did as does my Note8, shoot Raw!

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Aug 20, 2018 09:37:42   #
AndyH Loc: Massachusetts and New Hampshire
 
DirtFarmer wrote:
While it is true that re-saving a jpg increases the compression artifacts in the image, it is somewhat under the control of the user. Most programs allow you to control the degree of compression. Reducing compression reduces artifacts but results in a larger file. If you consistently use a low compression (large jpg size) the degradation on successive saves is reduced, and if the compression is low enough the artifacts are unlikely to be noticeable. Of course the downside is increased file size, but this is a tradeoff that is worth it in most cases.

If you start with a raw file and use a nondestructive editor, any jpg you produce is a first-generation jpg with the minimum degradation for a given compression. Additional edits based on the raw file do not increase the artifacts because you always start with the raw file in such an editor.
While it is true that re-saving a jpg increases th... (show quote)



Back when JPEG was my default format, a/k/a before I understood what a non-destructive editor was, I would frequently edit JPEGs, and save them in the largest file size to minimize loss. Nevertheless, I found that as early as the third re-save, I began picking up artifacts in the darker areas. When I switched to RAW only, it became possible to edit as many versions as I cared to without any loss. Open up a JPEG you've edited a couple of times, magnify the image, and look in both the darkest and lightest areas and I think you'll see what I mean. Why do anything that's destructive of your original image data, even a little bit?

Andy

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Aug 20, 2018 10:04:49   #
olemikey Loc: 6 mile creek, Spacecoast Florida
 
Raw is most bestest, jpeg fine is good. With quality 32GB "fast" cards selling for $12 (and other sizes selling cheap too) it makes sense to go raw. Some also shoot Raw and JPEG for each shot, some switch back and forth. With the large memory cards at low cost it's the way to go!

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Aug 20, 2018 10:32:15   #
DirtFarmer Loc: Escaped from the NYC area, back to MA
 
AndyH wrote:
Back when JPEG was my default format, a/k/a before I understood what a non-destructive editor was, I would frequently edit JPEGs, and save them in the largest file size to minimize loss. Nevertheless, I found that as early as the third re-save, I began picking up artifacts in the darker areas. When I switched to RAW only, it became possible to edit as many versions as I cared to without any loss. Open up a JPEG you've edited a couple of times, magnify the image, and look in both the darkest and lightest areas and I think you'll see what I mean. Why do anything that's destructive of your original image data, even a little bit?

Andy
Back when JPEG was my default format, a/k/a before... (show quote)


I certainly recommend shooting raw. I also recommend leaving out the jpg unless absolutely necessary (see previous post above). However, it is occasionally necessary to shoot jpg* so people should understand how to minimize artifacts if necessary.

* My D4 and D5 have a silent live view mode that appears to be basically a video mode that saves frames separately. It will not save raw files, only jpg. That is a specialized mode that I try to use sparingly if at all (I use it maybe once every other year). Raw is my format of choice. It has been pointed out to me that some other cameras will save a raw file in silent mode.

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