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A rare topic that's not about gear or exposure modes: the role of perspective in compositions. Please share your photos!
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Aug 18, 2018 15:13:32   #
Linda From Maine Loc: Yakima, Washington
 
Bill_de wrote:
If you move to the Gallery you'll have to say it all with pictures. This topic will garner a lot of conversation. Better stay where you are.

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Aug 18, 2018 15:35:45   #
LoneRangeFinder Loc: Left field
 
Linda From Maine wrote:
I'm holding on tight, Bill


And your topic will disappear faster than a mouse in a room full of cats

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Aug 18, 2018 15:45:42   #
Linda From Maine Loc: Yakima, Washington
 
LoneRangeFinder wrote:
And your topic will disappear faster than a mouse in a room full of cats
If you are referring to whether the topic is appropriate for main discussion forum, I'll add two more examples of photo-rich topics in main forum:
https://www.uglyhedgehog.com/t-518230-1.html
https://www.uglyhedgehog.com/t-504788-1.html

Nothing ventured, nothing gained?

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Aug 18, 2018 15:59:44   #
artBob Loc: Near Chicago
 
I am bewildered by the negativity of some. The topic got responses and thanks, so it is obviously helping people. Yet some, usually misunderstanding the rules and intentions, want to move or otherwise weaken it. Puzzling for sure.

Meanwhile, I look forward to others' posts.

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Aug 18, 2018 16:17:30   #
R.G. Loc: Scotland
 
This is just the sort of subject we should be discussing. It beats sharing notes on how to spend lots of our hard-earned money on gear .

#1 below (which is unedited) was taken quite close to the boathouse and gave me the view of the boathouse that I wanted, but I thought the background was too distant and I was seeing a wider stretch of the hills than I wanted. So I backed off a bit and set my zoom to include just the stretch of hills that I wanted to capture, then repositioned myself for the best composition at the new level of zoom. In a way I turned my zoom lens into a prime with the right focal length for the background and then did what all prime lens users have to do - I zoomed with my feet.

#2 was taken only tens of feet from where #1 was taken but you'll notice that the background hills seem closer in #2. That is the compression effect that zoom gives. The difference isn't stark, but it's enough to make the point. I think this is the first time I deliberately used zoom to bring foreground and background closer. I composed for the hills first then repositioned for the foreground.

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Aug 18, 2018 16:23:36   #
Linda From Maine Loc: Yakima, Washington
 
R.G. wrote:
This is just the sort of subject we should be discussing. It beats sharing notes on how to spend lots of our hard-earned money on gear .

#1 below (which is unedited) was taken quite close to the boathouse and gave me the view of the boathouse that I wanted, but I thought the background was too distant and I was seeing a wider stretch of the hills than I wanted. So I backed off a bit and set my zoom to include just the stretch of hills that I wanted to capture, then repositioned myself for the best composition at the new level of zoom. In a way I turned my zoom lens into a prime with the right focal length for the background and then did what all prime lens users have to do - I zoomed with my feet.

#2 was taken only tens of feet from where #1 was taken but you'll notice that the background hills seem closer in #2. That is the compression effect that zoom gives. The difference isn't stark, but it's enough to make the point. I think this is the first time I deliberately used zoom to bring foreground and background closer. I composed for the hills first then repositioned for the foreground.

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Thanks so much for your detailed explanation of your process, R.G. Having "visual aids" is what my intent was with the discussion topic. Maybe if I'd left off "please share your photos" in the topic title, we could have flown under the trolls' radars

A couple of years ago there was an article in Outdoor Photographer magazine about "telephoto landscapes." I had not thought in those terms before since I do like my wide vistas.

Very glad you joined the thread!

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Aug 18, 2018 16:36:28   #
Linda From Maine Loc: Yakima, Washington
 
Atmospheric perspective While many folks are applying haze removal tools, I tend to seek out dust, mist, fog and haze


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Aug 18, 2018 17:03:35   #
Chaostrain Loc: Hillsboro, Oregon
 
I had a few but this one definitely goes in the Fun Stuff category. These two pictures are of the same flower. I also have some other ideas but I haven't gotten to the final photo stage yet.

How we see it.
How we see it....
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How the bugs see it.
How the bugs see it....
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Aug 18, 2018 17:13:34   #
Linda From Maine Loc: Yakima, Washington
 
Chaostrain wrote:
I had a few but this one definitely goes in the Fun Stuff category. These two pictures are of the same flower. I also have some other ideas but I haven't gotten to the final photo stage yet.
Including your legs in #1 reinforces the straight-down perspective. For the folks who enjoy flower or pet photography especially, your bug's view should stimulate ideas.

I can attest that having a rotating LCD screen is a bonus for low angles

Thanks!

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Aug 18, 2018 18:09:12   #
Bill_de Loc: US
 
R.G. wrote:
This is just the sort of subject we should be discussing. It beats sharing notes on how to spend lots of our hard-earned money on gear .

#1 below (which is unedited) was taken quite close to the boathouse and gave me the view of the boathouse that I wanted, but I thought the background was too distant and I was seeing a wider stretch of the hills than I wanted. So I backed off a bit and set my zoom to include just the stretch of hills that I wanted to capture, then repositioned myself for the best composition at the new level of zoom. In a way I turned my zoom lens into a prime with the right focal length for the background and then did what all prime lens users have to do - I zoomed with my feet.

#2 was taken only tens of feet from where #1 was taken but you'll notice that the background hills seem closer in #2. That is the compression effect that zoom gives. The difference isn't stark, but it's enough to make the point. I think this is the first time I deliberately used zoom to bring foreground and background closer. I composed for the hills first then repositioned for the foreground.

Very good illustration and commentary. Right on topic. Thanks.

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Aug 18, 2018 18:19:05   #
pmorin Loc: Huntington Beach, Palm Springs
 
CaptainC wrote:
Yeah, the perception may change, but it is a visual lie. That compression is nothing more than an "optical cropping" of the scene. Take two images from the same place - one at say 200mm and one at 35mm. Crop the 35mm image to the same angle of view as the 200 and.....NO DIFFERENCE!

A discussion of how perspective works in composition is good. Using focal length to demonstrate it is incorrect. That is my only point.



I also agree with CaptainC. I do not think focal length is what causes true perspective. I submit a photo taken at 200mm. It was just as the fog was lifting that we could see the icebergs and then the cruise ship against the face of the glacier.
And then the glacier itself came into view with the dark Moraine leading to the ship.


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Aug 18, 2018 18:19:25   #
camerapapi Loc: Miami, Fl.
 
I guess we all know that lenses are only tools. As we gain experience in photography we learn how to use them properly and then we learn that a wide angle is not to catch everything in view and that a tele is not necessarily used to bring far objects closer.

The first image was shot with a wide angle at Hutchinson Island, here in South Florida. While it made prominent the objects (rocks) in the foreground which I used as the center of interest, the houses appear farther back than they actually were. The emphasis is then placed on the foreground which is expanded to make it more interesting.

The second shot is a sunset in the Florida Keys. I used a medium tele to isolate the subject. Because the sunset took place after a storm the colors in the sky due to the atmospheric conditions were more dramatic than those we can see on an evening without the storm. Although the sun was setting far away from the boat the compression effect makes it look as if it was closer. Balance was achieved by placing the sun on the far left of the frame.

The last shot is a good example of leading lines. This was a sunrise also at Hutchinson Island. The line formed by the edge of the coast to the left and the fence to the right, both pointing in the direction of the sunrise lead the eye in that direction. Because a 24mm wide angle lens was used the background appears farther away than it actually was. Wide angles make backgrounds recede while the foreground becomes prominent.


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Aug 18, 2018 18:33:34   #
Linda From Maine Loc: Yakima, Washington
 
pmorin wrote:
I also agree with CaptainC. I do not think focal length is what causes true perspective. I submit a photo taken at 200mm. It was just as the fog was lifting that we could see the icebergs and then the cruise ship against the face of the glacier.
And then the glacier itself came into view with the dark Moraine leading to the ship.
A lot of impact for me, Pete!

The article I linked when responding to Captain C includes this clarifying info: ""a combination of long lens and camera-to-subject distance gives the viewer the impression that distant objects are larger than they actually are. As a result, it gives the appearance that the background has pulled in closer to the subject." "

I do suspect that glacier is huge in reality, though

Many thanks for your interest in the topic!

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Aug 18, 2018 18:38:17   #
Linda From Maine Loc: Yakima, Washington
 
camerapapi wrote:
I guess we all know that lenses are only tools. As we gain experience in photography we learn how to use them properly and then we learn that a wide angle is not to catch everything in view and that a tele is not necessarily used to bring far objects closer.

The first image was shot with a wide angle at Hutchinson Island, here in South Florida. While it made prominent the objects (rocks) in the foreground which I used as the center of interest, the houses appear farther back than they actually were. The emphasis is then placed on the foreground which is expanded to make it more interesting.

The second shot is a sunset in the Florida Keys. I used a medium tele to isolate the subject. Because the sunset took place after a storm the colors in the sky due to the atmospheric conditions were more dramatic than those we can see on an evening without the storm. Although the sun was setting far away from the boat the compression effect makes it look as if it was closer. Balance was achieved by placing the sun on the far left of the frame.

The last shot is a good example of leading lines. This was a sunrise also at Hutchinson Island. The line formed by the edge of the coast to the left and the fence to the right, both pointing in the direction of the sunrise lead the eye in that direction. Because a 24mm wide angle lens was used the background appears farther away than it actually was. Wide angles make backgrounds recede while the foreground becomes prominent.
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Your photos are stunning and your commentary very clearly expressed. Thank you so much for sharing your time and talent, William. Greatly appreciated!

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Aug 18, 2018 19:13:18   #
kenievans Loc: Dallas
 
I shot this one almost laying flat on the ground with a 50mm prime lens. Had I not gotten down at that level I couldn't have caught the backlight that gives this its "glow". I think it also makes it feel more I intimate.


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