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Aug 17, 2018 08:26:33   #
AZNikon Loc: Mesa, AZ
 
rmalarz wrote:
Absolutely not. I'd never let anyone, other than a very small and select few people, handle my photographic equipment.

Besides, everyone has a cellphone with which they are more comfortable. Let 'em take their own snapshots with their phones.
--Bob


Imagine how bad they would feel and how furious you would be if there was an "accident". Friends and family matter-don't do it!

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Aug 17, 2018 08:31:22   #
Skiextreme2 Loc: Northwest MA
 
rmalarz wrote:
Absolutely not. I'd never let anyone, other than a very small and select few people, handle my photographic equipment.

Besides, everyone has a cellphone with which they are more comfortable. Let 'em take their own snapshots with their phones.
--Bob


Agree (unless you have an old dslr you don't care if it gets broken)

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Aug 17, 2018 09:15:19   #
47greyfox Loc: on the edge of the Colorado front range
 
As a “borrower and lender never be,” I saw your generosity as a clever opportunity to justify a new camera when one of your potential users inadvertently conducts a destructive shock test. Good luck. A suggestion.... delay ordering anything until the day after the event.

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Aug 17, 2018 09:51:39   #
bpulv Loc: Buena Park, CA
 
swartfort wrote:
Lots of it has centered on learning how to shoot manual, or what are the benefits of all the different "shooting modes".

Well to day I found what I think is a great use for the P "program mode" on my Nikon.

My wife and I are going to a big family birthday bash over labor day weekend. She asked if we could use my camera and the cheapo kit lens (18-55) as a sort of community camera, so anyone could feel free to pick it up and take a shot or three.

It will be an outdoor event in a semi-closed area, and also some time on a big pontoon boat. I am not a fan of AUTO simply because I don't like the way the camera uses the "area" focus mode. I don't think this would be the best way to capture images if a true novice picked up the camera and simply pointed and shot. So I got to thinking.

I am going to set this up in a P mode. I am setting the focus to single point, I am setting the ISO to a range between 400 and 3200, and I set the range of shutter speed to between 125 and 1600. I cannot set the aperture, so the only variable that I am leaving to the camera is DOF. For point and shoot that is a small sacrifice if the images are focused, exposed, and composed as the photographer wishes.

The other thing I did was take the BBF off and went back to the standard shutter. The lens is fast enough so I don't think that even telling the true novices about the half press will be that important. I plan on starting the day leaving the camera in continuous mode to take bursts of shots to try to help the novices get some quality among the quantity.

Does anyone have any experience like this or have any thoughts?
Lots of it has centered on learning how to shoot m... (show quote)


This is a great idea, but what if someone inadvertently pushes a wrong button? I have never done this because I would never let a novice use my DSLRs. I would instead hand them a point-n-shoot.

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Aug 17, 2018 09:54:24   #
lamontcranston
 
rmalarz wrote:
Absolutely not. I'd never let anyone, other than a very small and select few people, handle my photographic equipment.

Besides, everyone has a cellphone with which they are more comfortable. Let 'em take their own snapshots with their phones.
--Bob



That is the best advice you are going to get.

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Aug 17, 2018 10:42:24   #
tommystrat Loc: Bigfork, Montana
 
rmalarz wrote:
Absolutely not. I'd never let anyone, other than a very small and select few people, handle my photographic equipment.

Besides, everyone has a cellphone with which they are more comfortable. Let 'em take their own snapshots with their phones.
--Bob


Yes, indeed! No touchy the cammy, eh?

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Aug 17, 2018 10:53:24   #
NCMtnMan Loc: N. Fork New River, Ashe Co., NC
 
swartfort wrote:
LMAO.... I so knew this was going to be the response.... Truth be told, full disclosure, and the honest truth....

I would like nothing better than to have an excuse to upgrade to a D7xxx series camera. The "trauma" of seeing my D3400 being sacrificed for a spiffy new D7500 would be in show only. Hence the cheapo kit lens (replaceable used for $50) only.

I have had GAS for awhile now but have promised my wife to refrain... so we shall see. Nothing ventured nothing gained!!!!

I am all smiles here.
LMAO.... I so knew this was going to be the respon... (show quote)


You could do that and then "fudge" a little and tell the wife that things aren't working right since you sacrificed it on the alter of family.

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Aug 17, 2018 14:15:37   #
happy sailor Loc: Ontario, Canada
 
swartfort wrote:
LMAO.... I so knew this was going to be the response.... Truth be told, full disclosure, and the honest truth....

I would like nothing better than to have an excuse to upgrade to a D7xxx series camera. The "trauma" of seeing my D3400 being sacrificed for a spiffy new D7500 would be in show only. Hence the cheapo kit lens (replaceable used for $50) only.

I have had GAS for awhile now but have promised my wife to refrain... so we shall see. Nothing ventured nothing gained!!!!

I am all smiles here.
LMAO.... I so knew this was going to be the respon... (show quote)


I think it is a great idea, you have an entry level Nikon dslr what better camera (other than a Canon entry level dslr, lol) for people to try out a dslr.

We did that with our Canon Rebel XT, other people took some amazing shots,the nine year old twin granddaughters where so good they are their cameras now and I have a 6d!

Here is one of the granddaughters having her picture taken by the other one, on auto and sooc. Pretty good for a nine year old I think!

Go for it, they make some great memories.


(Download)

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Aug 17, 2018 14:21:34   #
swartfort Loc: Evansville, IN
 
happy sailor wrote:
I think it is a great idea, you have an entry level Nikon dslr what better camera (other than a Canon entry level dslr, lol) for people to try out a dslr


Ahhhhh a the heart of a kind and generous teacher. Your grandkids are lucky to have you!!!

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Aug 17, 2018 14:58:00   #
JHS Loc: Carmichael, CA
 
“P” does NOT mean “Professional”; The Nikon D850 User’s Manual, pg 128, clearly
states “P: Programmed Auto In this mode, the camera automatically adjusts shutter speed and aperture according to a built-in program to ensure optimal exposure in most situations”. Thus it is a combination of both, and takes ALL of the decisions out of your hands.

One can call it whatever one desires, however, keep in mind, that by taking the user out of the exposure decision, it does free the user from having to make such mundane exposure decisions and allows all of one’s concentration to be on the “art” aspects of the photo, so in that sense, perhaps it should mean “professional”

...just saying!

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Aug 17, 2018 15:25:27   #
GrandmaG Loc: Flat Rock, MI
 
swartfort wrote:
I continue to have issues with AUTO mode not allowing for the user to chose focal points or metering parameters. Full frame focus and wide metering on a lake is not going to give crisp images. I get those who are AUTO fans.... as I get those that are FULL MANUAL fans (fans=you know fanatics???) But the P mode (contrary to "P is for PROFESSIONAL") is designed specifically to allow some modifications. I have NEVER seen any post here espousing the benefits of the P. I wonder if any hoggers actually ever use that function.

I am a firm believer that each of the functions on the camera CAN have a use, and I am not afraid to explore them. I am not tied to any program or lack thereof, just enjoying the ability to see, learn, and grow. I'll try anything once as you can see LOL.

BTW... nothing says that at some point I cannot grab the camera back, check results, and slip it into AUTO....

I'll post any images of value when/if I get them
I continue to have issues with AUTO mode not allow... (show quote)


Personally, I do not like the "P" mode and never use it. I also agree with other posters that I would NEVER leave my camera out for others to use. If you want to upgrade your camera, then just do it. Sweet talking a spouse can bring them around. That tactic worked with my husband when I made my last camera purchase.

EDIT: Most people seem to be more comfortable taking pictures with their phones anyway; but, then you wouldn't have them. Of course, printing them poses a problem, as most don't give good prints even as a 4x6. I understand your idea though.

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Aug 17, 2018 16:15:50   #
swartfort Loc: Evansville, IN
 
JHS wrote:
“P” does NOT mean “Professional”; The Nikon D850 User’s Manual, pg 128, clearly
states “P: Programmed Auto In this mode, the camera automatically adjusts shutter speed and aperture according to a built-in program to ensure optimal exposure in most situations”. Thus it is a combination of both, and takes ALL of the decisions out of your hands.


Keep reading my friend. It will go on to explain that it can be easily altered by thumbing the command dial (get it command?), altering the shutter speed and/or the aperture, so that you can adjust to what you want quickly and easily.... allowing you to control. It sets you up for "most situations"....but you determine if you are in "most". It is a "flexible shooting mode". SO it doesn't take ALL the decisions out of your hands, but rather, in MOST situations gives you a "experienced/educated" starting point from which you can quickly and easily alter to your particular situation. As I see it, it sets the exposure triangle up for "most" situations, but allows you to alter it effectively, accurately, and very rapidly without losing valuable time. Keep reading the manual. There is so much technology in these cameras and how to best use them in all kinds of situations that I doubt anyone here will ever know and use all the capabilities these machines have.

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Aug 17, 2018 17:34:15   #
photoman022 Loc: Manchester CT USA
 
Do it!!!!! If the camera still works, tell your wife that it's not working right and you need a new camera and can get a $100 trade-in on the "broken" one. Ship the "broken" camera body to me and I'll send you $100 for it! Let me know what you think but as a reminder your "broken" camera must be in good working order for this deal to work!

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