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Aug 7, 2012 12:23:10   #
myts10 Loc: SE Ohio
 
E7 in 2 years? Ain't going to happen. In a 2 year enlistment you might make E3. During a slandered Air Force enlistment of 4 years you can make E4, E5 is very rare. You might qualify for a higher grade but there has to be an opening, in your field, service wide.
As for the other part of your statement, an 18 yr old E1 making, 27,732? If medical, room and board are including, maybe. If so, there has been a very big increase in military pay. I was in the USAF for 4 years and never had $1,000 a month cash.
And No, for the food and conditions, sacrifices and hardships, and responsibility, they will never be over paid.

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Aug 7, 2012 15:06:56   #
mwh2385 Loc: Fairfield Glade, Tennessee
 
I am a retired U.S. Air Force and I agree what you said in response to this nitwit.

After all the years of being overseas for over 13 years, I am still proud about of the fact that I defended my country and my flag. I wouldn't change any thing in my life about the time I spent in the military.

Thank you for listening.

mwh2385

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Aug 7, 2012 15:36:56   #
ole sarg Loc: south florida
 
You are not going to make E-7 in two years. Maybe 15 years. The pyramid gets very steep. The base is broad E2-E5 and then it gets more and more narrow. There are more generals than command sgt majors E 10 in the US Military.

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Aug 7, 2012 23:22:26   #
ntonkin Loc: western Upper Peninusla of Michigan
 
Most people will make E-3 in two years and some will make E-4 but not many. When deployed, you get separation pay of $200/mo. and combat pay and tax free status when in a combat zone - $250/mo. you also get hazardous duty pay if you ar in such an occupation - ie: jump status, flight status, explosive demolition, dive status etc. which ranges from $150 - $300/mo. roughly, depending on what it is that you do. A service member also gets a variable housing allowance which ranges from $1000 - $2500/ mo. depending on where your family lives and your rank. This is not taxed. You also get separate rations which runs around $160/mo. This is all from memory as I retired in early 2009.

A very sharp person should expect to make E-7 in 6-8 years depending on occupational speciality and service.

I don't think military people, in general are poorly paid. The higher ranks are quite well paid. The very low ranks are not so well paid, but the military doesn't expect low ranking people to be married, so when they elect this option, they struggle.

All ranks have access to free medical care, including eye and dental which in my opinion is quality care. Also, all ranks have access to the exchange and commissary which isn't that great, but there are savings on many items.

It is hard to put a dollar figure on the emotional cost of deployments and the extra pay could never be considered worth the stress for a person with a family .... however, a large percentage of military folks never deploy and work 8-5, five days a week with numerous 4 day weekends during the year.

In summation, I do not believe the military is underpaid. The lower ranks that are married do struggle, but they opt for this and know about it up front - as does a civilian who is young and starting out married lfe.

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Aug 7, 2012 23:56:49   #
ole sarg Loc: south florida
 
What did you retire at? How many years?

I did 6 1/2 active and 37 reserves and retired as an E8

Smartest thing I ever did. Wife and myself have basically free medical care. Her triple bi pass cost zip.

My meds are very inexpensive. Now that I started using the mail pharmacy lipitor and the diabetes pills are free. this is a savings of about 40 per month.

I was trying to remember my pay in Nam. Was a paratrooper so had jump pay, combat pay and just old pay. I think it came to about $300 per month I was an E4and promoted to E5 just as I got out but that was in 1966.

Promotions are faster now but the Army is much smaller.

Young troopers who are single have it pretty good pay wise. If they live on post they have no rent. But, you know all this. Then again if one guy shoots at you, the pay is pretty low!

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Aug 8, 2012 00:46:48   #
ntonkin Loc: western Upper Peninusla of Michigan
 
I was in the Marine Corps for 4 years during Vietnam and deployed there 69 - 70. I was a Sgt. and remember the base pay as $354/ mo. in 70.
Stayed in the reserves and went to OCS in the ARNG commissioned in 77. Graduated JFKSWC a Special Forces Officer in 85. Retired from the U.S. Forest Service in 96 and started taking IMA tours in 97. Bosnia x 2, Iraq in 03, Afghanistan in 04. Last 12 years was almost continually on active duty at CENTCOM. Promoted to LTC in 99, finally retired in 09. Wife has TRICARE and I go to the VA in Iron Mountain. 42½ yrs total service. Life is good.

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Aug 8, 2012 06:55:32   #
BW326 Loc: Boynton Beach, Florida
 
I was in Vietnam in 1966 as an E-3 and only made about $120/month (if memory serves). I was in a Marine Rifle Company and spent about 80% of my time in the bush so there were not a lot of opportunities to spend that money. We'd get paid every month in military script, and many times had nowhere to stash it except in our pockets or backpack which always seemed to get soaking wet. Once, after coming back from about 10 days in the field, many of the guys in my platoon, including myself, decided to hang all our soaking script money on nearby bushes to dry out in the sun.

A long line of bushes with money seemingly springing from each branch made for great pictures to send back home.

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Aug 8, 2012 08:17:18   #
kevindunne
 
E1-E7 in two years had to be a misprint....spent 23 yrs in the Army....it is just not possible.

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Aug 8, 2012 17:12:13   #
farnsworth52 Loc: W. Pa.
 
I tell idiots like her one thing----Pick up a weapon stand a watch and then tell me how much it's worth

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Aug 8, 2012 17:27:30   #
RixPix Loc: Miami, Florida
 
BW326 wrote:
Military Pay

This is an Airman's response to Cindy Williams' editorial piece in the Washington Post about MILITARY PAY, it should be printed in all newspapers across America .

Ms. Cindy William wrote a piece for the Washington Times denouncing the pay raise(s) coming service members' way this year citing that she stated a 1.3% wage increase was more than they deserve.

A young airman from Hill AFB responds to her article below. He ought to get a bonus for this.

"Ms Williams:

I just had the pleasure of reading your column, "Our GI's earn enough" and I am a bit confused. Frankly, I'm wondering where this vaunted overpayment is going, because as far as I can tell, it disappears every month between DFAS (The Defense Finance and Accounting Service) and my bank account. Checking my latest earnings statement I see that I make $1,117.80 before taxes per month. After taxes, I take home $874.20. When I run that through the calculator, I come up with an annual salary of $13,413.60 before taxes, and $10,490.40 after.

I work in the Air Force Network Control Center where I am part of the team responsible for a 5,000 host computer network. I am involved with infrastructure segments, specifically with Cisco Systems equipment. A quick check under jobs for "Network Technicians" in the Washington , D.C. area reveals a position in my career field, requiring three years experience in my job. Amazingly, this job does NOT pay $13,413.60 a year. No, this job is being offered at $70,000 to $80,000 per annum............ I'm sure you can draw the obvious conclusions.

Given the tenor of your column, I would assume that you NEVER had the pleasure of serving your country in her armed forces.

Before you take it upon yourself to once more castigate congressional and DOD leadership for attempting to get the families in the military's lowest pay brackets off of WIC and food stamps, I suggest that you join a group of deploying soldiers headed for AFGHANISTAN ; I leave the choice of service branch up to you. Whatever choice you make though, opt for the SIX month rotation: it will guarantee you the longest possible time away from your family and friends, thus giving you full "deployment experience."

As your group prepares to board the plane, make sure to note the spouses and children who are saying good-bye to their loved ones. Also take care to note that several families are still unsure of how they'll be able to make ends meet while the primary breadwinner is gone. Obviously they've been squandering the "vast" piles of cash the government has been giving them.

Try to deploy over a major holiday; Christmas and Thanksgiving are perennial favorites.. And when you're actually over there, sitting in a foxhole, shivering against the cold desert night, and the flight sergeant tells you that there aren't enough people on shift to relieve you for chow, remember this: trade whatever MRE's (meal-ready-to-eat) you manage to get for the tuna noodle casserole or cheese tortellini, and add Tabasco to everything. This gives some flavor.

Talk to your loved ones as often as you are permitted; it won't be nearly long enough or often enough, but take what you can get and be thankful for it. You may have picked up on the fact that I disagree with most of the points you present in your open piece.

But, tomorrow from KABUL , I will defend to the death your right to say it.

You see, I am an American fighting man, a guarantor of your First Amendment right and every other right you cherish...On a daily basis, my brother and sister soldiers worldwide ensure that you and people like you can thumb your collective noses at us, all on a salary that is nothing short of pitiful and under conditions that would make most people cringe. We hemorrhage our best and brightest into the private sector because we can't offer the stability and pay of civilian companies.

And you, Ms.. Williams, have the gall to say that we make more than we deserve?
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And If elected Mr. Romney promises additional cuts in benefits after service.

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Aug 8, 2012 19:20:33   #
ole sarg Loc: south florida
 
It is interesting conservatives like to send boys off to way but don't like to pay for the war, or take care of the soldiers after the war.

I like to call them lapel pin patriots.

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Aug 8, 2012 22:18:34   #
rayford2 Loc: New Bethlehem, PA
 
ngc1514 wrote:
It should also be kept in mind that the military pay scale is public knowledge and known before signing on the dotted line. The author of the letter freely chose a career path knowing the pay scale and knowing there were no guarantees for pay raises other than for time of service and rank.

I don't think this statement applies to draftees.

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Aug 8, 2012 22:49:30   #
tschmath Loc: Los Angeles
 
rayford2 wrote:
ngc1514 wrote:
It should also be kept in mind that the military pay scale is public knowledge and known before signing on the dotted line. The author of the letter freely chose a career path knowing the pay scale and knowing there were no guarantees for pay raises other than for time of service and rank.

I don't think this statement applies to draftees.


There hasn't been a draft in this country since 1973.

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Aug 8, 2012 23:21:42   #
ole sarg Loc: south florida
 
Where do you think the term buck private came from. They were draftees who knew they were making a dollar a day.

Drafted or enlistee you were informed of your pay the day you signed the paper.

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Aug 8, 2012 23:36:21   #
irrigator Loc: Seffner, Florida
 
ngc1514 wrote:
It should also be kept in mind that the military pay scale is public knowledge and known before signing on the dotted line. The author of the letter freely chose a career path knowing the pay scale and knowing there were no guarantees for pay raises other than for time of service and rank.


I guess the same can be said for Teachers as well.

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