Mac
Loc: Pittsburgh, Philadelphia now Hernando Co. Fl.
PrairieSeasons wrote:
Mac wrote:
I know many liberals and none are leftists. socialists, or communists. Though maybe as you say, there are some. If so certainly not as many as those terms being thrown around indicate.
You are illustrating the reason I don't like the words "conservative" or "liberal". They seem to mean what the user wants them to mean much more than a standard definition of a certain set of beliefs. We use those words because they are a convenient shorthand, but in doing so we lose the underlying meaning.
If one means anti-abortion or pro-abortion, he should use those terms rather than grouping the meanings into "conservative" or "liberal".
If one wants others to pay for his medical care or not, he should describe it that way rather than grouping those meanings into "conservative" or "liberal"
If one wants our military to be the policemen for the rest of the world (or not), he should describe it that way rather than grouping those meanings into "conservative" or "liberal"
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I see what you mean. A liberal to me might be different than what liberal means to you. During the time of Viet Nam, war supporters and opponents were called Hawks and Doves because there were Rs&Ds on both sides of the question.
I have a friend who is a Tea Party Republican who has told me I'm not a liberal, I just think I am, because some of the things I support (or don't support) don't fit her image of what a liberal is.
Mac wrote:
Joyfullee wrote:
Mac wrote:
PrairieSeasons wrote:
I'm not certain what you mean using the term "conservatives", as many seem to want to use that word as a collective noun that includes everyone with whom they disagree. That's probably OK, as most of the rest use the term "liberals" as a collective noun for the same reason.
You seem to be implying here that conservatives lie and liberals don't. If you really believe that to be the case, I will bow out of this conversation as it will lead nowhere.
What I'm talking about are things like "Death Panels", liberals being called leftists, socialists, communists. People claiming the vice president drops the f-bomb every second or third word, and so on. Take out the lies and replace them with the truth and what do you have left? nothing.
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Do a "google" search (Joe Biden and f word) and you'll find that he does indeed use this word.
So if someone puts emphasis on that truth by saying every second or third word, you're offended by that and consider it a lie.
What's wrong with that picture.
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He said it once, I've said it more than that. I can understand someone who has never said that thinking there is something wrong with saying it, but I think someone who has said it themselves and saying there is something wrong with using it is a hypocrite. And taking it and making it seem like he uses it in public on a regular basis IS a lie.
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"Out of the abundance of the heart (that's the overflow) the mouth speaks."
Nothing just "slips" out of someone's mouth. In my opinion, that's a word that's been comfortable on his lips for a long time. If anything, one could say that he lost his self-control in that moment of time.
Mac wrote:
PrairieSeasons wrote:
I'm not certain what you mean using the term "conservatives", as many seem to want to use that word as a collective noun that includes everyone with whom they disagree. That's probably OK, as most of the rest use the term "liberals" as a collective noun for the same reason.
You seem to be implying here that conservatives lie and liberals don't. If you really believe that to be the case, I will bow out of this conversation as it will lead nowhere.
What I'm talking about are things like "Death Panels", liberals being called leftists, socialists, communists. People claiming the vice president drops the f-bomb every second or third word, and so on. Take out the lies and replace them with the truth and what do you have left? nothing.
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And the liberals call the conservatives right wing radicals, fascsits, nazis, racist, stupid, illogical, and call our candidates liars. Take out all of the lies and relace it with the truth and what do liberals have? Nothing.
My statement in reference to Biden using the "f-bomb" every other word was not a lie, it was a figure of speech. As far as I am aware, he is the only vice-president, or president for that matter. to be so openly crude with his language. That is what I meant, I am sure others understood that.
Mac
Loc: Pittsburgh, Philadelphia now Hernando Co. Fl.
dtcracer wrote:
Mac wrote:
PrairieSeasons wrote:
I'm not certain what you mean using the term "conservatives", as many seem to want to use that word as a collective noun that includes everyone with whom they disagree. That's probably OK, as most of the rest use the term "liberals" as a collective noun for the same reason.
You seem to be implying here that conservatives lie and liberals don't. If you really believe that to be the case, I will bow out of this conversation as it will lead nowhere.
What I'm talking about are things like "Death Panels", liberals being called leftists, socialists, communists. People claiming the vice president drops the f-bomb every second or third word, and so on. Take out the lies and replace them with the truth and what do you have left? nothing.
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And the liberals call the conservatives right wing radicals, fascsits, nazis, racist, stupid, illogical, and call our candidates liars. Take out all of the lies and relace it with the truth and what do liberals have? Nothing.
My statement in reference to Biden using the "f-bomb" every other word was not a lie, it was a figure of speech. As far as I am aware, he is the only vice-president, or president for that matter. to be so openly crude with his language. That is what I meant, I am sure others understood that.
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I guess you've never heard of the Nixon Tapes.
I don't think so, heard she was stuck on cigar smokers!
I said it before, and I'll say it again. I think the democrat party did itself a huge injustice 4 years ago when they chose BamBam over Billary. I'm not a fan of the Clintons, but I think Hillary has forgotten more than BamBam will ever know.
Okay guys you may be just fun-ing but on a serious note, it's not about President Obama or former Governor Romney. If we learn how our government works we would realize that he who holds the purse strings, holds the power, Congress. People like to blame former President Bush and current President Obama. We the people are to blame because we keep electing the same Congressional representatives. The representatives are so busy trying to make President Obama a one term president that there is grid lock in DC and the people's business is not being done. Elect former Governor Romney and the Democrats will screw around with him. Re-elect President Obama and the Republicans will keep screwing him. We the people need to make term limits on all politicians including Supreme Court Justices. Perhaps that would get rid of the Super Pacs, all the money buying of votes and get work done for the overall benefit of our country? What you thinks? The politicians need to be reminded who they work (for)?
Pentony wrote:
Okay guys you may be just fun-ing but on a serious note, it's not about President Obama or former Governor Romney. If we learn how our government works we would realize that he who holds the purse strings, holds the power, Congress. People like to blame former President Bush and current President Obama. We the people are to blame because we keep electing the same Congressional representatives. The representatives are so busy trying to make President Obama a one term president that there is grid lock in DC and the people's business is not being done. Elect former Governor Romney and the Democrats will screw around with him. Re-elect President Obama and the Republicans will keep screwing him. We the people need to make term limits on all politicians including Supreme Court Justices. Perhaps that would get rid of the Super Pacs, all the money buying of votes and get work done for the overall benefit of our country? What you thinks? The politicians need to be reminded who they work (for)?
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There are many many many problems with the government right now but getting rid of oBummer is job 1. That is no lie.
Mac wrote:
That is a really good article, thanks for sharing it.
I am a true believer in the multi-party system and I feel that neither side has a monopoly on the best people or the best ideas. I think what we need is a viable third or even better viable fourth party. I see the Republican Party splitting in two along right wing and moderate lines. If it does that would give us three parties, though I don't know how viable the the right wing party would be on it's own. But I think we need more choices than what we have now.
I know many liberals and none are leftists. socialists, or communists. Though maybe as you say, there are some. If so certainly not as many as those terms being thrown around indicate.
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Mac, Why are you a communist?
The truth please.
Mac
Loc: Pittsburgh, Philadelphia now Hernando Co. Fl.
Jackinthebox wrote:
Mac wrote:
That is a really good article, thanks for sharing it.
I am a true believer in the multi-party system and I feel that neither side has a monopoly on the best people or the best ideas. I think what we need is a viable third or even better viable fourth party. I see the Republican Party splitting in two along right wing and moderate lines. If it does that would give us three parties, though I don't know how viable the the right wing party would be on it's own. But I think we need more choices than what we have now.
I know many liberals and none are leftists. socialists, or communists. Though maybe as you say, there are some. If so certainly not as many as those terms being thrown around indicate.
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Mac, Why are you a communist?
The truth please.
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I bet you keep the boys at the gas station in stitches.
dtcracer wrote:
Mac wrote:
PrairieSeasons wrote:
I'm not certain what you mean using the term "conservatives", as many seem to want to use that word as a collective noun that includes everyone with whom they disagree. That's probably OK, as most of the rest use the term "liberals" as a collective noun for the same reason.
You seem to be implying here that conservatives lie and liberals don't. If you really believe that to be the case, I will bow out of this conversation as it will lead nowhere.
What I'm talking about are things like "Death Panels", liberals being called leftists, socialists, communists. People claiming the vice president drops the f-bomb every second or third word, and so on. Take out the lies and replace them with the truth and what do you have left? nothing.
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And the liberals call the conservatives right wing radicals, fascsits, nazis, racist, stupid, illogical, and call our candidates liars. Take out all of the lies and relace it with the truth and what do liberals have? Nothing.
My statement in reference to Biden using the "f-bomb" every other word was not a lie, it was a figure of speech. As far as I am aware, he is the only vice-president, or president for that matter. to be so openly crude with his language. That is what I meant, I am sure others understood that.
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During the Viet Nam War President Johnson used the word on a regular basis. The term figure of speech is a cop out to cover an Intentional lie. Think you can make your point without lieing to do it.
Jackinthebox wrote:
Pentony wrote:
Okay guys you may be just fun-ing but on a serious note, it's not about President Obama or former Governor Romney. If we learn how our government works we would realize that he who holds the purse strings, holds the power, Congress. People like to blame former President Bush and current President Obama. We the people are to blame because we keep electing the same Congressional representatives. The representatives are so busy trying to make President Obama a one term president that there is grid lock in DC and the people's business is not being done. Elect former Governor Romney and the Democrats will screw around with him. Re-elect President Obama and the Republicans will keep screwing him. We the people need to make term limits on all politicians including Supreme Court Justices. Perhaps that would get rid of the Super Pacs, all the money buying of votes and get work done for the overall benefit of our country? What you thinks? The politicians need to be reminded who they work (for)?
Okay guys you may be just fun-ing but on a serious... (
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There are many many many problems with the government right now but getting rid of oBummer is job 1. That is no lie.
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Guess you would want Wee Willy Romney .in his place
frenchcoast wrote:
Guess you would want Wee Willy Romney .in his place
Not our first choice, but we can always hope for change.
PrairieSeasons wrote:
frenchcoast wrote:
Guess you would want Wee Willy Romney .in his place
Not our first choice, but we can always hope for change.
Having Wee Willie as President would be about like standing in a corner and watching a 400 pound gorilla coming toward you carrying an empty vasaline jar.
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