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Aug 8, 2018 08:43:02   #
bkyser Loc: Fly over country in Indiana
 
IR Jim wrote:
What is the wattage of your power supply? You may need a beefier one.

850 watt

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Aug 8, 2018 08:43:59   #
bkyser Loc: Fly over country in Indiana
 
TriX wrote:
When it first starts to boot, you should get a brief screen that tells you to hold down the Del key to go into the BIOS... There, you’ll find settings that deal with RAM if there are any options.

You said Windows 10, but you didn’t say whether it’s 32 or 64 bit version. Right click on the icon in the lower left corner and select control panel if that’s an option, then select system and it will tell you as well as answer the question I asked about how much USABLE memory (NOT total) is installed.
When it first starts to boot, you should get a bri... (show quote)


64 bit, thanks

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Aug 8, 2018 08:47:04   #
bkyser Loc: Fly over country in Indiana
 
BebuLamar wrote:
If it's working with 3 then dual channel memory is not enable and it should work with 4. By any chance the 4th module may be slightly different than the other 3? They did say you must have 4 identical modules if you use 4 while if you use less than 4 you don't need identical modules. Perhaps the original module is different from your new modules?


Thanks, all purchased together in one "kit."

The replacement ram stick that came in, also had the same sticker on it as the others. I hate to think that they just sent me back the same bad stick I sent them, but they are willing to send me another full set of 4 if I send them this 4 back. The vendor is in FLorida, and I don't want to wait 8 days for snail mail both ways, and a day or 2 for them to process it again, if the problem is on my end.

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Aug 8, 2018 08:48:43   #
bkyser Loc: Fly over country in Indiana
 
IR Jim wrote:
Probably not, but it's an easy check before getting into settings. Insufficient power and cheap power supplies can cause strange things.

The "first thing to check" items seems to have been covered. I would look at setting the RAM speed manually instead of AUTO in BIOS next.


Thanks Jim,
How would I do this?

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Aug 8, 2018 08:50:42   #
bkyser Loc: Fly over country in Indiana
 
Strodav wrote:
go to https://www.memtest86.com/ They have a free edition, which can be put on a bootable thumb drive. You can Google "how to build a bootable win 10 thumb drive" and you will find several ways to do it.


Thanks, I'll be checking this out. At least that way, I will know for sure if it's bad ram, or if the problem is on my end.

I can just do 2 sticks at a time, and check them all.

Thanks again.
bk

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Aug 8, 2018 08:53:13   #
bkyser Loc: Fly over country in Indiana
 
chrissybabe wrote:
One thing I have seen in the past is that the memory controller chips don't like working with too many memory banks. So if you have an 8GB chip it might be configured (done by how many chips are on each stick of memory) to give you 8GB by using either 1 or 2 (or 2 or 4) banks of memory. So your chip controllers might work fine if each memory stick of memory is single bank making a total of 4 banks. Adding more banks and the memory chip controller might not be able to operate with 8 banks but can handle 6 banks. In the old days you had to select the right number of banks by purchasing the right type of chips. I have seen 4 memory chip boards work with 2 boards with 2 banks each and 2 boards with single banks each making a total of 6 banks. It is all to do with whether the chip controllers can provide enough drive for the total number of banks. And it is not impossible there is a memory controller chip with weak drivers.
I might be inclined to see if you can find somebody who has 4 x 8GB sticks that are a different manufacturer than yours and see if they work. Of course this is only a partial solution since it probably won't be the memory sticks themselves at fault. Or try 2 x 16GB sticks to give you the 32GB as was mentioned above.
One thing I have seen in the past is that the memo... (show quote)


I didn't want to drop names, but Crucial is one of the memory sticks called out as compatible. Not being super techy, I did look into Crucial, and they seem to be one of the reputable companies. In looking at the sticks, it does have several chips on it, but that means nothing to me. The place I got it from also confirmed that it should work with my Motherboard and processor.

bk

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Aug 8, 2018 09:29:25   #
Skiextreme2 Loc: Northwest MA
 
bkyser wrote:
Hi all,
I have an AsROCK 970 extreme motherboard, with an AMD processor that can take up to 32 gb of 1866mhz ram. I can use 3 of the 8 gb sticks, in any combination of the ram slots, as long as one slot is left open, it works fine. When I put a 4th in the final slot, the screen stays black and I can't hear anything other than the fans starting up. It has an SSD and an HDD, and I can usually hear the HDD.

I sent the 4th stick to the manufacturer and got it replaced, even though they said it tested fine. Tried it again, and the same thing. I would have thought maybe it is the motherboard, but since it seems happy as long as one of the 4 slots is open, and it doesn't matter which slot. It seems to be something else? I know nothing about bios and stuff like that, but am open to any suggestions. Maybe something in the bios is configured wrong?

I've never heard of anyone trying, or actually using just 3 slots, but is there an issue with slowing down, or anything with working in that configuration? I guess 24 gig is better than the 8 I started with.

Thanks in advance. This is my main editing computer, and I just want it working at peak performance. (have several projects coming due)
Hi all, br I have an AsROCK 970 extreme motherboa... (show quote)


Just to be sure is all your memory the same manufacturer, same model, same speed and same type (DDR3 or DDR4)? If so, then, as others have said, you need to check your bios and mem config. You might want to check in Windows and see what your virtual memory settings are too.

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Aug 8, 2018 09:32:50   #
bkyser Loc: Fly over country in Indiana
 
jeep_daddy wrote:
If I were you I'd look for a phone number to the motherboard company for tech support then. It's probably something simple, but I wouldn't now what it is. Also, it may be a bad motherboard. It's about a 50/50 chance it's either.


I did try, but I can't be with my computer during work hours, so I have to do things there like here, leave a message and hope someone gets back with me (so far, they haven't)

My friends here at UHH, are much better at trying to help.

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Aug 8, 2018 09:35:26   #
bkyser Loc: Fly over country in Indiana
 
ggenova64 wrote:
Corsair or Crucial RAM


Crucial

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Aug 8, 2018 09:36:55   #
bkyser Loc: Fly over country in Indiana
 
ggenova64 wrote:
Are you using the same Manufacture of RAM? The memory has to be the same amount in each slot. For example 64GBS in each of the slots. Check out the Motherboard specs to see how much RAM the board can hold? What is the Motherboard Brand?


Thanks, answered a couple of times. Yes, checked specs before I bought the ram. Got the max, with middle of the road speed, not the slowest, not the fastest.

bk

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Aug 8, 2018 09:38:07   #
bkyser Loc: Fly over country in Indiana
 
11bravo wrote:
A number of motherboards have an led display on them that provides an error code rather than the old fashioned beeps. Not familiar with yours to know if that's applicable.

Running memtest uses a form of DOS so you eliminate windows problems. It takes a long time to run one complete pass, but it will identify problems.

You might also try an audit program, such as speccy from Piriform, to see what your memory looks like to the OS (such as timing, slots used, and a whole bunch of other stuff). Makes it easy to see if all sticks are the same. Free version is fine, but given your system won't boot, you'll have to swap sticks around.
A number of motherboards have an led display on th... (show quote)


I wish I had the digital readout.

If the memtest doesn't show any issues, then I'll try the audit program. Thanks!

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Aug 8, 2018 09:39:01   #
bkyser Loc: Fly over country in Indiana
 
jerryc41 wrote:
Motherboards are very particular about what kind of memory they use. You probably checked already, but make sure your board and your memory are compatible.

As a side note, I'm sure you can process just as well without that memory board.


Yup, that's how I picked the memory that I did. Directly from the manual.

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Aug 8, 2018 09:45:40   #
revhen Loc: By the beautiful Hudson
 
I repeat: Take it to a reputable computer consultant.

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Aug 8, 2018 11:53:51   #
rck281 Loc: Overland Park, KS
 
Call the board manufacturer or turn in a trouble ticket.

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Aug 8, 2018 12:04:04   #
RRS Loc: Not sure
 
Stardust wrote:
Not a motherboard expert but would suggest checking Bios to make sure something isn't set to limit memory, especially considering it runs with odd number of sticks (see Bebulamar post). Another scenario might be to upgrade to just two 16s, making sure you can return if your board won't work with them.


Not sure but I think that once you open and insert memory boards that they are un-returnable. You might be able to send them back for testing to see if they are good but would you want to boards that had already been used?

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