Apaflo wrote:
If you ever do high quality printing at sizes from 16x20 and up, you'll care quite a bit.
Otherwise, probably not.
I have had large prints made, quire well, actually, and I still don’t care.
jaymatt wrote:
I have had large prints made, quire well, actually, and I still don’t care.
Not just large, and not have someone else make them.
Print them yourself, and work to get the best possible results, in particular try optimizing how you sharpen an image for printing.
The trick with sharpening is choosing which way to get it precisely the best that you can.
One way is to print maybe 10 to 15 full size prints each with slightly different sharpen applied, and then choose which is best. For prints that take more than an hour or two to print that method takes a huge amount of time and is very expensive.
The other way is to create a 100% crop small enough to view on your monitor and judge the effects of sharpening on copies of that before printing. In one hour you can compare as many versions as can be done in a week the other way.
Rest assured that if you make a living selling large prints you will care!
Apaflo wrote:
Not just large, and not have someone else make them.
Print them yourself, and work to get the best possible results, in particular try optimizing how you sharpen an image for printing.
The trick with sharpening is choosing which way to get it precisely the best that you can.
One way is to print maybe 10 to 15 full size prints each with slightly different sharpen applied, and then choose which is best. For prints that take more than an hour or two to print that method takes a huge amount of time and is very expensive.
The other way is to create a 100% crop small enough to view on your monitor and judge the effects of sharpening on copies of that before printing. In one hour you can compare as many versions as can be done in a week the other way.
Rest assured that if you make a living selling large prints you will care!
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1. I can’t afford a printer for large photos nor the ink involved, so I will continue to have labs print my photos.
2. I am a hobbyist and have no interest in selling photos professionally.
3. Ergo, I still don’t care.
OMG, my head is about to explode!
nimbushopper wrote:
OMG, my head is about to explode!
I can understand that.
The whole thing is getting rather sublime, isn’t it?
That's fine, Streets. However, you and small select microcosm of folks might understand what a 100% crop is.
--Bob
Streets wrote:
This term is one of the most subjective in all of Photography, so I am going to set everyone straight. From this day forward I will proclaim a 100% crop to be an uncropped image. Thus, a 50% crop is one that has half the pixel count, and a 25% crop will have 1/4 of the pixel count of the original image. Now, does everyone agree? I just can't wait for all the good, respectful replies that are sure to come.
jaymatt wrote:
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3. Ergo, I still don’t care.
But you are asking why anyone should care if it makes no difference to you.
The fact is that for some people it is and should be a huge concern, even if you don't care.
rmalarz wrote:
That's fine, Streets. However, you and small select microcosm of folks might understand what a 100% crop is.
--Bob
And some will go to their graves unable to distinguish cropping from resizing. Or the difference between a green house and a greenhouse.
There is irony is in his statement, "Why do you argue topics you know nothing about?"
JCam
Loc: MD Eastern Shore
Streets wrote:
This term is one of the most subjective in all of Photography, so I am going to set everyone straight. From this day forward I will proclaim a 100% crop to be an uncropped image. Thus, a 50% crop is one that has half the pixel count, and a 25% crop will have 1/4 of the pixel count of the original image. Now, does everyone agree? I just can't wait for all the good, respectful replies that are sure to come.
I agree that the term is misleading, and is 100%
inaccurate, but neither can I accept an erroneous use of percentages. Let me offer an example: you are alone and walking down some dark street in some not particularly reputable part of town and someone decides he needs your camera more than you and pulls a weapon--knife, pistol, club, whatever--from under his coat and tells you to give him 100% of your camera equipment; maybe he didn't pau attention to his 5th grade English or Math teachers. Hopefully you decide that your well being and possibly life is worth more than all the stuff he wants so you immediately hand it all (100%) over to him. You have just given him all of the equipment you were carrying and now have nothing--zero, nada, zilch--left. To strain the Queen's English a bit you have just "cropped" your equipment by 100% and have nothing left with you
! That is the same reduction as a 100% crop of a photo; there is nothing left! 100% of any number of pixels is all of them so if you do such a crop you would only have a blank sheet left.
WRITE THIS DOWN 100% OF ANYTHING EQUALS ALL OF IT! Always has been and always will be! Even the "New Math" that they tried to cram down our kids throats fifty years ago hasn't changed it. and it didn't take the kids long to figure it out.
JCam wrote:
I agree that the term is misleading, and is 100%
inaccurate, but neither can I accept an erroneous use of percentages. Let me offer an example: you are alone and walking down some dark street in some not particularly reputable part of town and someone decides he needs your camera more than you and pulls a weapon--knife, pistol, club, whatever--from under his coat and tells you to give him 100% of your camera equipment; maybe he didn't pau attention to his 5th grade English or Math teachers. Hopefully you decide that your well being and possibly life is worth more than all the stuff he wants so you immediately hand it all (100%) over to him. You have just given him all of the equipment you were carrying and now have nothing--zero, nada, zilch--left. To strain the Queen's English a bit you have just "cropped" your equipment by 100% and have nothing left with you
! That is the same reduction as a 100% crop of a photo; there is nothing left! 100% of any number of pixels is all of them so if you do such a crop you would only have a blank sheet left.
WRITE THIS DOWN 100% OF ANYTHING EQUALS ALL OF IT! Always has been and always will be! Even the "New Math" that they tried to cram down our kids throats fifty years ago hasn't changed it. and it didn't take the kids long to figure it out.
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There are exceptions to everything. Consider this - if you are viewing a photo on your monitor at 100%, you probably aren't seeing all of the image.
Retina
Loc: Near Charleston,SC
Apaflo wrote:
But you are asking why anyone should care if it makes no difference to you.
The fact is that for some people it is and should be a huge concern, even if you don't care.
I care and I learned something. 100% Crop is one of those terms that is not intuitive or obvious to all. It struck me as an informal or de facto term and not worth looking up, but I was wrong. Having worked with screen resolution, font dimensions, and image files in writing browser scripts before, it now makes sense how it would be used to display image files where fine details matter. Good discussion.
JohnSwanda wrote:
There are exceptions to everything. Consider this - if you are viewing a photo on your monitor at 100%, you probably aren't seeing all of the image.
Not an exception.
It has been both resized (to one screen pixel per image pixel) and cropped by the limits of your monitor to show only part of the image. Simple, isn't it?
wdross
Loc: Castle Rock, Colorado
JohnSwanda wrote:
I have never heard of anyone referring to an uncropped image as a 100% crop. It seems to me that "100% crop" is an oxymoron. If it is 100% of the image, it is not a crop.
I still think we have some UHH member that will benefit when talking about 25%, 50%, 70%, etc. crop that would from the use of 100% crop since it is all in %. For some of us that use math every day, it may be a bit of an oxymoron. But that is not everybody.
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