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Aug 7, 2018 10:06:33   #
AndyH Loc: Massachusetts and New Hampshire
 
steve49 wrote:

In our town the town employees work to clear out drains, etc... and it can be an every day job.


The local DPW crews do a fine job. Unfortunately their responsibility does not extend to state highways, and the state's highway maintenance system is so underfunded (we have no sales or income tax), that I would likely be dead or under water by the time they were able to get here.

Andy

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Aug 7, 2018 10:34:31   #
ayersrl Loc: Palm Beach Gardens,Fl
 
Since you aren't allowed to use firearms in the city limits, have you thought about a bow and arrows, or a crossbow? If you know where the entrances and exits are, leg traps are an option. Anchor them below the water level and check once a week.They worked well on groundhogs, and aren't beavers just groundhogs who like to swim?

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Aug 7, 2018 10:40:35   #
AndyH Loc: Massachusetts and New Hampshire
 
ayersrl wrote:
Since you aren't allowed to use firearms in the city limits, have you thought about a bow and arrows, or a crossbow? If you know where the entrances and exits are, leg traps are an option. Anchor them below the water level and check once a week.They worked well on groundhogs, and aren't beavers just groundhogs who like to swim?


Leg traps are illegal just about everywhere, certainly here. I'm a do-it-yourself kinda guy, but I have to face the fact that I'm a sixty five year old man, who is neither willing nor able to stand watch all through the night in hip deep water with a bow or crossbow.

The trapper will charge ten bucks per trap per day, plus a bounty of forty bucks when he catches one of them. I'll take down the dam, install a beaver pipe or siphon to prevent squatters from moving into the abandoned lodge, and eventually, when the water table is much lower, maybe bring in a bobcat to take down the lodge completely.


Andy

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Aug 7, 2018 11:19:53   #
goofybruce
 
Andy;

When I lived in New York (I'm a NH native, BTW) their conservation folks, working with transportation, devised some different workarounds that let the beavers stay, but kept the water level manageable.
Beavers hate the sound of running water so they rush to "dam" it up. One of the workarounds was a pipe system which siphoned water either through the dam or up and over, with the pipe ending down the culvert. The inlet and outlet of the pipe had to be far enough from the dam so the beavers wouldn't plug it up.
Another idea was to construct a curved fence which kept the beavers' dam further away from the culvert. The idea was to make it so the beaver dam would be too long for them to construct and maintain and they would abandon the project.

I'm sure there are other ways that can be found on-line through a Google search.

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Aug 7, 2018 11:29:16   #
bwana Loc: Bergen, Alberta, Canada
 
AndyH wrote:
They're no joke...

Our 200 year old house is surrounded by ten acres of woods, including quite a bit of swampland. More than two decades ago, the state created beaver heaven by building an elevated highway that created a natural hundred foot high dam at the edge of the wetland. They somehow decided that the more than two acres of upstream wetland could be sufficiently drained by a single, yeah really, single 3 foot diameter culvert, creating a paradise for the buck toothed little rodents to move right in.

We've had our share of high water over the years, but this time we also got well over 12 inches of rainfall in a few days, creating a flood that threatened our ability to stay in the house - nowhere to pump the water in the cellar, which rose over our furnace and hot water heater, and was within less than two feet of the main electric service.

So for the past three days, I've been trying to demolish the beaver dam faster than they can rebuild it. This involves hiking two thirds of a mile chest deep in swampwater, then spending two hours with shovel, pickaxe, and hands, tearing down about ten feet of their dam, while the rushing water behind you threatens to push you face first down the culvert. You can only get it so far until the water rises to the top of the culvert and threatens to suck you in, so then it's hike back to the house, wait two or three hours for the water level to drop, then go back and spend another couple hours digging. I've spent about twenty hours doing this over the past three days, and look like Captain Willard wading in the river in Apocalypse Now. After looking at the topo maps and doing some calculation, I think that I singlehandedly drained about 1.3 million gallons of water through that three foot hole over the last four days. We will have trappers come in the next couple days to remove the little critters from their lodge, and there's no heavy rain in the forecast for a few days.

But I'm wondering how long it will be until the lodge has new tenants, and what we can do to permanently solve the problem, or at least reduce it. I've been reading up on beaver pipes, drains, siphons, and various other methods, but I'm looking for real world experiences.

So I'm posting the question here, as well as on a number of other fora and social media. We seem to have a lot of rural members, including a lot from areas susceptible to beavers.

Any ideas, hive mind?

Andy
They're no joke... br br Our 200 year old house i... (show quote)

We have several families of beavers on our ranch. They expand their territory every year and the country simply keeps removing them as they infringe upon culverts and roads. Once or twice a year the country brings in a large backhoe and removes dams at or close to culverts and shoots the "trespassing" beavers.

As far as the beavers and their dams go, there are pros and cons. The pros are flood control and wildlife. Without their dams we wouldn't have nearly the water supply for our cattle or the large community of waterfowl. The cons are, of course, the damage to trees and water backed up where you don't want it. We simply manage the beavers like we would any other animal!

bwa

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Aug 7, 2018 11:54:06   #
AndyH Loc: Massachusetts and New Hampshire
 
Thanks again, guys... I've been googling and researching all week, and I think I know what has to happen.

Let me reiterate, this was not originally a beaver problem, it was a highway engineering problem, when you build a mile-long, 100 foot high dam with a single three foot culvert as a spillway, you are creating a beaver honeypot - an invitation to build that no beaver could possibly resist. That's how you get 1.3 million gallons of water backed up in the first place. We can, and will, remove the beavers from our side of the property line with a non-lethal, legal trapper. I will clear the culvert and section of dam next to it to the proper depth to allow the water to flow without flooding the neighborhood.

At that point, I will just have to see if, say, a 22 foot section of perforated 6" PVC with an elbow and a two foot extension "L" just happens to fall down the embankment and lodge itself in the notch of the dam, or impale itself on a fencepost or two with the elbow pointing down. If it happens to, problem solved long term. For about thirty bucks worth of plastic, no equipment, and no help from the state. I'm hoping that it will, but no guarantees.

Andy

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Aug 7, 2018 12:21:59   #
bwana Loc: Bergen, Alberta, Canada
 
AndyH wrote:
Thanks again, guys... I've been googling and researching all week, and I think I know what has to happen.

Let me reiterate, this was not originally a beaver problem, it was a highway engineering problem, when you build a mile-long, 100 foot high dam with a single three foot culvert as a spillway, you are creating a beaver honeypot - an invitation to build that no beaver could possibly resist. That's how you get 1.3 million gallons of water backed up in the first place. We can, and will, remove the beavers from our side of the property line with a non-lethal, legal trapper. I will clear the culvert and section of dam next to it to the proper depth to allow the water to flow without flooding the neighborhood.

At that point, I will just have to see if, say, a 22 foot section of perforated 6" PVC with an elbow and a two foot extension "L" just happens to fall down the embankment and lodge itself in the notch of the dam, or impale itself on a fencpost or two with the elbow pointing down. If it happens to, problem solved long term. For about thirty bucks worth of plastic, no equipment, and no help from the state. I'm hoping that it will, but no guarantees.

Andy
Thanks again, guys... I've been googling and resea... (show quote)

6" PVC is not going to drain the water a 3' culvert can handle! bwa

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Aug 7, 2018 12:28:45   #
jeep_daddy Loc: Prescott AZ
 
Dynomite.

AndyH wrote:
They're no joke...

Our 200 year old house is surrounded by ten acres of woods, including quite a bit of swampland. More than two decades ago, the state created beaver heaven by building an elevated highway that created a natural hundred foot high dam at the edge of the wetland. They somehow decided that the more than two acres of upstream wetland could be sufficiently drained by a single, yeah really, single 3 foot diameter culvert, creating a paradise for the buck toothed little rodents to move right in.

We've had our share of high water over the years, but this time we also got well over 12 inches of rainfall in a few days, creating a flood that threatened our ability to stay in the house - nowhere to pump the water in the cellar, which rose over our furnace and hot water heater, and was within less than two feet of the main electric service.

So for the past three days, I've been trying to demolish the beaver dam faster than they can rebuild it. This involves hiking two thirds of a mile chest deep in swampwater, then spending two hours with shovel, pickaxe, and hands, tearing down about ten feet of their dam, while the rushing water behind you threatens to push you face first down the culvert. You can only get it so far until the water rises to the top of the culvert and threatens to suck you in, so then it's hike back to the house, wait two or three hours for the water level to drop, then go back and spend another couple hours digging. I've spent about twenty hours doing this over the past three days, and look like Captain Willard wading in the river in Apocalypse Now. After looking at the topo maps and doing some calculation, I think that I singlehandedly drained about 1.3 million gallons of water through that three foot hole over the last four days. We will have trappers come in the next couple days to remove the little critters from their lodge, and there's no heavy rain in the forecast for a few days.


But I'm wondering how long it will be until the lodge has new tenants, and what we can do to permanently solve the problem, or at least reduce it. I've been reading up on beaver pipes, drains, siphons, and various other methods, but I'm looking for real world experiences.


So I'm posting the question here, as well as on a number of other fora and social media. We seem to have a lot of rural members, including a lot from areas susceptible to beavers.


Any ideas, hive mind?


Andy
They're no joke... br br Our 200 year old house i... (show quote)

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Aug 7, 2018 12:43:07   #
AndyH Loc: Massachusetts and New Hampshire
 
bwana wrote:
6" PVC is not going to drain the water a 3' culvert can handle! bwa


Doesn't have to. It's a matter of maintaining the level at an appropriate level behind the beaver dam, not bringing water level down to the bottom of the culvert. Eventually, old or new beavers will rebuild the dam, but as long as there is a constant flow, the beavers will get their pond, it will sink below the L level during low water times, and any flood periods will drain off within a day or so, using a single 6" beaver pipe. Some of the experts recommend two separate pipes, but more for redundancy and backup in case of failure. I have learned far, far more about this subject this week than I could have ever imagined.

Andy

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Aug 7, 2018 12:55:26   #
AndyH Loc: Massachusetts and New Hampshire
 
newtoyou wrote:
If you are adventurous, they are mild meat when done right. Ask Danl Boon to clean it for you. Young are more tender. Good luck. Bill


newtoyou wrote:
They are good eating and WILL NOT probably leave any time soon. Tree's will start to suffer as they store for the winter. No sense wasting the animal. Bill



And the State of Vermont has recipes in its official guide to Best Practices for beaver management. See Page 13.

http://dec.vermont.gov/sites/dec/files/wsm/wetlands/docs/Best_Management_Practices_for_Human-Beaver_Conflicts.pdf

I love meatloaf!

Andy

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Aug 7, 2018 12:59:13   #
olemikey Loc: 6 mile creek, Spacecoast Florida
 
Linda From Maine wrote:
Yakima has a series of canals for in-town irrigation. Sometimes beavers decide that people's backyards are more appealing than out of town wetlands. Those expensive, non-native trees must be mighty tasty.


That approach looks great, how well do they work Linda?

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Aug 7, 2018 14:08:48   #
bwana Loc: Bergen, Alberta, Canada
 
AndyH wrote:
Doesn't have to. It's a matter of maintaining the level at an appropriate level behind the beaver dam, not bringing water level down to the bottom of the culvert. Eventually, old or new beavers will rebuild the dam, but as long as there is a constant flow, the beavers will get their pond, it will sink below the L level during low water times, and any flood periods will drain off within a day or so, using a single 6" beaver pipe. Some of the experts recommend two separate pipes, but more for redundancy and backup in case of failure. I have learned far, far more about this subject this week than I could have ever imagined.

Andy
Doesn't have to. It's a matter of maintaining the ... (show quote)

Good luck with your beaver "management". They're sneaky rodents but Grizzly bears keep ours (mostly) under control.

bwa

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Aug 7, 2018 14:25:14   #
AndyH Loc: Massachusetts and New Hampshire
 
bwana wrote:
Good luck with your beaver "management". They're sneaky rodents but Grizzly bears keep ours (mostly) under control.

bwa


Yes they are!

I checked with our local ag people, and researched a few local projects that have used these techniques successfully. The main "tricks" are avoiding noisy rushing outfalls, setting up the inlets so that they are horizontal and down facing in some manner, and setting the locations so that the outflow is high enough to maintain flow but low enough not to create an obvious attraction. It is much easier than I imagined - beavers can't really work from the downstream side. One or two six inch pipes ought to do the trick, and the more they build them into the dam, the more effective it will be. You just can't drain the land completely, but we don't want to!


We are not in grizzly country, but we've had black bears often over the past few years. I wonder if that's why Bucky and his friends haven't bothered us much in a number of years?

Trapper John says he'll have two traps set tomorrow and expects that Operation "Beaver Stew" will take less than a week. I'm hoping he's right; my body isn't up to another day like Saturday or Sunday for a couple more days!


Andy

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Aug 7, 2018 14:37:51   #
Linda From Maine Loc: Yakima, Washington
 
olemikey wrote:
That approach looks great, how well do they work Linda?
Sorry, I should have explained the photos better! The barriers against which the beavers are resting are there all the time. They are to catch debris, including the stray child or dog that falls into the canals

What stopped the beavers was removal (hopefully to a relocated spot, but I can't say for sure).

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Aug 7, 2018 14:53:10   #
GED Loc: North central Pa
 
Linda From Maine wrote:
Yakima has a series of canals for in-town irrigation. Sometimes beavers decide that people's backyards are more appealing than out of town wetlands. Those expensive, non-native trees must be mighty tasty.


That irrigation system is really interesting, the town is to be commended for a project like that. We have a hard time just getting our road maintained! I suppose Linda is referring to the gourmet trees, they do appear to be upscale beavers.

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