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Aug 6, 2012 02:41:23   #
eskiles Loc: Palmer Alaska
 
This discussion has shifted from faith to God.
Everyone has their view of God! There is nothing wrong with this. I think, When someone finds their personal relationship they feel they must help everyone find the same relationship. While some people find this type of fellowship an ok thing others are on a different journey to enlightenment and don't necessarily want an in your face type of witness. Be joyus in your relationship and if someone asks for your viewpoint then you can feel free to talk to them. I find a lot of overzealous people trying to force their beliefs on others. Let God speak to them and maybe they will come to the same view as you but, if they don't, respect their journey and both of you may end up as friends afterall.

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Aug 6, 2012 07:08:34   #
ngc1514 Loc: Atlanta, Ga., Lancaster, Oh. and Stuart, Fl.
 
Lyn Buchanan wrote:
A workman is building a building - which right now is only girders. He is on the 30th floor and has to walk across a plank put up between the girders. He >>thinks<< that they wouldn't have put the board there if it wouldn't hold him up. He >>hopes<< it will hold him up. Then, he sees someone else heavier than he is walk across the board. Now, he >>knows<< it will hold him up. But when he steps out onto the board... that's faith.

Naw.. It's trust and probabilities again.

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Aug 6, 2012 07:14:23   #
Chuy Loc: OUT OF TOWN
 
The Bible is a book of code. The 7 day week was established as part of a code. the Bible tells us that to God one day is as a thousand years and a thousand years is as a day. This would reveal Gods time table of 7 thousand years. The 6 days of creation represent mans 6 thouand years of free choice. At the end of this 6 thousand years comes the rapture. The raptured will spend one thousand years in the heavily state,after that is the return to earth for the judgment. The last thousand years represents the Sabbath which the christians of today dismiss with out a thought. Of course this is the short of it. Believe what you want.

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Aug 6, 2012 10:20:07   #
Bangee5 Loc: Louisiana
 
Chewy, This is way people have a problem with the Bible and coming to terms with their Faith in God. ngc1514 is at one extream and you the other. You could have said that "to me the Bible is like a Code Book..." 'Cause chewy, to me the bible is not a code book. It is more than just a book. It is a lot of books in one. And really, I do not know where you are coming from with this Idea.

Keep an open mind and follow this link, http://letusreason.org/current7.htm

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Aug 6, 2012 10:23:08   #
Bangee5 Loc: Louisiana
 
eskiles wrote:
This discussion has shifted from faith to God.
Everyone has their view of God! There is nothing wrong with this. I think, When someone finds their personal relationship they feel they must help everyone find the same relationship. While some people find this type of fellowship an ok thing others are on a different journey to enlightenment and don't necessarily want an in your face type of witness. Be joyus in your relationship and if someone asks for your viewpoint then you can feel free to talk to them. I find a lot of overzealous people trying to force their beliefs on others. Let God speak to them and maybe they will come to the same view as you but, if they don't, respect their journey and both of you may end up as friends afterall.
This discussion has shifted from faith to God. br... (show quote)


The discussion is still about FAITH, Faith in God.

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Aug 6, 2012 10:24:08   #
jim charron Loc: Ontario Canada
 
RiverNan wrote:
love is the answer...
here on earth
no matter what you believe
its there deep in your heart
look for it
spread it
I have FAITH that within that 50,000 years
everyone will know it
act on it
and be it.
But im glad i wont be around to see what it takes
to get there.


Bible does say, Love is the fulfilment of the law!

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Aug 6, 2012 10:40:58   #
Chuy Loc: OUT OF TOWN
 
Bangee5 wrote:
Chewy, This is way people have a problem with the Bible and coming to terms with their Faith in God. ngc1514 is at one extream and you the other. You could have said that "to me the Bible is like a Code Book..." 'Cause chewy, to me the bible is not a code book. It is more than just a book. It is a lot of books in one. And really, I do not know where you are coming from with this Idea.

Keep an open mind and follow this link, http://letusreason.org/current7.htm


Matthew 13:10-15 I beiieve you fit here sir..

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Aug 6, 2012 11:25:16   #
UP-2-IT Loc: RED STICK, LA
 
chewy wrote:
Bangee5 wrote:
Chewy, This is way people have a problem with the Bible and coming to terms with their Faith in God. ngc1514 is at one extream and you the other. You could have said that "to me the Bible is like a Code Book..." 'Cause chewy, to me the bible is not a code book. It is more than just a book. It is a lot of books in one. And really, I do not know where you are coming from with this Idea.

Keep an open mind and follow this link, http://letusreason.org/current7.htm


Matthew 13:10-15 I beiieve you fit here sir..
quote=Bangee5 Chewy, This is way people have a pr... (show quote)


Careful Chewy, have you forgotten the Bible warns against judging people?

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Aug 6, 2012 11:32:10   #
Chuy Loc: OUT OF TOWN
 
frenchcoast wrote:
chewy wrote:
Bangee5 wrote:
Chewy, This is way people have a problem with the Bible and coming to terms with their Faith in God. ngc1514 is at one extream and you the other. You could have said that "to me the Bible is like a Code Book..." 'Cause chewy, to me the bible is not a code book. It is more than just a book. It is a lot of books in one. And really, I do not know where you are coming from with this Idea.

Keep an open mind and follow this link, http://letusreason.org/current7.htm


Matthew 13:10-15 I beiieve you fit here sir..
quote=Bangee5 Chewy, This is way people have a pr... (show quote)


Careful Chewy, have you forgotten the Bible warns against judging people?
quote=chewy quote=Bangee5 Chewy, This is way peo... (show quote)


That is not a judgment,It is an educated guess.

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Aug 6, 2012 11:40:29   #
Bangee5 Loc: Louisiana
 
chewy wrote:
frenchcoast wrote:
chewy wrote:
Bangee5 wrote:
Chewy, This is way people have a problem with the Bible and coming to terms with their Faith in God. ngc1514 is at one extream and you the other. You could have said that "to me the Bible is like a Code Book..." 'Cause chewy, to me the bible is not a code book. It is more than just a book. It is a lot of books in one. And really, I do not know where you are coming from with this Idea.

Keep an open mind and follow this link, http://letusreason.org/current7.htm


Matthew 13:10-15 I beiieve you fit here sir..
quote=Bangee5 Chewy, This is way people have a pr... (show quote)


Careful Chewy, have you forgotten the Bible warns against judging people?
quote=chewy quote=Bangee5 Chewy, This is way peo... (show quote)


That is not a judgment,It is an educated guess.
quote=frenchcoast quote=chewy quote=Bangee5 Che... (show quote)


Just a little mis-understanding, no hard feelings. chewy is still our brother in Christ, right chewy?

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Aug 6, 2012 11:52:25   #
docrob Loc: Durango, Colorado
 
Bangee5 wrote:
chewy wrote:
frenchcoast wrote:
chewy wrote:
Bangee5 wrote:
Chewy, This is way people have a problem with the Bible and coming to terms with their Faith in God. ngc1514 is at one extream and you the other. You could have said that "to me the Bible is like a Code Book..." 'Cause chewy, to me the bible is not a code book. It is more than just a book. It is a lot of books in one. And really, I do not know where you are coming from with this Idea.

Keep an open mind and follow this link, http://letusreason.org/current7.htm


Matthew 13:10-15 I beiieve you fit here sir..
quote=Bangee5 Chewy, This is way people have a pr... (show quote)


Careful Chewy, have you forgotten the Bible warns against judging people?
quote=chewy quote=Bangee5 Chewy, This is way peo... (show quote)


That is not a judgment,It is an educated guess.
quote=frenchcoast quote=chewy quote=Bangee5 Che... (show quote)


Just a little mis-understanding, no hard feelings. chewy is still our brother in Christ, right chewy?
quote=chewy quote=frenchcoast quote=chewy quot... (show quote)


Chewy looks more like a sister........???

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Aug 6, 2012 14:03:07   #
DennisK Loc: Pickle City,Illinois
 
docrob wrote:
Bangee5 wrote:
chewy wrote:
frenchcoast wrote:
chewy wrote:
Bangee5 wrote:
Chewy, This is way people have a problem with the Bible and coming to terms with their Faith in God. ngc1514 is at one extream and you the other. You could have said that "to me the Bible is like a Code Book..." 'Cause chewy, to me the bible is not a code book. It is more than just a book. It is a lot of books in one. And really, I do not know where you are coming from with this Idea.

Keep an open mind and follow this link, http://letusreason.org/current7.htm


Matthew 13:10-15 I beiieve you fit here sir..
quote=Bangee5 Chewy, This is way people have a pr... (show quote)


Careful Chewy, have you forgotten the Bible warns against judging people?
quote=chewy quote=Bangee5 Chewy, This is way peo... (show quote)


That is not a judgment,It is an educated guess.
quote=frenchcoast quote=chewy quote=Bangee5 Che... (show quote)


Just a little mis-understanding, no hard feelings. chewy is still our brother in Christ, right chewy?
quote=chewy quote=frenchcoast quote=chewy quot... (show quote)


Chewy looks more like a sister........???
quote=Bangee5 quote=chewy quote=frenchcoast qu... (show quote)


Ummm that's probably just his avatar.Do you think I'm really a talking (typing) flower?

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Aug 6, 2012 14:45:14   #
docrob Loc: Durango, Colorado
 
DennisK wrote:
docrob wrote:
Bangee5 wrote:
chewy wrote:
frenchcoast wrote:
chewy wrote:
Bangee5 wrote:
Chewy, This is way people have a problem with the Bible and coming to terms with their Faith in God. ngc1514 is at one extream and you the other. You could have said that "to me the Bible is like a Code Book..." 'Cause chewy, to me the bible is not a code book. It is more than just a book. It is a lot of books in one. And really, I do not know where you are coming from with this Idea.

Keep an open mind and follow this link, http://letusreason.org/current7.htm


Matthew 13:10-15 I beiieve you fit here sir..
quote=Bangee5 Chewy, This is way people have a pr... (show quote)


Careful Chewy, have you forgotten the Bible warns against judging people?
quote=chewy quote=Bangee5 Chewy, This is way peo... (show quote)


That is not a judgment,It is an educated guess.
quote=frenchcoast quote=chewy quote=Bangee5 Che... (show quote)


Just a little mis-understanding, no hard feelings. chewy is still our brother in Christ, right chewy?
quote=chewy quote=frenchcoast quote=chewy quot... (show quote)


Chewy looks more like a sister........???
quote=Bangee5 quote=chewy quote=frenchcoast qu... (show quote)


Ummm that's probably just his avatar.Do you think I'm really a talking (typing) flower?
quote=docrob quote=Bangee5 quote=chewy quote=f... (show quote)


no but why would a guy use an avatar of a girl? I mean I can see where a person might want to use a flower to represent them.........or maybe a fire hose or a peacock, possible a kitchen roach or maybe something astrological........

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Aug 6, 2012 15:13:34   #
dtcracer
 
docrob wrote:
DennisK wrote:
docrob wrote:
Bangee5 wrote:
chewy wrote:
frenchcoast wrote:
chewy wrote:
Bangee5 wrote:
Chewy, This is way people have a problem with the Bible and coming to terms with their Faith in God. ngc1514 is at one extream and you the other. You could have said that "to me the Bible is like a Code Book..." 'Cause chewy, to me the bible is not a code book. It is more than just a book. It is a lot of books in one. And really, I do not know where you are coming from with this Idea.

Keep an open mind and follow this link, http://letusreason.org/current7.htm


Matthew 13:10-15 I beiieve you fit here sir..
quote=Bangee5 Chewy, This is way people have a pr... (show quote)


Careful Chewy, have you forgotten the Bible warns against judging people?
quote=chewy quote=Bangee5 Chewy, This is way peo... (show quote)


That is not a judgment,It is an educated guess.
quote=frenchcoast quote=chewy quote=Bangee5 Che... (show quote)


Just a little mis-understanding, no hard feelings. chewy is still our brother in Christ, right chewy?
quote=chewy quote=frenchcoast quote=chewy quot... (show quote)


Chewy looks more like a sister........???
quote=Bangee5 quote=chewy quote=frenchcoast qu... (show quote)


Ummm that's probably just his avatar.Do you think I'm really a talking (typing) flower?
quote=docrob quote=Bangee5 quote=chewy quote=f... (show quote)


no but why would a guy use an avatar of a girl? I mean I can see where a person might want to use a flower to represent them.........or maybe a fire hose or a peacock, possible a kitchen roach or maybe something astrological........
quote=DennisK quote=docrob quote=Bangee5 quote... (show quote)


Maybe it is his wife, girlfriend, or daughter.

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Aug 6, 2012 18:44:12   #
RixPix Loc: Miami, Florida
 
Bangee5 wrote:
marcomarks wrote:
Bangee5 wrote:
"You are not betraying God or Jesus to question the validity of a book that mainstream Christianity uses to retain power and authority over you"
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I do not have to question something that I believe to be true. I welcome the Power (of the Holy Spirit) and the Authorithy (of God through Jesus Christ) that is over me.

The only question you have to answer for yourself is do YOU believe there is a God. If you don't, don't sweat it. If you do believe then seek. If you want help then reach out.

The Christian Church (I am Baptist) dosenot have Authority over anyone. I come and go as I please. My Life is my own, I worship God where and how I please. Why and How? Because I am the Church. You do not understand this 'cause you pretend to know something that you do not know.
"You are not betraying God or Jesus to questi... (show quote)


Yes, that's right... you don't have to question something you believe to be true. Some people also believe the WWE is real wrestling and not choreographed violent dance routines then buy every pay-per-view they put out, but that doesn't make it real wrestling.

There are those of us who do question things because we refuse to take them at face value just because somebody (mainstream religions in this case) tells us it is true. The Bible makes it obvious, to those who can discern truth and untruth, that it's conflicted, opinionated by man, mistranslated, changed by men in power through the centuries, and has far too many things incorrect that are archaeologically-proven to be wrong.

If you truly have the power of the Holy Spirit over you, you are given discernment of what's right and wrong. You have discernment of what's good or evil. You have discernment of what is true or not true. The only reason you wouldn't is if you are intentionally wearing blinders to shield yourself from what man-made religion tells you is evil heresy. Man-made religion tells you to not question the Bible because they don't want you to learn that what they teach is not what you need to truly find God.

Man-made Christianity has a phrase used thousands of times per day in every church that goes something like this, "We cannot question the _________ (insert acts of, words of, desires of) of God because it isn't meant for us to understand these things until we are in heaven." The ultimate cop-out that translates into: "As a trained church leader in our denomination, I don't have a clue why this happened because it doesn't match what I was taught, so we'll make it an unsolvable mystery."

Fortunately, most things that God does or allows are easily explainable, and things that God did not do are explainable as well, if you pull your blinders off and see what's truly going on, what God wants from us, and who God is. I firmly believe that religions, made by man, and the biblical books, written by man, lead many seekers of truth astray. These leave many questioning what they were told, doubting the validity of what they got as answers, and sometimes even causing them to reject God all together. Many an Atheist has been birthed via a path of coming through organized Christianity and a realization that the Bible was whacked out. And that's unfortunate.

I assume you're talking at me about not knowing I am the Church. That's very presumptuous for you to say that I don't understand it. Because I don't fear being an individual (one of multi-millions in fact) who seeks truth and walks a self-disciplined path in this life that leads to God and eternal life, and because I have a clear understanding of what God is, what Jesus' core message really was, and more understanding of the spirit world than is ever found in mainstream Christianity - I know better than most what "the Church" is. "The Church" are those individuals who don't let an organized religious hoax intercede in the God-man individual relationship that each of us can seek and have.

I'm not going to say "I'm a Baptist" or "I'm a Methodist" as a badge of honor to prove I worship in line with the rest of the mainstream so my theology is approved by them. If someone asks, I tell them I'm a Gnostic Christian who searches and grows independently. God lets me have pieces of the jigsaw puzzle of life as I go along and it's up to me to put them together and see the big picture. That works very well for me.

I mentioned it before in another debate thread, but I learned that President Thomas Jefferson, called a Christian by some and a heretic by others, determined for himself that the New Testament was a crock. He opened a Bible, cut out all the sayings attributed to Jesus, laid them on a table, and picked all the ones that fit with the true personality and teachings of love that Jesus was and most likely actually said. He then pasted those into a blank book and that became his Bible to live by. His "Christian" friends and acquaintances then called him a heretic and other choice names while shunning and turning away from him, but he stuck by his guns and didn't let them sway him away from his search for God's truths.
quote=Bangee5 "You are not betraying God or ... (show quote)


By the Grace of God that is what everyone is telling you to do by your very words. You said the very thing that I told you back to me yet you call me blind. If you have found God in your Own way then good - that is between you and God. If you don't want to go main stream then so be it. I nor anyone else can tell you how to worship God. The difference between us is that I came to God along a different path than you. I believe the Bible as a whole book. I am a Baptist by choice because the Baptist belief reflects my belief. Why be angery with me?
quote=marcomarks quote=Bangee5 "You are not... (show quote)



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