DirtFarmer wrote:
Jpg is the final product but it's not quite analogous to slides. There's no intermediate product in slides. Prints, yes.
What did you mean by "no intermediate product in slides?"
Back in the days when I used dozens of rolls of Ektachrome each week during multi-image slide show and poster production, I considered a slide both an end product when it was projected, and an intermediate product when it was used for color separations.
DirtFarmer
Loc: Escaped from the NYC area, back to MA
burkphoto wrote:
What did you mean by "no intermediate product in slides?"
Back in the days when I used dozens of rolls of Ektachrome each week during multi-image slide show and poster production, I considered a slide both an end product when it was projected, and an intermediate product when it was used for color separations.
The slides are really designed for projection so I consider them the end product.
For color negatives the print is the end product so the negative is an intermediate product.
If you're going further, doing color separations for printing (or some other use), then you're right that the slide is an intermediate product, but I don't consider that the primary use of slides. Most of them probably wind up being used for projection, although I will readily admit I don't have statistics on the different uses of slides. I come from an amateur background and what I saw people using was projection. Not many of my colleagues made posters from our slides.
But then I was not a professional.
Drive space is cheap. So I just keep the JPEGs I make from my RAW files (I mostly just shoot RAW, same as you... I keep most of them, too, but certainly I don't convert all to JPEG).
I've got 6 terrabytes in two hard drives inside my desktop, one of which is primarily used for image files... plus an external drive with another 3 TB as a backup. For longer term storage, I've also got four Network Attached Storage devices, each with 8 TB total (RAID X gives about 5 and a half TB storage per NAS).
jerryc41 wrote:
... When I finish processing a raw file, I save it as a JPEG and dump the raw. ...
You're burning your bridges. Should you wish to reprocess the raw file, you're SOL.
Gene51
Loc: Yonkers, NY, now in LSD (LowerSlowerDelaware)
BlueMorel wrote:
I shoot only RAW now and post-process in LR. Some I export in jpg to use in online contests, social networking, sharing with family, or occasional prints. I am now questioning my use of extra space for those one-off uses of my jpgs. What do you do with yours? I do keep my LR catalog backed up, so I figure I could always recreate any jpgs I've exported.
I delete them. But I have a collection of export presets for my most frequent destinations.
Just bought a fast WD My Passport for Mac 4TB
I believe it was $130 with tax. It does not require a plug runs
on computer USB. I always thought power made these units
better. But these small size (not listed s portable) WD externals
seem to be faster. Had a lot of video to back up on multiple drives.
So that is the answer they have cheaper good WD's for 1T, 2T, 3T.
Buy a couple of these and backup your photos. Western Digital
won the external HD race. I have units for years that still work.
Buy according to what computer you have. Some say Mac the
PC version needs to be reinitialized in a Mac for mac. Not a problem.
Basically, I process my images up to a point that I'm going to either post or print them. At that point, I save the .psd file and lock it. If I need another .jpg file, I can easily open the .psd file and save it as a .jpg. I don't need to keep a lot of .jpg files around.
--Bob
BlueMorel wrote:
I shoot only RAW now and post-process in LR. Some I export in jpg to use in online contests, social networking, sharing with family, or occasional prints. I am now questioning my use of extra space for those one-off uses of my jpgs. What do you do with yours? I do keep my LR catalog backed up, so I figure I could always recreate any jpgs I've exported.
Storage may well be cheap these days. But data (photo) management will exact it’s own toll in frustration.
If you shoot raw, Jpegs are simply expendable transation files once used for its intended purpose, get deleted.
Besides. Quality, reliable storage together with a sound backup system, probably isn’t as cheap as one may think 👀 it’s rarely as simple as most people think, either...especially if one loads it up with multiple redundant copies of the same thing.
brucewells wrote:
I don't keep JPGs. It's too easy and effortless to export the processed raw images to a JPG for sharing/printing. Then, as time evolves, and I find a better way to process that raw image, if I had exported a JPG, it would now be obsolete (unlike the original). When I'm finished with the JPG images I did export, I delete them.
A great answer. I fully agree.
Yet, I Always keep everything though. It stays in a folder of the project called finished. If they need more I can just send it along. No sweat. I like to retrain all my work including what was delivered. I also use that folder as a record of what was delivered. I make DVD/Dropbox/Thumbdrive... of that folder for clients. I may take 100-400 shots per shoot. So, I keep all RAW, PSD, JPGs. I treat the JPG folder as my delivery record.
Disk is cheap. I use 4 TB+ drives. Backups too. Daily incremental, Weekly Full, Monthly Full backups.
Will I change? Probably and do as you're doing. Makes sense. Now that I have my D850, that day is coming soon.
DirtFarmer
Loc: Escaped from the NYC area, back to MA
HT wrote:
Storage may well be cheap these days. But data (photo) management will exact it’s own toll in frustration.
If you shoot raw, Jpegs are simply expendable transation files once used for its intended purpose, get deleted.
Besides. Quality, reliable storage together with a sound backup system, probably isn’t as cheap as one may think 👀 it’s rarely as simple as most people think, either...especially if one loads it up with multiple redundant copies of the same thing.
Data management (not just photos) is a skill that anyone who uses a computer should learn.
The easiest way is a folder structure that uses meaningful folder names to store appropriate files.
Data management should include a plan for succession. If you suddenly kick the bucket, how will your family find important family photos? Will they be able to extract the photos from a LR catalog and a bunch of raw files? How about all your emails? Financial information? Does your spouse know how to access those things?
BlueMorel wrote:
I shoot only RAW now and post-process in LR. Some I export in jpg to use in online contests, social networking, sharing with family, or occasional prints. I am now questioning my use of extra space for those one-off uses of my jpgs. What do you do with yours? I do keep my LR catalog backed up, so I figure I could always recreate any jpgs I've exported.
I print mine out using "wet" chemistry and throw the JPEG files AND the RAW files away. I keep the prints from JPEG in my storage system started in the Sixties. Nothing in Digital is safe under any of the circumstances of migrations required in evolution of digital files. What's next... Can you tell me. I never could have imagined how "at risk" my digital files are just from pure loss and deterioration.
Being in the computer biz mfg, configuring, backing up, or any other aspect of the digital for over 30 years has convinced me more than anything not to trust digital filing media, not to mention the equipment. That's no matter how much redundancy is built into my mechanical digital and storage filing systems.
As the smart people say.
Film and Film Cameras are Forever, with much less effort. Front end and back end!!!BTW, What is Post Processing?
Kuzano wrote:
I print mine out using "wet" chemistry and throw the JPEG files AND the RAW files away. I keep the prints from JPEG in my storage system started in the Sixties. Nothing in Digital is safe under any of the circumstances of migrations required in evolution of digital files. What's next... Can you tell me. I never could have imagined how "at risk" my digital files are just from pure loss and deterioration.
Being in the computer biz mfg, configuring, backing up, or any other aspect of the digital for over 30 years has convinced me more than anything not to trust digital filing media, not to mention the equipment. That's no matter how much redundancy is built into my mechanical digital and storage filing systems.
As the smart people say.
Film and Film Cameras are Forever, with much less effort. Front end and back end!!!BTW, What is Post Processing?
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