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Jul 29, 2018 19:01:00   #
wdross Loc: Castle Rock, Colorado
 
sensor1 wrote:
As a dedicated eighth decade amateur Nikon D800 photographer, it is becoming clear that a switch to a lighter weight mirrorless camera would be reasonable. The Fuji X-T20 seems to be a promising candidate for that change but would greatly appreciate the opinions of others regarding this or another choice for my interests in still life, birds and other wildlife, and portrait photography. Many thanks.


Fuji X-T20 is an excellent choice. Not to try and confuse you, so would the Sony APS-C cameras. You can obtain even more savings in size, weight, and cost by looking at the Olympus and Panasonic 4/3rds cameras. All these mirrorless cameras are well past the development and shakedown stages. All are terrific buys. Just figure out your needs for the features you want and buy it with very little fear. Very few people have reverted back to the larger cameras after switching to mirrorless. It is that good and so is the Fuji X-T20.

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Jul 29, 2018 19:21:01   #
LoneRangeFinder Loc: Left field
 
CatMarley wrote:
In advanced mirrorless, I thing the two choices are Sony or Fuji. I think the Fuji has it for customer service and build quality, but Sony has more glass available (but not necessarily better glass). The other idea is to wait to see what Nikon puts out in mirrorless. But O don't think you would regret getting the Fuji xt-20. I have the xt-2 and the 20 is about 85% identical. The lenses are beautiful, sharp and mechanically very smooth operating. The jpegs are gorgeous right from the camera, and all the controls are on the body and operation requires a minimum of menu diving.
In advanced mirrorless, I thing the two choices ar... (show quote)


I echo Cat’s comments rega ding customer service: Fuji will send out a firmware update; Nikon will release a new model. FWIW: I am a lifetime Nikon user, gradually switching. In addition to weight, there is a size issue. Yes size matters! Especially when traveling.

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Jul 29, 2018 19:41:58   #
xt2 Loc: British Columbia, Canada
 
Just a note regarding the Sony/Fuji comparisons that is worth being aware of... Fuji does not manufacture & release new camera bodies nearly as quickly as Sony. Fuji's mantra is based on a solid product (like it or not) and constant firmware updates available free for users. A two year old XT2 will be updated several times before becoming "obsolete" making it a long-term relationship between user and factory. Not only is this philosophy welcomed, & sensible, but also a much cheaper experience for users. Cheers!

amfoto1 wrote:
Good info!

But I have to question if Sony actually has more lenses to choose among. Only looking the sheer numbers it would appear so.... 44 Fuji X-mount versus 63 Sony E-mount. However keep in mind that all the Fuji X-mount are designed for one format: APS-C.... While Sony makes lenses both for APS-C and full frame formats (19 APS-C, 44 full frame). Of course, I'm sure their APS-C cameras can use both, while their full frame cameras are limited to full frame lenses.

But the above numbers taken from a retailer's website are a bit misleading because both manufacturers make some lenses in multiple versions and have overlap in other respects. Fujifilm website lists a total of 26 X-mount lenses (15 primes, 11 zooms), plus two teleconverters. The Sony website actually lists 42 E-mount lenses (20 primes & 20 zooms in both formats), plus two teleconverters. But, for example, in the Sony system there are very similar 16-35mm full frame, 16-50mm APS-C, 18-55mm APS-C and 16-70mm APS-C lenses.... there are also three different 18-200mm (all APS-C).... and two different 24-70mm along with a 28-70mm (all full frame). There's some overlap in the Fuji system, too... But I don't think nearly as much as in the Sony (due in part to making lenses for two different sensor formats).

I'd recommend carefully comparing the two systems side-by-side.

Fuji has long made really top-quality glass for many different formats. Sony may be comparatively new to serious photography (having bought the Konica-Minolta system in 2006), but they have a relationship (?) with Zeiss, who also have a long history of quality lens making.

Just from comparing and considering the two systems (and others) for my own possible ventures unto mirrorless, it appears to me that Fuji gear might be a bit more expensive.... at least initially. Sony cameras and "kits" appear to cost less, possibly are "loss leaders". I.e., more affordable but less profitable, to get you to buy into the system... after which their lenses tend to be a bit pricey (more expensive than comparable Nikon or Canon DSLR lenses, for example).

The main complaint I've heard about Sony is that their menus are somewhat difficult to navigate and have to be accessed too often to handle various functions.
Good info! br br But I have to question if Sony ... (show quote)

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Jul 29, 2018 19:52:47   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
xt2 wrote:
Just a note regarding the Sony/Fuji comparisons that is worth being aware of... Fuji does not manufacture & release new camera bodies nearly as quickly as Sony. Fuji's mantra is based on a solid product (like it or not) and constant firmware updates available free for users. A two year old XT2 will be updated several times before becoming "obsolete" making it a long-term relationship between user and factory. Not only is this philosophy welcomed, & sensible, but also a much cheaper experience for users. Cheers!
Just a note regarding the Sony/Fuji comparisons th... (show quote)


Exactly the same for Panasonic. They added new features for three years to my GH4.

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Jul 29, 2018 19:59:04   #
xt2 Loc: British Columbia, Canada
 
burkphoto wrote:
Exactly the same for Panasonic. They added new features for three years to my GH4.


Didn't know that was Pany's mantra as well. Excellent... "They" are catching on...
Cheers!

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Jul 29, 2018 20:02:53   #
AndyGarcia
 
berchman wrote:
I have two Fuji X-T2's which replaced my Nikon D700 and D800. I don't do birds but I've seen great shots taken with the Fuji 100-400. I use the 50-140 f/2.8 for portraits. One of my bodies came with Fuji's 18-135 f/3.5-5.6 which I find very versatile to carry on trips abroad. I'm 80 and I can assure billnikon that we are not talking about "a few ounces" difference in weight, but a few pounds, to say nothing of bulk. I can curl a 30lb dumbbell 10x so I can carry a Speed Graphic if I was ridiculous enough to do so. Perhaps hauling around FF Nikons and their lenses while walking around Palermo or trekking through Borneo's jungle to photograph orangutans is billnikon's speed, but count me out. Sometimes I will go out with just my iPhone X to experience the liberation of not being bogged down by apparatus.
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I agree completely. My Nikons were not FF - a D300 and D7K. The D7K is about to be sold. I will probably keep the D300 as my last attachment to Nikon (and I like it). My Fuji Xe2 with16-50 lens is so light you just don't notice it. The Xt1 much the same. Even with a 200mm Konica lens both are still light. The Nikons are much bigger and heavier. Love your comment about the iPhone X - I've just got an iPhone 8 and it can sure make some pretty cool images. and I can communicate with people.

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Jul 29, 2018 20:16:08   #
dyximan
 
berchman wrote:
It does shoot 4k at 30fps.


I apologize. I guess I should check my facts over my opinion and or recollections. Thank you for correcting me.

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Jul 29, 2018 20:21:27   #
AndyGarcia
 
Yep it's not just weight it's size as well. My Fujis do not attract attention. My Nikons do. Plus one small bag can hold two cameras and lenses 18-135 & 14 plus the other bits I need.

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Jul 29, 2018 20:42:41   #
wdross Loc: Castle Rock, Colorado
 
billnikon wrote:
Interesting, you are not the first to profess your desire to go mirrorless simply because of WEIGHT. Interesting that a couple of ounces have convinced hundreds of DSLR photographers to switch.
I am currently 70 and have used SLR's professionally for years. I still use large DSLR's, D4s with a 200-400 lens. a D500 with battery grip (I like the weight) and the 200-500 lens attached.
Why are folks forking over thousands of dollars for a few ounces, is their another reason to switch besides WEIGHT. I get award winning photographs with my current equipment and have no problems with WEIGHT. I just don't understand.
I will be ordering soon the new Nikon 180-400, I am not a strong male, but I find WEIGHT not an issue.
Am I missing something? Should I start going to the Y more? Will I get progressively weaker quicker in my 70's than 60's? What?
Interesting, you are not the first to profess your... (show quote)


When I have the time and money, I like going shooting with my Hasselblad, three lenses, motordrive, flash, tripod, and teleconverter. That system is not lightweight. I still have no problem hefting it to where I want to go, even if it is a mile or two off the road. Which camera do I usually travel with? My Olympus E-M1 mrII. Why? For less than half the weight and size, I can move more quickly with more lens range and without a tripod. Try taking a 2 second shot with a Hassy handheld. A piece of cake with my Olympus. Will I get rid of my Hassy? When I am dead. Until then, I will shoot film until I get a digital back. But for traveling, I will encourage all to be smaller, lighter, and more thrifty if it will meet their needs. This OP seems to think he is there.

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Jul 29, 2018 20:47:21   #
rgrenaderphoto Loc: Hollywood, CA
 
billnikon wrote:
Interesting, you are not the first to profess your desire to go mirrorless simply because of WEIGHT. Interesting that a couple of ounces have convinced hundreds of DSLR photographers to switch.
I am currently 70 and have used SLR's professionally for years. I still use large DSLR's, D4s with a 200-400 lens. a D500 with battery grip (I like the weight) and the 200-500 lens attached.
Why are folks forking over thousands of dollars for a few ounces, is their another reason to switch besides WEIGHT. I get award winning photographs with my current equipment and have no problems with WEIGHT. I just don't understand.
I will be ordering soon the new Nikon 180-400, I am not a strong male, but I find WEIGHT not an issue.
Am I missing something? Should I start going to the Y more? Will I get progressively weaker quicker in my 70's than 60's? What?
Interesting, you are not the first to profess your... (show quote)


Well Buddy Boy, you're obviously in better health than most of them.

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Jul 29, 2018 21:49:38   #
ad8rr Loc: Jackson, Michigan
 
sensor1 wrote:
As a dedicated eighth decade amateur Nikon D800 photographer, it is becoming clear that a switch to a lighter weight mirrorless camera would be reasonable. The Fuji X-T20 seems to be a promising candidate for that change but would greatly appreciate the opinions of others regarding this or another choice for my interests in still life, birds and other wildlife, and portrait photography. Many thanks.


I was a professional photographer for many years, film-based of course. I worked primarily with 6x6, 6x7, and 35mm. Weddings, events, and portraits mostly. When I went digital, I used Nikon d200 and d300. I have been a Fuji X user for over a year now, and will never go back. The X-T20 is amazing. Colors are truly mind-blowing, and 24.3 megapixels are more than enough for anything I need. I have the 18-55mm excellent kit lens, 23mm f2, 35mm f2, Rokinon 12mm f2, and use my Minolta MC and MD lenses with fantastic results in manual focus. The 55mm MC lens is a bokeh monster! I also use the XT100f as a backup.

If you need to use long lenses for sports, I would recommend the X-T2 or XH1. They are larger, and the XH1 has IBIS.

No matter what, Fujifilm X-Series cameras will do it all. Prices are reasonable, and the proof of their quality is in the images. For my money, Kodachrome was King. The King is dead. Long live X.

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Jul 29, 2018 23:32:11   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
xt2 wrote:
Didn't know that was Pany's mantra as well. Excellent... "They" are catching on...
Cheers!


Panasonic caught on in 2008... I was at PMAI for the reveal in North America. I remember thinking, “When this matures...”

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Jul 30, 2018 00:21:29   #
gessman Loc: Colorado
 
berchman wrote:
Drawing conclusions from a 4 year old YouTube test may be enough for you, but one credible claim that the Fuji X-T2 up to date with firmware and a better lens than the tester was using (the 50-140 f/2.8 is better) is faster than the Nikon D500 can be found here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zPnIKPwaGsA

See also: https://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/fuji-x-t2/fuji-x-t2-conclusion.htm

"Overall performance significantly amped from the X-T1
Mirrorless cameras have strived for the better part of a decade to catch up with competing DSLRs in the C-AF arena. Top-tier DSLRs still rule the professional sports market, but the lines continue to blur in the enthusiast world, and the X-T2 along with its rangefinder-inspired brother the X-Pro2 have helped to continue that trend. In our various testing we found the C-AF to be significantly better than the system found in the X-T1, and to now belong in the same ballpark as competing DSLRs in this enthusiast price range."
Drawing conclusions from a 4 year old YouTube test... (show quote)


Well, it's difficult to know what "credible evidence" is unbiased but if you "google" xt2 v d500 you'll find testimonials from people on sites such as dpreview, a credible site, saying just the opposite of what your "credible evidence" is saying. I'm certainly not the person to resolve the conflict but part of what I intended to imply is that while the current two top Fuji models offer improvements over the xt1, neither have the competitors been idle.

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Jul 30, 2018 10:16:53   #
SteveLew Loc: Sugar Land, TX
 
FUJI XT2 vs Nikon D500 Epic Shootout Review | Which Camera to Buy Tutorial

The Fuji XT2 is a formable all purpose mirrorless camera capable of fast shooting and 4K video. The link above, by Micheal Maven, compares the Fuji XT2 with the Nikon D500. Watch the attached video and learn about the Fuji's XT2 and if you are in the market for a Nikon 500 also follow this link.

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Jul 30, 2018 11:04:07   #
dyximan
 
I have the 500 and rented the X, twice Although the frames per second are about the same the buffer is much smaller on the X roughly 25 compared to 200. And the battery life of the X is about 200 clicks compared to maybe 700 or 800 clicks on the 500 before the battery’s dead. And for this I don’t need a comparison because I shot them both personally. But have to admit the IQ might be slightly better on the X

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