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Jul 8, 2018 16:20:42   #
rmalarz Loc: Tempe, Arizona
 
Doug, thanks for stopping by and commenting. You're very welcome.
--Bob
Doug Estes wrote:
I agree sir. Beautiful capture. Thanks for sharing.

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Jul 8, 2018 16:26:33   #
alf85 Loc: Northumberland, UK.
 
rmalarz wrote:
And that, Alf, is exactly my point. It is the photograph I made.
--Bob


Yes Bob, but is it Photography, or is it Electronic manipulation.?
And Bob, Adams had a team of workers doing most of the graft for him, and remember he got where he did because he was in with the (In folk) the upper class of the time.

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Jul 8, 2018 16:29:17   #
photophile Loc: Lakewood, Ohio, USA
 
rmalarz wrote:
"You don't take a photograph, you make it". - Ansel Adams
-Bob


Point well made.

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Jul 8, 2018 16:30:31   #
Rineal Loc: Copake NY
 
Beautiful work!
Richard

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Jul 8, 2018 16:40:39   #
rmalarz Loc: Tempe, Arizona
 
Alf, it's photography, but we are entering an area of semantics now. Yes, one can argue that since a computer and software is being used to produce the final image, it's electronic manipulation. However, I'm somewhat of a purist when it comes to most of the images I make. Much like in a darkroom, I can control the brightness, the contrast, and burn and dodge. That is what I did with this image. So, your point is well taken, but I've no other way to display a photograph than electronically to the folks here on UHH. So, within the realm of what we do here, I took the photograph (with a digital camera). I set the camera to expose for the optimum initial capture to then be used to produce the final "print" using the techniques listed above. If you wish to call it Electronic Manipulation so be it. It's still photography.
--Bob

alf85 wrote:
Yes Bob, but is it Photography, or is it Electronic manipulation.?.

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Jul 8, 2018 16:41:09   #
rmalarz Loc: Tempe, Arizona
 
Thank you very much, Karin.
--Bob
photophile wrote:
Point well made.

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Jul 8, 2018 16:41:59   #
rmalarz Loc: Tempe, Arizona
 
Richard, thank you very much for stopping by and commenting. It's greatly appreciated.
--Bob
Rineal wrote:
Beautiful work!
Richard

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Jul 8, 2018 16:51:37   #
alf85 Loc: Northumberland, UK.
 
neillaubenthal wrote:
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Well…let's talk about that. Few…if any…lens/body combinations accurately reproduce what the eye actually saw…the dynamic range of the sensor is less than that of your eye. This is why HDR was invented…it more closely resembles what the eye saw as long as one is careful not to overdo it.

Every photo ever taken is post processed…if you do it in camera to jpeg guess what, it's processed. If you do it in RAW, guess what, it's processed.

Photos should look like what the shooter wants them to look like…especially since no camera made can accurately capture a scene. So those folks…and news organizations that ban post processing…just don't understand that even a jpeg out of the camera is processed…it's just processed according to the body maker's choices. Since it's impossible to 100% accurately image a scene…and since every photo you see is processed in some fashion…purists need to get off of their high horse.

Even Ansel Adams processed his images…ever heard of dodging and burning?
. br br Well…let's talk about that. Few…if any…l... (show quote)


Well when i started photography 70years ago, my first camera was a cardboard box with a pin hole in it, and a strip of black tape over the hole. does that answer your question.

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Jul 8, 2018 17:00:13   #
alf85 Loc: Northumberland, UK.
 
rmalarz wrote:
Alf, it's photography, but we are entering an area of semantics now. Yes, one can argue that since a computer and software is being used to produce the final image, it's electronic manipulation. However, I'm somewhat of a purist when it comes to most of the images I make. Much like in a darkroom, I can control the brightness, the contrast, and burn and dodge. That is what I did with this image. So, your point is well taken, but I've no other way to display a photograph than electronically to the folks here on UHH. So, within the realm of what we do here, I took the photograph (with a digital camera). I set the camera to expose for the optimum initial capture to then be used to produce the final "print" using the techniques listed above. If you wish to call it Electronic Manipulation so be it. It's still photography.
--Bob
Alf, it's photography, but we are entering an area... (show quote)


Thank you for your reply Bob, sadly gone are the days of doing 90% of it by hand, but we have to live with the times.
Regards, Alfie.

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Jul 8, 2018 17:00:56   #
gener202002
 
alf85 wrote:
Well when i started photography 70years ago, my first camera was a cardboard box with a pin hole in it, and a strip of black tape over the hole. does that answer your question.



I did that as a kid, in a photography class. Made a camera out of a card board box. I was the only student who had an image that actually came out, and it was quite good for those days. Took a picture of two neighbor kids in a back yard, and how it managed that they stayed still for ten seconds or more still amazes me. Never tried it again though. I wish I had stayed with photography instead of being off and on with it. But there is so much to learn, and there are so many great photographers out there. Some make a very good living with it, but you have to know what you are doing.

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Jul 8, 2018 17:11:35   #
alf85 Loc: Northumberland, UK.
 
gener202002 wrote:
I did that as a kid, in a photography class. Made a camera out of a card board box. I was the only student who had an image that actually came out, and it was quite good for those days. Took a picture of two neighbor kids in a back yard, and how it managed that they stayed still for ten seconds or more still amazes me. Never tried it again though. I wish I had stayed with photography instead of being off and on with it. But there is so much to learn, and there are so many great photographers out there. Some make a very good living with it, but you have to know what you are doing.
I did that as a kid, in a photography class. Made ... (show quote)


Thank you for your reply. One of the first things you learned was to get it right in the camera so that you did not wast film, and i still do that today, and that is why i do not use Photoshop and never will.

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Jul 8, 2018 17:21:15   #
rmalarz Loc: Tempe, Arizona
 
Alfie, those days aren't gone for me. I still use film, more this year than digital. I just purchased another 4x5, which is currently sitting and waiting for "The Project". That was a long term project, but the camera just happened to come along with a great price.

As for the film, I process that myself, using one of two Jobo processors, depending on format and quantity. So, I still do a good portion of the work myself.
--Bob
alf85 wrote:
Thank you for your reply Bob, sadly gone are the days of doing 90% of it by hand, but we have to live with the times.
Regards, Alfie.

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Jul 8, 2018 17:57:19   #
DaveC1 Loc: South East US
 
Well Bob, you made a couple of very good photographs here.; good work.

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Jul 8, 2018 18:04:29   #
alf85 Loc: Northumberland, UK.
 
rmalarz wrote:
Alfie, those days aren't gone for me. I still use film, more this year than digital. I just purchased another 4x5, which is currently sitting and waiting for "The Project". That was a long term project, but the camera just happened to come along with a great price.

As for the film, I process that myself, using one of two Jobo processors, depending on format and quantity. So, I still do a good portion of the work myself.
--Bob


Great to hear that, and hope you get to do it for a long time to come. i used to love doing my developing and printing as much as taking the photos, but due to health problems i can no longer do it.
Regards, Alfie.

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Jul 8, 2018 18:07:28   #
rmalarz Loc: Tempe, Arizona
 
Thanks, Dave. Much appreciated.
--Bob
DaveC1 wrote:
Well Bob, you made a couple of very good photographs here.; good work.

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