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Jul 3, 2018 21:30:48   #
alberio Loc: Casa Grande AZ
 
dennis2146 wrote:
Like most on the Left you accept the killing of the giraffe PROVIDED it meets your expectations that the hunter be extremely contrite, totally apologetic, about the kill. You should take a look at real facts about hunting in Africa and hunting in general. The beautiful animals you see in Africa are there because of hunting dollars going to numerous African countries. Many native villages are eating meat because the meat from animals killed by hunters is given to the natives to eat. When an animal the size of an elephant is killed an entire village will come to the kill site to butcher the entire animal for the meat it provides. These people don’t live in your world and don’t get welfare benefits. They live in villages with dirt homes and thatched roofs. Welcome to the OTHER world.

I am a very proud hunter and have hunted in Africa. Every animal I shot was killed humanely and the meat, every bit of it, went to natives. The thousands of dollars I spent went to promote ethical hunt for the country of Zimbabwe.

I am proud the young lady in the photo took this animal out of the gene pool. Anybody with common sense who wants to continue seeing African animals thrive should be proud of her too. What have any of you done to help wild animals thrive, anywhere? Just saying you don’t kill them doesn’t count.

Dennis
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Agree 100%

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Jul 3, 2018 21:44:38   #
johnnievegas
 
I expect the hunter had to pay for a permit, guide etc., which benefited the remaining animals as well as African workers. Otherwise the park would have had to kill the animal and no one would have benefited except the younger male giraffes. I

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Jul 3, 2018 22:37:49   #
Einreb92 Loc: Philadelphia
 
DIRTY HARRY wrote:
The reason we are where we are today is because shit like this WAS done 30 years ago. The thought process on this just like that on gasoline, hard woods in Michigan, the American Bison, etc .. was.. There is an unlimited supply, we'll never run out of them... It's NOT political correctness that's the problem is selfishness.. I'm going to do it because I want to and no one is going to stop me because I have money.


👍🏾👍🏾

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Jul 3, 2018 22:58:36   #
Swede Loc: Trail, BC Canada
 
DIRTY HARRY wrote:
The reason we are where we are today is because shit like this WAS done 30 years ago. The thought process on this just like that on gasoline, hard woods in Michigan, the American Bison, etc .. was.. There is an unlimited supply, we'll never run out of them... It's NOT political correctness that's the problem is selfishness.. I'm going to do it because I want to and no one is going to stop me because I have money.



SWEDE

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Jul 3, 2018 22:59:20   #
bob44044 Loc: Ohio
 
DIRTY HARRY wrote:
American hunter's images of her black giraffe 'trophy kill' spark outrage
Fox News Sun, Jul 1 1:12 PM EDT
 
Photos of a female hunter from Kentucky proudly showing off the results of her “dream hunt” – a dead black giraffe in South Africa – have ignited a firestorm across social media after being picked up by a local African media outlet. “White American savage who is partly a Neanderthal comes to Africa and shoot down a very rare black giraffe courtesy of South Africa stupidity,” read the June 2018 tweet, posted by Africa Digest. “Her name is Tess Thompson Talley. The controversial images, which were posted by a Kentucky woman identified as Tess Thompson Talley a year ago, show her standing proudly beside a dead giraffe bull along with the caption: “Prayers for my once in a lifetime dream hunt came true today! ...
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Liberals just have to be mad about something or should I say everything. If a liberal would have shot it there would have been no problem.

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Jul 3, 2018 22:59:38   #
pendennis
 
dennis2146 wrote:
I agree with everything you posted except the killing of mastodons. My understanding is it was the changing of nature that decimated those and other animals. I doubt cave men with spears could have done it.

Dennis


Evidently, the carbon dating methods have been revised, and the mastodons died out long before people colonized North America. They were also extinct by the time of the last ice age. The carbon dating is only good to around 50k years ago, and many of the mastodon were extinct by then. North America started to cool substantially around 75k, so their habitats would have been wiped out by colder weather; evidently the climate in Alaska and western Canada was much warmer and wetter than before the last ice age.

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Jul 4, 2018 00:04:52   #
wayne barnett Loc: Grants Pass, Oregon
 
pendennis wrote:
Evidently, the carbon dating methods have been revised, and the mastodons died out long before people colonized North America. They were also extinct by the time of the last ice age. The carbon dating is only good to around 50k years ago, and many of the mastodon were extinct by then. North America started to cool substantially around 75k, so their habitats would have been wiped out by colder weather; evidently the climate in Alaska and western Canada was much warmer and wetter than before the last ice age.
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The mastodons died out 10-11 thousand years age.

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Jul 4, 2018 00:10:24   #
wayne barnett Loc: Grants Pass, Oregon
 
dennis2146 wrote:
Thank you for a great post. My only minor problem is you mentioning the trophy hunters who kill the animal and do not take the meat. At least you do tell us that the meat is donated to organizations who put the meat to good use. I guess I can’t understand why that is a problem for you. The hunter is happy and the people without meat for nourishment are happy.

I would add, because many people are against trophy hunting, that every state in the Union, to my knowledge, makes it unlawful to kill a game animal and leave the meat.

Dennis
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Dennis one of the things we were taught was if we killed it we were to eat it. Trophies were secondary to the kill. I know some are just after the head so I suppose the game farms are the best source for that with the meat going to an organization to feed the needy. Yes it is not all negative.

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Jul 4, 2018 00:41:56   #
cameranut Loc: North Carolina
 
I don't smile that big when I swat a mosquito that's trying to take my blood. The problem here is the "pleasure " taken in the kill, as well as the kill itself.
What kind of mentality do we possess when we derive pleasure from taking the most valuable thing God has loaned us ???? LIFE!

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Jul 4, 2018 02:13:07   #
Diocletian
 
pendennis wrote:
Rangers are ill-equipped, and few in number to make any attempt to cull the herds of any animals, anywhere. They're too busy with trying to stop poachers, and the rangers are being overrun by them. In fact, some of the countries in Africa are using army troops to try and catch the poachers. The poachers are the problem, not the paying hunter.

The animals hunted are not in a "pen", they are in the open country, and trackers and guides lead the hunters to the prey. The hunters go into the bush country, needing to be aware of their surroundings, and following the guides' advice.

What the hunter uses to kill the animal is far more humane than what the poachers use. The hunter likely uses a custom-built rifle in a caliber designed to do the job quickly and humanely. The poachers, in many instances, use AK47's, which aren't designed as a game getting rifle.

There are a number of videos on You Tube showing what can happen when the hunters become the hunted by a lion in the bush. See if you still believe that animals are hunted in a pen.
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Uh....in some circles it is called 'canned hunt' and you can find the specifics on wikipedia...
So I'm a little confused as to why you would say that in all cases the hunter sneaks up on a savage, wild beast to kill him....and in all cases the hunter is in danger.

Hello, anybody home out there?

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Jul 4, 2018 02:15:34   #
Diocletian
 
pendennis wrote:
Rangers are ill-equipped, and few in number to make any attempt to cull the herds of any animals, anywhere. They're too busy with trying to stop poachers, and the rangers are being overrun by them. In fact, some of the countries in Africa are using army troops to try and catch the poachers. The poachers are the problem, not the paying hunter.

The animals hunted are not in a "pen", they are in the open country, and trackers and guides lead the hunters to the prey. The hunters go into the bush country, needing to be aware of their surroundings, and following the guides' advice.

What the hunter uses to kill the animal is far more humane than what the poachers use. The hunter likely uses a custom-built rifle in a caliber designed to do the job quickly and humanely. The poachers, in many instances, use AK47's, which aren't designed as a game getting rifle.

There are a number of videos on You Tube showing what can happen when the hunters become the hunted by a lion in the bush. See if you still believe that animals are hunted in a pen.
Rangers are ill-equipped, and few in number to mak... (show quote)


And as we all know, everything we see on youtube is 100% accurate.

Roflms... or..rolling on floor laughing myself sick..

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Jul 4, 2018 02:19:01   #
Diocletian
 
bob44044 wrote:
Liberals just have to be mad about something or should I say everything. If a liberal would have shot it there would have been no problem.


And since you said the word liberal, by gosh, what you say HAS GOT to be GOD'S honest truth...or Trumpettey's honest truth (they're the same thing, right? RIGHT?)

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Jul 4, 2018 03:16:00   #
Angmo
 
Diocletian wrote:
And since you said the word liberal, by gosh, what you say HAS GOT to be GOD'S honest truth...or Trumpettey's honest truth (they're the same thing, right? RIGHT?)


QED...

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Jul 4, 2018 09:47:24   #
genocolo Loc: Vail and Gasparilla Island
 
tomcat wrote:
It would have under Obama(lack of)Care...........


Are you crazy or just ignorant?

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Jul 4, 2018 10:29:21   #
pendennis
 
wayne barnett wrote:
The mastodons died out 10-11 thousand years age.


I didn't say that the last ones lasted into the Asian colonization era. Before North America was colonized the mastodons had died off. The extinction took some 65k years, when the habitat changed to a much colder clime. Those changes moved south. Colonists from Asia never saw a live mastodon.

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