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Jul 1, 2018 12:30:53   #
UTMike Loc: South Jordan, UT
 
As I explore PP skills, I am faced with decisions on composition. Attached is a shot where I debated a more severe crop isolating the flower or leaving it with more surround. I would appreciate your opinions and reasoning.


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Jul 1, 2018 12:41:08   #
John_F Loc: Minneapolis, MN
 
I would guess the proximity of the two nearest petals would prevent a straight edged crop about the central blossom. The non-crop puts the central bloosom into its environment and there is a value to that.

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Jul 1, 2018 12:44:04   #
fergmark Loc: norwalk connecticut
 
It would be easier to consider cropping with the whole image to see. I think there is a general tendency to crop in as close as possible, putting the main subject in a box. If I understand correctly, that this is a crop of the original.

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Jul 1, 2018 12:47:46   #
UTMike Loc: South Jordan, UT
 
John_F wrote:
I would guess the proximity of the two nearest petals would prevent a straight edged crop about the central blossom. The non-crop puts the central bloosom into its environment and there is a value to that.

Thanks for taking the time to look and comment, John.

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Jul 1, 2018 12:48:50   #
UTMike Loc: South Jordan, UT
 
fergmark wrote:
It would be easier to consider cropping with the whole image to see. I think there is a general tendency to crop in as close as possible, putting the main subject in a box. If I understand correctly, that this is a crop of the original.


No, this is the original size. I usually crop as tight as I can for flowers, but the second flower edge appeared to provide a balance to me.

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Jul 1, 2018 12:50:14   #
R.G. Loc: Scotland
 
A bit of rotation that puts the blossoms more on different levels might be in order. And more context (if you have it) gives some room for the imagination to manoeuvre.

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Jul 1, 2018 12:57:09   #
UTMike Loc: South Jordan, UT
 
R.G. wrote:
A bit of rotation that puts the blossoms more on different levels might be in order. And more context (if you have it) gives some room for the imagination to manoeuvre.


Thanks for the insight, RG. Rotation never occurred to me.

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Jul 1, 2018 13:12:17   #
PhotoKurtz Loc: Carterville, IL
 
Maybe crop to the single flower with the yellow bud in the top right and a little offset to the left. Clone out the other petals if they interfere.

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Jul 1, 2018 13:16:27   #
UTMike Loc: South Jordan, UT
 
PhotoKurtz wrote:
Maybe crop to the single flower with the yellow bud in the top right and a little offset to the left. Clone out the other petals if they interfere.


Thanks, I may give that a try also.

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Jul 1, 2018 13:50:14   #
Linda From Maine Loc: Yakima, Washington
 
What a great example of how our eyes perceive color: warm colors advance, cool colors recede...and this blossom image looks nearly 3D as a result! I also like the light gray, non-competing background, unopened blooms and depth of field.

Now, where were we? Oh yeah, composition I like R.G.'s idea of a slight rotation because right now, the composition feels a little rigid. For this subject, something more "flowing" might be more appealing. I also like a little more taken off from the left side flower. To me that makes it feel a more deliberate choice. I pm'd you the change, which also includes a slight rotation, though my Chromebook editing app tool is more "straighten" than rotate.

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Jul 1, 2018 13:54:34   #
UTMike Loc: South Jordan, UT
 
Linda From Maine wrote:
What a great example of how our eyes perceive color: warm colors advance, cool colors recede...and this blossom image looks nearly 3D as a result! I also like the light gray, non-competing background, unopened blooms and depth of field.

Now, where were we? Oh yeah, composition I like R.G.'s idea of a slight rotation because right now, the composition feels a little rigid. For this subject, something more "flowing" might be more appealing. I also like a little more taken off from the left side flower. To me that makes it feel a more deliberate choice. I pm'd you the change, which also includes a slight rotation, though my Chromebook editing app tool is more "straighten" than rotate.
What a great example of how our eyes perceive colo... (show quote)

As usual, Linda to the rescue! Thanks for taking the time, I look forward to your message. When this string is over, I plan to pursue each of the suggestions in Light Room to see what I get.

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Jul 1, 2018 14:22:37   #
Uuglypher Loc: South Dakota (East River)
 
UTMike wrote:
As I explore PP skills, I am faced with decisions on composition. Attached is a shot where I debated a more severe crop isolating the flower or leaving it with more surround. I would appreciate your opinions and reasoning.


Hi, UTMike,

Another pp tactic that is not commonly considered is to slightly emphasize (enlarge) the subject blossom while de-emphasizing (reduction of)the partial second blossom by using either barrel deformation centered on the subject blossom, or pincushion deformation centered on the intruding blossom.

IME I figured the latter (pincushion) approach would too strongly deform the subject blossom, so I chose the former, but more subtle (barrel)approach.

Just a thought.

Best regards,
Dave

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Jul 1, 2018 14:24:47   #
UTMike Loc: South Jordan, UT
 
Uuglypher wrote:
Hi, UTMike,

Another pp tactic that is not commonly considered is to slightly emphasize (enlarge) the subject blossom while de-emphasizing (reduction of)the partial second blossom by using either barrel deformation centered on the subject blossom, or pincushion deformation centered on the intruding blossom.

IME I figured the latter (pincushion) approach would too strongly deform the subject blossom, so I chose the former, but more subtle (barrel)approach.

Just a thought.

Best regards,
Dave
Hi, UTMike, br br Another pp tactic that is not c... (show quote)

Thanks for taking the time, Dave. My next step, of course, will be to figure out the deformations process, but that is the beauty of learning PS.

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Jul 1, 2018 18:57:42   #
repleo Loc: Boston
 
I think it is good the way it is and I like tight crops. However, I would be tempted to take a bit off the right hand side to move the bloom off center.

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Jul 1, 2018 21:00:25   #
UTMike Loc: South Jordan, UT
 
repleo wrote:
I think it is good the way it is and I like tight crops. However, I would be tempted to take a bit off the right hand side to move the bloom off center.


Thanks for the input!

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