Ugly Hedgehog - Photography Forum
Home Active Topics Newest Pictures Search Login Register
Main Photography Discussion
Sunny 16
Page <prev 2 of 3 next>
Jun 28, 2018 17:00:52   #
selmslie Loc: Fernandina Beach, FL, USA
 
Gene51 wrote:
I've gotten great results just taking a 3-5 second exposure and adjusting aperture to around F5.6 and the ISO to allow decent color in the bursts. It usually takes me a couple of shots, but once I have it dialed in it's good for the rest of the show. The formulas and guides don't really work for me - since the firework is a light source, the further away you are from it the lower the value of the light, and vice versa. Shooting raw allows for more exposure latitude than jpegs.

Fireworks are a special case. It's usually best to set the aperture to a fairly small value (f/11-f/22), use a low ISO and an expose of several seconds to capture more than one burst.

Expose for whatever else you want to show in the image (buildings, dark blue sky, foreground) and let the firework trails track over the background.

The nice thing about using digital is that you can usually get it right with a little trial and error.

Reply
Jun 28, 2018 17:23:34   #
BebuLamar
 
SharpShooter wrote:
Here’s my burning Sunny 16 question?
What’s the Sunny rule if you’re shooting on the SUN??? LoL
SS


It doesn't matter which settings you get the result is the same. If you don't believe me try it.

Reply
Jun 28, 2018 17:24:25   #
joderale Loc: Pensacola, Florida
 
Thank you for all your answers. I've been reading the ugly Hedgehog for about a year and that was my first post. I got a few other subjects I'd like to talk to you all about some time. I'm an amateur that has toyed with photography on and off since I was 15, 46 years ago. Used to have a darkroom and rolled my own Plus X and Tri X, had a Canon F-1. It got stolen and I got a used Nikormatt with a broken lightmeter. I spent a year in Europe with that Nikormatt and used the exposure guides on the back of the film with great success. Now that I can afford it, I'm diving into digital.

The depth of field calculator will be useful. I knew f/32 was probably not necessary and I just did it for overkill to make sure the whole flower was in focus. I know that f/2.8 has a very small depth of field and would not have got it all. But I had no idea f/32 would require such a high ISO.

I should have tried taking a picture of the leaves with sunny 16 to see how it came out. I like the post about not blowing out the highlights when you do that. It seems that you can always bring out the underexposed parts in Lightroom.

Reply
 
 
Jun 28, 2018 23:15:44   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
selmslie wrote:
Sunny 16 is advanced?

It's probably the easiest concept for a beginner to grasp since it relates all three parts of the "exposure triangle."

And it begs the immediate question, "What if I don't use f/16?" Once that is explained, the beginner is no longer a beginner.

No, but Gene’s response was...

Reply
Jun 29, 2018 07:41:35   #
camerapapi Loc: Miami, Fl.
 
The "sunny 16" rule is what I use here in South Florida all the time when the sun is shining. It works 2 hours after sunrise and 2 hours before sunset.
At times it could be off by half a stop but in general I get excellent exposures following it.

As it was mentioned by Bill, it is based on incident metering.

Reply
Jun 29, 2018 08:06:14   #
wteffey Loc: Ocala, FL USA
 
All of the camera's and lenses I have used give the sharpest results stopped down a click or two or three from wide open. Usually this is f4.0 to f5.6. I value sharpness more than anything else so whenever possible I shoot in that range, ISO and shutter to adjust exposure as necessary. What am I missing?

Reply
Jun 29, 2018 08:22:51   #
leftj Loc: Texas
 
joderale wrote:
The Sunny 16 rule doesn't seem to be working. The attached photo was taken in full sun. The Canon 5d Mark IV evaluative metering came up with f/16, ISO 200, 1/60s, which is a good exposure. Should have been f/16, ISO 100, 1/125s using the Sunny 16 rule. What really got me thinking about it was a photo of a flower taken in shade with full sun around. I wanted everything in focus so I used f/32, and the wind was blowing so I used 1/125s, and the ISO came out to 12800, which is not good.


There should be no problem with ISO 12800 on a MIV. I don't even have a problem with it on my Fuji X-T1.

Reply
 
 
Jun 29, 2018 08:54:40   #
selmslie Loc: Fernandina Beach, FL, USA
 
camerapapi wrote:
The "sunny 16" rule is what I use here in South Florida all the time when the sun is shining. It works 2 hours after sunrise and 2 hours before sunset. ...

Not just in the Sunshine State.

It works the same all over the world once the sun is more than about 20 degrees above the horizon and the clouds don't get in its way.

It's the same sun and the same illumination. Direct sunlight is a constant. Only the scenery changes.

Reply
Jun 29, 2018 09:06:35   #
Notorious T.O.D. Loc: Harrisburg, North Carolina
 
WOW, nearly 2 pages and no one has said to look at the Histogram...
Where have all the Histogramers gone...

Best,
Todd Ferguson

Reply
Jun 29, 2018 09:18:25   #
leftj Loc: Texas
 
Notorious T.O.D. wrote:
WOW, nearly 2 pages and no one has said to look at the Histogram...
Where have all the Histogramers gone...

Best,
Todd Ferguson


long time passing

Reply
Jun 29, 2018 09:21:40   #
Notorious T.O.D. Loc: Harrisburg, North Carolina
 
leftj wrote:
long time passing



Reply
 
 
Jun 29, 2018 09:34:29   #
Bultaco Loc: Aiken, SC
 
rmalarz wrote:
It's more of a guide, and sketchy at best.
--Bob



Reply
Jun 29, 2018 09:37:03   #
gvarner Loc: Central Oregon Coast
 
I view sunny sixteen as a place to start when you have no meter. Your experience and judgement are critical in getting the correct exposure.

Reply
Jun 29, 2018 09:38:33   #
jimorus
 
Mostly self taught here and learned the expensive way, with film. Sunny F16 gets you in the ball park. It isn't the word of God and I find it isn't as small of a ballpark with digital as it was with film and my desires chasnge things too.

You can meter off the green grass or tree leaves in the same light as your subject
You can meter off the north sky on a sunny cloudless day
You can use weathered asphalt
You can use a faded pair of jeans
When all else fails you can meter off your hand and adjust as necessary. After you know it is + or - a few stops, skin tones do differ, remember it. You always bring your hand

jim

Reply
Jun 29, 2018 10:20:58   #
selmslie Loc: Fernandina Beach, FL, USA
 
jimorus wrote:
Mostly self taught here and learned the expensive way, with film. Sunny F16 gets you in the ball park. ...

It depends on whether you want to do post processing from the raw image or you just want a JPEG straight out of the camera (SOOC).

I took nearly all of these images on Manual at ISO 400, 1/1000 sec at f/11 (1/3 stop darker than Sunny 16, net EV 15) because I knew I would be developing from raw. I opened up to f/8 only when the shadows became less distinct.

The JPEG SOOC versions were very close to right but those two exposure settings allowed me to capture all of the detail and color I wanted without blowing any highlights. Where the shadows were a little dark they were easy to recover and I only needed to do highlight recovery on four of the 175 images.

If I had wanted to not do any post processing at all (SOOC) I probably would have had to watch the exposure a little more closely. But that is hard to judge when the camera's LCD is also in broad daylight.

I did not come to this approach by accident. I used Kodachrome for more than 30 years. It taught me the value of watching out for highlights. It paid off later when I scanned those slides and was able to get back some of the shadow information. We can do that more easily today with a raw digital file.

Reply
Page <prev 2 of 3 next>
If you want to reply, then register here. Registration is free and your account is created instantly, so you can post right away.
Main Photography Discussion
UglyHedgehog.com - Forum
Copyright 2011-2024 Ugly Hedgehog, Inc.