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Jun 28, 2018 17:51:41   #
Texcaster Loc: Queensland
 
Mac wrote:
Wrong is wrong, and calling out wrong is not political correctness.


That's right, PC WAS fundamentally about common good manners.

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Jun 28, 2018 18:02:08   #
anotherview Loc: California
 
The imposition of PC involves the stifling of free speech to accord with rules that equate to censorship.

Moralizing in support of PC only confirms an external source imposing a standard of acceptable speech.

Advocating the opposite by saying to think for yourself brings out the contrast between the one and the other.

So far in this thread nobody has refuted either Spinoza or Confucius. This citizen goes with them and with the First Amendment to the U.S. Constitution.
Mac wrote:
Wrong is wrong, and calling out wrong is not political correctness.

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Jun 28, 2018 18:11:31   #
lev29 Loc: Born and living in MA.
 
Rab-Eye wrote:
JungleJim1949 didn’t like my reaction to his joke about Jewish mistresses, so he put me on his ignore list. If you are responding to anything I posted there, I am not ignoring your response. I cannot reply because JungleJim1949 can’t deal with being called out on ethnic jokes that reinforce negative stereotypes. I stand by my statement that they make society worse. In the meantime, I will try to live with the fact that I cannot read any more of his posts.
Rab-Eye,
I joined the Hog a just a couple of years before you did. UHH was the first Forum of any kind that I joined. I used to participate a fair amount, but have scaled back for the past couple of years. I might participate more in the coming months and actually post some photos; "we'll see about that."

I don't know if the same Ostrich administrator is still in charge. When I joined, BLATANT RACIST "JOKES" were ubiquitous and "the attic" had apparently just been formed to "house" them. This attic appears to be an offshoot of the General Section. What struck me at the time, but frankly I shouldn't have been surprised, was the obvious political bias of some "foul loud-mouthed" individuals, most gun-lovin' and conservative, akin to some supporters of the current POTUS. Per se, of course it's "okay" to be politically conservative, but these individuals, whose comments were often overtly hostile, including on subjects of photography, were tolerated by that Admin. DARE I once listed a URL of comedienne Amy Schumer doing a comedy sketch on selling guns on the Home Shopping Channel! If saw the pro gun right reaction and SWIFT transfer of my link, banished to The Attic where nary a "libtard", as anybody to the left of Nixon would be known, could "survive" any discussion there. It was a ludicrously heavy-handed move by that Admin, and it spoke volumes to me.

Over some time, I actually witnessed more commonly that others beside myself,) decried their racist jokes and hostile posts, and the Hog got better. But as above, I don't check the Hog nearly so often now, so I don't know if (the nebulous) "they" are back to their old ways, or is it a new crew of jerks, or whether overall things haven't changed much.

By the way, I haven't seen this "joke" that JungleJim posted. What some of "them" think, I allege, is that if they feel pressured not to make any ethnic joke, it MUST BE A "PC" MATTER!

WRONG! There IS a difference between what's PC and what is just patently offensive. "They" know it but don't want to admit it!

In closing, IF one can filter out this racist and hostility crap, this Forum DOES provide a means of communicating ideas, photos, and questions about Photography.

Shalom,
lev29

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Jun 28, 2018 18:44:25   #
Vietnam Vet
 
That joke was funny...get over it

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Jun 28, 2018 23:08:20   #
hasslichhog
 
Vietnam Vet wrote:
That joke was funny...get over it


From a WWII and Korea Vet

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Jun 28, 2018 23:47:50   #
phcaan Loc: Willow Springs, MO
 
Texcaster wrote:
That's right, PC WAS fundamentally about common good manners.


Doesn't seem like it is anymore.

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Jun 28, 2018 23:53:47   #
Texcaster Loc: Queensland
 
phcaan wrote:
Doesn't seem like it is anymore.


It still is for me and regular Jesus.

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Jun 29, 2018 00:21:42   #
anotherview Loc: California
 
Please define the word "racist." You seem to misuse it.

Long live freedom of speech and thought.
lev29 wrote:
Rab-Eye,
I joined the Hog a just a couple of years before you did. UHH was the first Forum of any kind that I joined. I used to participate a fair amount, but have scaled back for the past couple of years. I might participate more in the coming months and actually post some photos; "we'll see about that."

I don't know if the same Ostrich administrator is still in charge. When I joined, BLATANT RACIST "JOKES" were ubiquitous and "the attic" had apparently just been formed to "house" them. This attic appears to be an offshoot of the General Section. What struck me at the time, but frankly I shouldn't have been surprised, was the obvious political bias of some "foul loud-mouthed" individuals, most gun-lovin' and conservative, akin to some supporters of the current POTUS. Per se, of course it's "okay" to be politically conservative, but these individuals, whose comments were often overtly hostile, including on subjects of photography, were tolerated by that Admin. DARE I once listed a URL of comedienne Amy Schumer doing a comedy sketch on selling guns on the Home Shopping Channel! If saw the pro gun right reaction and SWIFT transfer of my link, banished to The Attic where nary a "libtard", as anybody to the left of Nixon would be known, could "survive" any discussion there. It was a ludicrously heavy-handed move by that Admin, and it spoke volumes to me.

Over some time, I actually witnessed more commonly that others beside myself,) decried their racist jokes and hostile posts, and the Hog got better. But as above, I don't check the Hog nearly so often now, so I don't know if (the nebulous) "they" are back to their old ways, or is it a new crew of jerks, or whether overall things haven't changed much.

By the way, I haven't seen this "joke" that JungleJim posted. What some of "them" think, I allege, is that if they feel pressured not to make any ethnic joke, it MUST BE A "PC" MATTER!

WRONG! There IS a difference between what's PC and what is just patently offensive. "They" know it but don't want to admit it!

In closing, IF one can filter out this racist and hostility crap, this Forum DOES provide a means of communicating ideas, photos, and questions about Photography.

Shalom,
lev29
Rab-Eye, br I joined the Hog a just a couple of y... (show quote)

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Jul 1, 2018 16:19:40   #
Rab-Eye Loc: Indiana
 
rmalarz wrote:
Ben, you can, if you want, still read his posts. What you can't do now is reply to them.

I'm not fond of the type of humor that belittles or demeans anyone person or group of people. It's a shame that some are so thin skinned that they can't take a gentle and polite rebuke. Those jokes themselves would be funny without the need to specifically target a specific group of people. That part is uncomfortable.

Shalom,
Bob


Thank you, Bob.

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Jul 1, 2018 16:21:31   #
Rab-Eye Loc: Indiana
 
G Brown wrote:
Stop taking life so seriously


Don’t take life seriously. What an interesting perspective. What do you take seriously?

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