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Jun 23, 2018 16:02:32   #
Twardlow Loc: Arkansas
 
Elaine2025 wrote:
So, little Tard AKA Howdy Doody is the expert and scientists are wrong? Democraps are always pulling the fire alarm.


The scientists are right and in nearly total agreement.

So, little Elaine, victim of sex abuse, I’m guessing. Do we want to keep going back and forth like this?

You have more important work to so.

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Jun 23, 2018 16:21:10   #
Wellhiem Loc: Sunny England.
 
hasslichhog wrote:
https://www.wsj.com/articles/thirty-years-on-how-well-do-global-warming-predictions-stand-up-1529623442

Thirty Years On, How Well Do Global Warming Predictions Stand Up?
James Hansen issued dire warnings in the summer of 1988. Today earth is only modestly warmer.

By Pat Michaels and
Ryan Maue
June 21, 2018 7:24 p.m. ET
328 COMMENTS

James E. Hansen wiped sweat from his brow. Outside it was a record-high 98 degrees on June 23, 1988, as the NASA scientist testified before the Senate Committee on Energy and Natural Resources during a prolonged heat wave, which he decided to cast as a climate event of cosmic significance. He expressed to the senators his “high degree of confidence” in “a cause-and-effect relationship between the greenhouse effect and observed warming.”

With that testimony and an accompanying paper in the Journal of Geophysical Research, Mr. Hansen lit the bonfire of the greenhouse vanities, igniting a world-wide debate that continues today about the energy structure of the entire planet. President Obama’s environmental policies were predicated on similar models of rapid, high-cost warming. But the 30th anniversary of Mr. Hansen’s predictions affords an opportunity to see how well his forecasts have done—and to reconsider environmental policy accordingly.

Mr. Hansen’s testimony described three possible scenarios for the future of carbon dioxide emissions. He called Scenario A “business as usual,” as it maintained the accelerating emissions growth typical of the 1970s and ’80s. This scenario predicted the earth would warm 1 degree Celsius by 2018. Scenario B set emissions lower, rising at the same rate today as in 1988. Mr. Hansen called this outcome the “most plausible,” and predicted it would lead to about 0.7 degree of warming by this year. He added a final projection, Scenario C, which he deemed highly unlikely: constant emissions beginning in 2000. In that forecast, temperatures would rise a few tenths of a degree before flatlining after 2000.

Thirty years of data have been collected since Mr. Hansen outlined his scenarios—enough to determine which was closest to reality. And the winner is Scenario C. Global surface temperature has not increased significantly since 2000, discounting the larger-than-usual El Niño of 2015-16. Assessed by Mr. Hansen’s model, surface temperatures are behaving as if we had capped 18 years ago the carbon-dioxide emissions responsible for the enhanced greenhouse effect. But we didn’t. And it isn’t just Mr. Hansen who got it wrong. Models devised by the United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change have, on average, predicted about twice as much warming as has been observed since global satellite temperature monitoring began 40 years ago.


What about Mr. Hansen’s other claims? Outside the warming models, his only explicit claim in the testimony was that the late ’80s and ’90s would see “greater than average warming in the southeast U.S. and the Midwest.” No such spike has been measured in these regions.

As observed temperatures diverged over the years from his predictions, Mr. Hansen doubled down. In a 2007 case on auto emissions, he stated in his deposition that most of Greenland’s ice would soon melt, raising sea levels 23 feet over the course of 100 years. Subsequent research published in Nature magazine on the history of Greenland’s ice cap demonstrated this to be impossible. Much of Greenland’s surface melts every summer, meaning rapid melting might reasonably be expected to occur in a dramatically warming world. But not in the one we live in. The Nature study found only modest ice loss after 6,000 years of much warmer temperatures than human activity could ever sustain.

Several more of Mr. Hansen’s predictions can now be judged by history. Have hurricanes gotten stronger, as Mr. Hansen predicted in a 2016 study? No. Satellite data from 1970 onward shows no evidence of this in relation to global surface temperature. Have storms caused increasing amounts of damage in the U.S.? Data from the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration show no such increase in damage, measured as a percentage of gross domestic product. How about stronger tornadoes? The opposite may be true, as NOAA data offers some evidence of a decline. The list of what didn’t happen is long and tedious.

The problem with Mr. Hansen’s models—and the U.N.’s—is that they don’t consider more-precise measures of how aerosol emissions counter warming caused by greenhouse gases. Several newer climate models account for this trend and routinely project about half the warming predicted by U.N. models, placing their numbers much closer to observed temperatures. The most recent of these was published in April by Nic Lewis and Judith Curry in the Journal of Climate, a reliably mainstream journal.

These corrected climate predictions raise a crucial question: Why should people world-wide pay drastic costs to cut emissions when the global temperature is acting as if those cuts have already been made?

On the 30th anniversary of Mr. Hansen’s galvanizing testimony, it’s time to acknowledge that the rapid warming he predicted isn’t happening. Climate researchers and policy makers should adopt the more modest forecasts that are consistent with observed temperatures.

That would be a lukewarm policy, consistent with a lukewarming planet.

Mr. Michaels is director and Mr. Maue an adjunct scholar at the Cato Institute’s Center for the Study of Science.

Appeared in the June 22, 2018, print edition as 'A Hot Summer on Capitol Hill.'
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The problem isn't global warming. The problem isn't even climate change. The problem is accelerated climate change. The climate is changing faster than we can adapt and that is down to human activity. But even this pales into insignificance when compared to the problem of pollution in general. The air in some places is close to unbreathable and the waterways are choked with plastic. The bottom line is that we have 7 billion people on a planet that can comfortably support about 2 billion. We have intensive farming in order to feed the excess, which leads to more pollution. We are producing more waste than the world can cope with and we can't even cut the population down in the usuall way with a war, without further damage to the planet. I'm not claiming to know the answer, but we should at least acknowledge the problem.

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Jun 23, 2018 16:52:17   #
Twardlow Loc: Arkansas
 
Wellhiem wrote:
The problem isn't global warming. The problem isn't even climate change. The problem is accelerated climate change. The climate is changing faster than we can adapt and that is down to human activity. But even this pales into insignificance when compared to the problem of pollution in general. The air in some places is close to unbreathable and the waterways are choked with plastic. The bottom line is that we have 7 billion people on a planet that can comfortably support about 2 billion. We have intensive farming in order to feed the excess, which leads to more pollution. We are producing more waste than the world can cope with and we can't even cut the population down in the usuall way with a war, without further damage to the planet. I'm not claiming to know the answer, but we should at least acknowledge the problem.
The problem isn't global warming. The problem isn'... (show quote)


Informed and well said!

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Jun 23, 2018 17:01:29   #
Elaine2025 Loc: Seattle, Wa
 
Twardlow wrote:
The scientists are right and in nearly total agreement.

So, little Elaine, victim of sex abuse, I’m guessing. Do we want to keep going back and forth like this?

You have more important work to so.


Little Tard AKA Howdy Doody, you are the one who said you were a has been TV star. I didn’t invent that. While on the other hand you make stuff up about me to cover for your inadequacy. You might want to rethink that strategy. You end up looking stupid.

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Jun 23, 2018 17:03:46   #
Elaine2025 Loc: Seattle, Wa
 
Wellhiem wrote:
The problem isn't global warming. The problem isn't even climate change. The problem is accelerated climate change. The climate is changing faster than we can adapt and that is down to human activity. But even this pales into insignificance when compared to the problem of pollution in general. The air in some places is close to unbreathable and the waterways are choked with plastic. The bottom line is that we have 7 billion people on a planet that can comfortably support about 2 billion. We have intensive farming in order to feed the excess, which leads to more pollution. We are producing more waste than the world can cope with and we can't even cut the population down in the usuall way with a war, without further damage to the planet. I'm not claiming to know the answer, but we should at least acknowledge the problem.
The problem isn't global warming. The problem isn'... (show quote)




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Third world countries do not control their population.

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Jun 23, 2018 17:16:02   #
Wellhiem Loc: Sunny England.
 
Elaine2025 wrote:
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Third world countries do not control their population.


Contrary to popular belief, third world countries are underpopulated. They can't sustain enough people to form the necessary infrastructure. People in the first world don't have to grow their own food, so they can train as doctors etc.

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Jun 23, 2018 17:18:19   #
Elaine2025 Loc: Seattle, Wa
 
Wellhiem wrote:
Contrary to popular belief, third world countries are underpopulated. They can't sustain enough people to form the necessary infrastructure. People in the first world don't have to grow their own food, so they can train as doctors etc.


Good point.

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Jun 23, 2018 19:11:07   #
InfiniteISO Loc: The Carolinas, USA
 
Wellhiem wrote:
Contrary to popular belief, third world countries are underpopulated. They can't sustain enough people to form the necessary infrastructure. People in the first world don't have to grow their own food, so they can train as doctors etc.


Idiocy! People in densely populated countries where most are subsistence farming can't bunny-breed themselves into prosperity. The solution to having too many mouths to feed is not more mouths to feed, it's getting more food for less effort. That frees up people to improve themselves and start businesses and worship at the church of capitalism. For people in developing nations, children are free labor. Modern agriculture helps break that cycle. Here is where the left's fight against genetically modified foods is true lunacy. In the last 150 years the yields of American corn have gone from about 30 bushels per acre to over 160 with changes in farming technology. The yields of other food crops have gone up in similar fashion. American farming technology in the 1930s was still better than current technology in the rest of the developing world now.

https://www.agry.purdue.edu/ext/corn/news/timeless/yieldtrends.html

We could free up some of those subsistence farmers by teaching them how to farm better and giving them genetically modified crops to increase their yields. Sadly, many on the left find a purity in the hand to mouth existence of people in the third world. This they do from air conditioned offices in universities in both the US and Europe. Many efforts to improve farming are hamstrung by environmental activism. Some liberals would even tell you that a pandemic would be the best solution to world population problems, that the billions of poor trying to improve their lives are a blight upon the world. These folks shop beside us in our nice supermarkets and choose from aisles of food that would make a third-worlder think they had died and gone to heaven. I'm sure they must self flagellate after each meal.

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Jun 23, 2018 19:42:49   #
LWW Loc: Banana Republic of America
 
Twardlow wrote:
These people have their heads in the sand, and if you believe them, you deserve to be mis-informed.


Why are you a science denier?

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Jun 23, 2018 19:45:25   #
LWW Loc: Banana Republic of America
 
Elaine2025 wrote:
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Third world countries do not control their population.


The real problem is third world peoples don’t control their leftist governments.

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Jun 24, 2018 02:18:52   #
cwp3420
 
Twardlow wrote:
The scientists are right and in nearly total agreement.

So, little Elaine, victim of sex abuse, I’m guessing. Do we want to keep going back and forth like this?

You have more important work to so.


Twatwad is UHH’s Chicken Little. The sky is always falling with this fool.

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Jun 24, 2018 02:51:46   #
Texcaster Loc: Queensland
 
"At current birth rates, environmental degradation, and resource use, the earth will not be able to support human life by 2600" Stephen Hawking

That means the 1% needs to find another planet for their heirs quick smart!

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Jun 24, 2018 07:44:15   #
InfiniteISO Loc: The Carolinas, USA
 
Texcaster wrote:
"At current birth rates, environmental degradation, and resource use, the earth will not be able to support human life by 2600" Stephen Hawking

That means the 1% needs to find another planet for their heirs quick smart!


Stephen Hawking was undoubtedly a brilliant man, but he was also a politically astute academic who liked to get published. A completely arbitrary prediction like the one you just quoted is exactly what liberals like to see in print.

Let me make my own prediction. 1%? I'm sure socialist trends will have found a way to make all inhabitants of mother earth equal by 2600. By then they'll have all of us trained to march into extermination chambers when we get sick or are no longer productive. Procreating without a license will be punishable by death and genetic screening will have eliminated all those pesky diseases. There will be no more fat people, short people, tall people, dumb people. Everyone will be equally attractive meaning that no one will be attractive. Menial tasks will be done by robots and the working poor will be gone, phased out of existence. Children will be tested for intelligence and general health at the age of 3 and if they fail, they will be killed. The population of the world will be a tenth of what it is now and much of what is now the third world will be uninhabited park land. It will be a bland paradise where the biggest cause of death, save reaching the "Max" age will be suicide. Hopefully my heirs will be part of the resistance living in the jungles of Brazil.

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Jun 24, 2018 10:31:42   #
Twardlow Loc: Arkansas
 
cwp3420 wrote:
Twatwad is UHH’s Chicken Little. The sky is always falling with this fool.


You again?

Alright, I’ll sing your song:

Donald Trump is a perpetually honest man of great character.

Donald Trump is a master statesman.

Donald Trump is a man of great dignity.

Donald Trump’s word is his bond.

Donald J. Trump is a master politician.

Donald J. Trump Never duped an orphan or groped a widow, never screwed a veteran or welched on a business deal, never sold out the Nation to it’s enemies, never took a bribe, never kidnapped 2,300 children, and never hoped to incarcerate 100,000 hopeful immigrants.

We’re lucky to be blessed with Donald J. Trump.

Just like we’d be blessed to have syphilis or gonorrhea.

Lucky us.

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Jun 24, 2018 10:52:51   #
Texcaster Loc: Queensland
 
InfiniteISO wrote:
Stephen Hawking was undoubtedly a brilliant man, but he was also a politically astute academic who liked to get published. A completely arbitrary prediction like the one you just quoted is exactly what liberals like to see in print.

Let me make my own prediction. 1%? I'm sure socialist trends will have found a way to make all inhabitants of mother earth equal by 2600. By then they'll have all of us trained to march into extermination chambers when we get sick or are no longer productive. Procreating without a license will be punishable by death and genetic screening will have eliminated all those pesky diseases. There will be no more fat people, short people, tall people, dumb people. Everyone will be equally attractive meaning that no one will be attractive. Menial tasks will be done by robots and the working poor will be gone, phased out of existence. Children will be tested for intelligence and general health at the age of 3 and if they fail, they will be killed. The population of the world will be a tenth of what it is now and much of what is now the third world will be uninhabited park land. It will be a bland paradise where the biggest cause of death, save reaching the "Max" age will be suicide. Hopefully my heirs will be part of the resistance living in the jungles of Brazil.
Stephen Hawking was undoubtedly a brilliant man, b... (show quote)


The Hawking quote was in the last six months of his life, I doubt he was chasing funding. Earlier in the decade he called ten years.

Your scenario could pan out but not by human design. We're approaching the singularity and the new AI species will be calling the shots. If anyone is going to a new planet it's going to be them.

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