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Jun 21, 2018 06:45:59   #
SteveR Loc: Michigan
 
If you really are interested in low light capability, look at either the D500 or D7500. I know those are crop sensor cameras, but they will beat even the D850 in low light capability. Of course the flagship D5 will kill any other Nikon available for low light, but you'll pay for it. I've not looked at the specs of the D3, D4 or D4s (as mentioned previously) so maybe those would be good alternatives since you could probably pick up a good used model.

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Jun 21, 2018 07:24:51   #
yssirk123 Loc: New Jersey
 
astacus wrote:
The Nikon D3S is the ONLY camera I regret letting go...and it seems to be holding value well. It was/is an absolute gem, with low noise performance and colour rendition that was fabulous.
(going off to see how much a medium used S/H one is nowadays....)


Completely agree with with astacus. The D3S was my all time favorite camera, and my daughter is still using it to shoot weddings. Simply beautiful noise-free images SOC, and with the ability to print large despite the relatively small native 12MP files.

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Jun 21, 2018 08:20:06   #
jacklewis014
 
I have a D4 and it is awesome. I am looking for another D4 as a backup, instead of saving for a new D5. I shoot a lot of indoor sports - low light and fast action. This camera is amazing at high ISO, wide open with fast shutter.

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Jun 21, 2018 09:09:31   #
camerapapi Loc: Miami, Fl.
 
"Sooo What say you?"

I own a D610. It fits my needs but that is me. You seem to need something that will give you a higher ISO than 6400 with perhaps better AF and a faster shooting rate. By the way, native ISO in the D610 is ISO 100 which is pretty nice for portraits and landscape photography.
I am familiar with the D750 but not with the D850. All I hear and read about the D850 is very positive and agree with you, the cost of one of those bodies is high.
The majority of your lenses are for the DX format. The D500, not familiar with it but everything I hear about it is also very positive, shoots at a higher firing rate, has an excellent AF and from what I know its low light performance is impressive. Getting a very good wide angle for DX format should be no issues buying the excellent Tokina 11-16 f2.8, a lens that from everything I know about it has excellent resolution and a f2.8 aperture which is important for someone like you that works often in low light.
My 2 cents.

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Jun 21, 2018 09:18:25   #
DaveC1 Loc: South East US
 
This has been posted before, but you may find it useful when comparing different cameras ISO performance:

http://www.photonstophotos.net/Charts/PDR.htm

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Jun 21, 2018 09:50:58   #
mborn Loc: Massachusetts
 
I have a D810 and a D500. I use each for different purposes

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Jun 21, 2018 10:12:21   #
bpulv Loc: Buena Park, CA
 
JR69 wrote:
I have 2 Nikon d-80 from way back. I use one as a second camera and the wife uses the other on full auto. I upgraded to FX with the D600 when it came out. After two sensor cleanings and a shutter replacements, Nikon USA replaced it with my current 610. I would like better low light results. Native iso is only 6400 and perhaps 3000 is my limit with acceptable noise. Higher frames per second would be nice for airshows, car races and birds in flight. My 24.3 Megapixel is adequate but a higher mgpxl could be nice for cropping.

My glass consists of: Nikkor 17-35mm 2.8 D, Nikkor 50mm 1.8 D, Nikkor 60mm 2.8 G Micro, Nikkor 70-200mm 2.8 G II VR , Nikkor 300mm 2.8G II VR, Nikon AF-S TeleconverterTC-20EIII along with a few DX lens for the d80's

Bodies I am considering: 750 but not much of improvement over 610.. I pick up 1 stop on the iso, same fps 6, more focus points 51 but I tend to use single. Expeed 4
Down side old body and I understand it's on its 3rd recall. Price is cheap. $1500.

D810 much like the 750 but 36 Mgpxl, older than the D750. They are still selling them but not on the Nikon USA web page under FX cameras. $2800.

The D850 and the D500 look like sweethearts.. All I hear is good things about the 850 except the wait time to get one. It's a tad more than I want to spend. Good low end iso at 64 but only 25,600 on the high end. fps is only 7 and with the battery pack 9fps. The D500 also looks sweet with features better than the 850 - iso 100-51200 , higher fps 10. Down side is its a DX.. That would help with the field of view with the long glass but I would then need a great DX wide angle zoom. The D500 for all you get is cheap also at $1900. Both have exceed 5

Numerous sources, big box stores in Ny , Nikon USA other blogs and here have guessed at the wait time for the D850 between a week to 12 weeks or even longer....

Sooo What say you? Bite the bullit for the 850, settle for the 500 or pick up an older body???
I have 2 Nikon d-80 from way back. I use one as a ... (show quote)


First of all, no DSLR I have heard of has a "native" ISO of 6400. Native ISO is the ISO at which the sensor can produce the best quality image and that is typically around ISO 100. Logically, I think you mean the top ISO was 6400.

If you want to spend the money, the D850 is the top camera today, but you probably do not need its $3,300 worth of gadgetry for what you are doing. If cost is a concern, I would suggest you consider a low shutter count used D800 or factory refurbished D810. The price is considerably lower than a new D850 and it has they have top ISO of around 24,000 if you want to sacrifice a little quality. Practically, they work well to ISO 12,500. Your lens selection sounds good for your needs, so you can save your money there.

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Jun 21, 2018 10:19:24   #
chasgroh Loc: Buena Park, CA
 
jacklewis014 wrote:
I have a D4 and it is awesome. I am looking for another D4 as a backup, instead of saving for a new D5. I shoot a lot of indoor sports - low light and fast action. This camera is amazing at high ISO, wide open with fast shutter.


...correctamundo! That said, I just sold my D4 and the guy who bought it sent me an email today; he was so happy with the D4 he bought a D5 in the box. Of course, the reason I sold my trusty D4 is I finally figured out that I don't need the D4 as a backup... ;0)

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Jun 21, 2018 10:20:30   #
chasgroh Loc: Buena Park, CA
 
...but, I still own a D800 and see absolutely no reason to upgrade. It is a great body.

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Jun 21, 2018 10:23:22   #
jacklewis014
 
chasgroh wrote:
...correctamundo! That said, I just sold my D4 and the guy who bought it sent me an email today; he was so happy with the D4 he bought a D5 in the box. Of course, the reason I sold my trusty D4 is I finally figured out that I don't need the D4 as a backup... ;0)

Wished I had been that guy..........

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Jun 21, 2018 10:33:52   #
msandersal Loc: Alabama Gulf Coast
 
I have never looked back since going to the d850, it is a delight to use. It is heavy, especially with the battery grip. Al;so amazing is the DX crop capability where you can see the effect of the FX lens on the DX crop right in your viewfinder when the masking is turned on. A learning curve is there, even for me as a Nikon shooter for years.

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Jun 21, 2018 11:57:23   #
mainebrien
 
I have the D850 and love it. Many expected it to sell for north of $4K, but at $3295, it's hard to turn down. The more you know about its capabilities, the more you appreciate its amazing range of photographic capabilities. It's worth the wait.

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Jun 21, 2018 11:57:32   #
SusanFromVermont Loc: Southwest corner of Vermont
 
JR69 wrote:
I have 2 Nikon d-80 from way back. I use one as a second camera and the wife uses the other on full auto. I upgraded to FX with the D600 when it came out. After two sensor cleanings and a shutter replacements, Nikon USA replaced it with my current 610. I would like better low light results. Native iso is only 6400 and perhaps 3000 is my limit with acceptable noise. Higher frames per second would be nice for airshows, car races and birds in flight. My 24.3 Megapixel is adequate but a higher mgpxl could be nice for cropping.

My glass consists of: Nikkor 17-35mm 2.8 D, Nikkor 50mm 1.8 D, Nikkor 60mm 2.8 G Micro, Nikkor 70-200mm 2.8 G II VR , Nikkor 300mm 2.8G II VR, Nikon AF-S TeleconverterTC-20EIII along with a few DX lens for the d80's

Bodies I am considering: 750 but not much of improvement over 610.. I pick up 1 stop on the iso, same fps 6, more focus points 51 but I tend to use single. Expeed 4
Down side old body and I understand it's on its 3rd recall. Price is cheap. $1500.

D810 much like the 750 but 36 Mgpxl, older than the D750. They are still selling them but not on the Nikon USA web page under FX cameras. $2800.

The D850 and the D500 look like sweethearts.. All I hear is good things about the 850 except the wait time to get one. It's a tad more than I want to spend. Good low end iso at 64 but only 25,600 on the high end. fps is only 7 and with the battery pack 9fps. The D500 also looks sweet with features better than the 850 - iso 100-51200 , higher fps 10. Down side is its a DX.. That would help with the field of view with the long glass but I would then need a great DX wide angle zoom. The D500 for all you get is cheap also at $1900. Both have exceed 5

Numerous sources, big box stores in Ny , Nikon USA other blogs and here have guessed at the wait time for the D850 between a week to 12 weeks or even longer....

Sooo What say you? Bite the bullit for the 850, settle for the 500 or pick up an older body???
I have 2 Nikon d-80 from way back. I use one as a ... (show quote)

Buy the best you can afford! The D850 has lots of great reviews, and the D810 is also a very good camera.

I upgraded from the D7000 to the D810 just before the D850 came out. Since I was still learning to take advantage of the D810's capabilities, it was not practical to jump in for a D850. That said, I am very happy with the D810, it is an excellent camera. And, as OP have said, there are plenty of pre-owned D810's available after all the trade-ins by those jumping to buy the D850. Just consider the advantages/disadvantages of used vs. new such as the warranty length, and difference in price. I bought mine new but in November a couple of years ago with a generous sale price from B&H.

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Jun 21, 2018 12:09:35   #
amfoto1 Loc: San Jose, Calif. USA
 
JR69 wrote:
I have 2 Nikon d-80 from way back. I use one as a second camera and the wife uses the other on full auto. I upgraded to FX with the D600 when it came out. After two sensor cleanings and a shutter replacements, Nikon USA replaced it with my current 610. I would like better low light results. Native iso is only 6400 and perhaps 3000 is my limit with acceptable noise. Higher frames per second would be nice for airshows, car races and birds in flight. My 24.3 Megapixel is adequate but a higher mgpxl could be nice for cropping.

My glass consists of: Nikkor 17-35mm 2.8 D, Nikkor 50mm 1.8 D, Nikkor 60mm 2.8 G Micro, Nikkor 70-200mm 2.8 G II VR , Nikkor 300mm 2.8G II VR, Nikon AF-S TeleconverterTC-20EIII along with a few DX lens for the d80's

Bodies I am considering: 750 but not much of improvement over 610.. I pick up 1 stop on the iso, same fps 6, more focus points 51 but I tend to use single. Expeed 4
Down side old body and I understand it's on its 3rd recall. Price is cheap. $1500.

D810 much like the 750 but 36 Mgpxl, older than the D750. They are still selling them but not on the Nikon USA web page under FX cameras. $2800.

The D850 and the D500 look like sweethearts.. All I hear is good things about the 850 except the wait time to get one. It's a tad more than I want to spend. Good low end iso at 64 but only 25,600 on the high end. fps is only 7 and with the battery pack 9fps. The D500 also looks sweet with features better than the 850 - iso 100-51200 , higher fps 10. Down side is its a DX.. That would help with the field of view with the long glass but I would then need a great DX wide angle zoom. The D500 for all you get is cheap also at $1900. Both have exceed 5

Numerous sources, big box stores in Ny , Nikon USA other blogs and here have guessed at the wait time for the D850 between a week to 12 weeks or even longer....

Sooo What say you? Bite the bullit for the 850, settle for the 500 or pick up an older body???
I have 2 Nikon d-80 from way back. I use one as a ... (show quote)


It really depends upon WHAT you shoot, too.

If you shoot sports, wildlife, etc.... the longest lens you've got is 300mm and a DX camera like the D500 would make that "act like a 450mm" without having to add a teleconverter (and even longer when used with your 1.4X). DX cameras are ideal for long telephoto work, leveraging your lenses to "do more". There can be some significant savings of size, weight and money in lenses, too, if you use big telephotos a lot If you don't need the 10 frames per sec speed and top-of-the-line autofocus system, a D7500 (same 21MP sensor as D500) or even a D7200 (a higher 24MP) might serve very well, too.

But if you primarily shoot landscapes, portraits, macro, architecture.... you'll want wide, and possibly low light capabilities, and more control over depth of field... all of which are better done with an FX camera like the D810 or D850. And since relatively high resolution models like the D850 and D810 can be used in "DX mode", they also might be more versatile. IQ of the DX camera is slightly better than the DX crop from the FX camera. A DX camera may also be faster, smaller, lighter and cost a lot less.

D850.... $3300 body only (FX, 46MP... 7 fps, 153-point AF, DX crop mode = 20MP)
D810.... $2800 body only (FX, 36MP... 5 fps, 51-point AF, DX crop mode = 15.5MP)
D750.... $2000 body only (FX, 24MP... 6.5 fps, 51-point AF, DX crop mode = 10MP)
D500.... $1900 body only (DX, 21MP... 10 fps, 153-point AF)
D7500.. $1150 body only (DX, 21MP... 8 fps, 51-point AF)
D7200.. $800 body only (DX, 24MP... 6 fps, 51-point AF)

Most (all?) of the above are currently being offered with a free vertical battery grip and extra battery.

When it comes to high ISOs and noise, all the above are likely to be able to door better than your older cameras. There has been a lot of improvement in that respect, in recent DLSRs. The FX cameras a whole lot better... the latest DX cameras, not quite as much.

Also be sure your computer system is up to the task of handling 36MP or 46MP image files! That takes a lot of RAM, a fairly fast processor and lots of hard drive storage space! If computer upgrades are needed, that's some additional cost. Bigger, faster memory cards might be another expense, but those are pretty cheap these days.

So, DX cameras can be a bit better choice for some things... FX for others. But, hey, maybe you should get one of each! A D810 and a D7200 aren't a whole lot more expensive than a D850. If you were to consider used or refurbished, you might even be able to buy two cameras for less than the price of the D850.

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Jun 21, 2018 12:11:15   #
astacus
 
D850 in the UK: £3,500.
D3S from mpb : 140K actuations (plenty left!) £790, or wex, 24K actuations, just over £1000

I would seriously consider the D3S, 'old' as it. And, I have a D850. There's something special about the D3S.

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