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Jun 14, 2018 18:41:08   #
dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho
 
mleemcc wrote:
Hi! I’m a hs art teacher and painter. I started a photo club this year even though I had no idea about photography. I was blown away by the photos the kids showed me, mostly freshmen. This is probably because they have been taking pix forever on their phones. They just showed a lot of personality and a natural ability to compose a pix. I have no idea if they are technically any good. So here’s why I’m here. Where do I begin to learn so I can offer something to my students other than transferable painting skills -composition, color, value, etc. I don’t know how to use the DSLR I purchased other than automatic l settings. A book, videos or just a skill to focus on first would be great advice! Looking forward to learning from you all! Lee
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As an art teacher you should be able to recognize good composition, subject matter and use of light. That would be a good start. Then you might use your own camera to take photos and learn what can be done to achieve better photos using proper aperture and shutter speed.

Dennis

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Jun 14, 2018 18:56:01   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
lamiaceae wrote:
Yes, "They insist that their students learn film processes first, "because you can't teach digital photography without understanding film first."" I might have thought or said that too since I really like the history of fields, in arts and sciences. But for completeness sake I would have had to have learned in college Daguerreotyping before using a view camera with Plus-X 4x5" sheet film. And since I was also using color films, my entry in to photographic tools and techniques began in 1935, not 1837 or 1977. So I concede to your point.

Yet, personally as noted I love the history of "things" and am glad I learned film photography decades ago as so many issues that confuse newbies about digital photography are second nature to me now.
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History is fine. Enforced repetition of it is not. Using old processes should be a free choice.

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Jun 14, 2018 19:53:15   #
tinwhistle
 
You have already received a ton of good advice, and I'm not sure you will even be looking this far back for more, but here's my two cents worth anyway. As an artist and painter you are already very familiar with composition, light, etc., but what you are lacking is the "tool" knowledge ie the camera. Read the manual, read the manual, and when you have finished that read the manual. And take tons of pictures; never leave the house without your camera. A must is to learn the exposure triangle and there are a ton of good books out there for that, some have been mentioned. You have about 2 1/2 months to learn all this stuff, so you should be good to go by school start up. Good luck...

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Jun 14, 2018 22:06:23   #
jbmauser Loc: Roanoke, VA
 
I started a photo club a year ago. all adults and going gangbusters. Here is my suggestion or rather what I would do in your position. You said the kids are producing impressive work now. I would give them a theme or topic to photograph at each meeting and then review their images at the next meeting. task them with photographing subjects they are not used to. Abstract, people, minimalism, color, texture, shadows etc, Then have a review of all the work, make them submit just a few they think are their best and then have them all look at each other work and you must lead them to really look at the images and see what works. No negative comments only what works and if something might be done differently a suggestion. Teach them to really see the world and look for beauty. Camera skills will follow. I would recommend you look for a adult photo club and join and draft knowledgeable photographers to come to you meetings and make subject themed presentations. It will all come together.

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Jun 15, 2018 00:42:39   #
Real Nikon Lover Loc: Simi Valley, CA
 
mleemcc wrote:
Hi! I’m a hs art teacher and painter. I started a photo club this year even though I had no idea about photography. I was blown away by the photos the kids showed me, mostly freshmen. This is probably because they have been taking pix forever on their phones. They just showed a lot of personality and a natural ability to compose a pix. I have no idea if they are technically any good. So here’s why I’m here. Where do I begin to learn so I can offer something to my students other than transferable painting skills -composition, color, value, etc. I don’t know how to use the DSLR I purchased other than automatic l settings. A book, videos or just a skill to focus on first would be great advice! Looking forward to learning from you all! Lee
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Jun 15, 2018 00:56:50   #
pbradin Loc: Florida
 
Since you are already an artist, then you probably know all the "rules" about composition and moving the viewer's eye across the image. My suggestion is to see if there is a local camera club and attend a meeting or two to see if you feel comfortable there. Don't feel bad that you are a "newbie". We all started out knowing squat. Most clubs are warm and welcoming to new people. Camera clubs are wonderful ways to learn about many different aspects of photography and also to learn the "quirks" about your particular camera quickly from someone who is a regular user of the camera you have. Getting into a group environment with photographers is almost always fun. You may even want to have a speaker or two come to your class from the club (if that is allowed at your school). The members of the club can give you suggestions of good places to go for particular subjects for members of your class. Good luck and keep an open mind.

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Jun 15, 2018 01:23:24   #
copladocus
 
Largobob wrote:
Although there have been a number of good suggestions given....everyone has missed the most valuable resource. YOUR STUDENTS!

Show interest in their efforts. Ask them to explain what they did and WHY. Have an informal photo contest....let the group make a list of the attributes that made the better images more appealing. Have them teach you! You don't have to be the "sage on the stage."...... I am a retired educator (engineering, chemistry, physics). Over the years, I learned more from my students than I ever taught them. We learned together.
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Bob said it. Let your students teach you. A photo-socratic method of instruction. Have them tell you how they produced their photos. Was it by accident or can they duplicate it through knowledge of the fundamentals? Ask them why a particular photo "works." Why is it good and have them tell you what separates an okay photo from an outstanding image. I too taught at the collegiate level and I too learned a lot from my students. With photography there is the technical side and an artistic side and the best photographers are masters of both.

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Jun 15, 2018 02:40:15   #
anotherview Loc: California
 
The voice of experience. I generally agree with your assessment of film photography. The film diehards will remain for a while, though.
Yet the future of photography lies with the digital mode.
burkphoto wrote:
Read Understanding Exposure by Bryan Petersen and Stunning Digital Photography by Tony Northrup.

Oh, my kind mantra: RTFM — Read The *Fine* Manual. ‘Japlish’ isn’t fun to read, and wading through several hundred pages of technological gaga may be torture, but it WILL make you a more tech-savvy photographer.

If your school library or public library has a set of the Time-Life Library of Photography, read or skim that, as it provides many perspectives on many topics in the discipline.

The smartphone and the Internet have democratized photography, a “sport”, hobby, art, or profession that used to have very high barriers to entry (expenses and learning curve). Now, over 90% of all images are made on phone cameras. Photo and video sharing sites are jammed full of great images. There’s still 80% “crap”, but much of that is better than the “good” imagery of 40 years ago.

That’s good! It means your students take for granted many of the concepts we used to have to learn. They still need to learn digital technology (adjustable cameras, various lights, computers, software, calibration tools, printers...), but they already know/assume/process more about imaging than we did prior to 1999.

Your ability to teach and function as a digital photographer is heavily dependent on your knowledge of computers, and the software tools used for imaging. Don’t let it intimidate you, or your students. All of what you learn is applicable to the ENTIRE field of “convergence media” — electronic text composition/typography, telephony, video, audio, photography, web design, and all the combinations and permutations of them.

Regarding film photography: Film is dead! Long live film! It’s now a niche medium. It’s used mostly by old photographers, art teachers, their students, and technological luddites. If you like it, fine. I used it long enough — from 1960 to 2005. I had several B&W and color darkrooms, made tens of thousands of slides as a multi-image AV producer, and ran various parts of a large photo lab in both the film era and the early digital era (1987 to 2005). So I know, first hand, that digital processes are far more precise, predictable, controllable, versatile, practical, and efficient than film/optical/chemical processes. But they do require a broader knowledge base!

Dr. Nicholas Negroponte said it best, over a decade ago: “Bits beat atoms.” Modern and most future imaging is digital. To use film images, other than as prints, we must scan them to digital files.

Your students already understand and believe that bits DO beat atoms! They grew up with mice and smartphones in their hands. I encourage you to teach film imaging as an historical element of photography, and digital imaging as what your students are most likely to use. I can assure you, I’ve not found anything digital photography cannot achieve better than film.

Film may seem to be a less costly medium for schools to teach! It does have a certain “cool factor” for some folks. The catch is, it is no longer the mainstream medium of choice. So teaching film *without*, or *instead of*, or *as a prerequisite to*, digital media, could be cruel and unusual punishment for students.

Digital photography is a crucial element of a MUCH broader media environment. There is art to it, but it is also a visual language, with many related and inter-woven disciplines. You may want to partner with a computer science teacher and/or electronic media arts teacher, English teacher, or journalism teacher to fashion curricula.
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Jun 15, 2018 11:34:26   #
R.G. Loc: Scotland
 
mleemcc wrote:
......transferable painting skills -composition, color, value, etc......


That's by far the most important part. If you know what makes for a good drawing or painting you know what makes for a good photo - the only difference is the method of achieving the same objective. The biggest gaps in your understanding of photography will be on the technical side. Apart from the exposure triangle (which should be self-evident), find out how aperture affects depth of field. It should then be a small matter to get a feel for the sort of shutter speeds that are needed to freeze different kinds of movement (not just subject movement but also camera shake). And once you understand the connection between ISO, noise and dynamic range, you'll be at the 99% point.

The most common things that spoil photos are poor focus (insufficient depth of field, not focusing on the intended subject etc), motion blur (caused by subject movement), camera shake, blown highlights and photographing the shadow side of things against a bright background. That and the obvious composition mistakes (chopping off heads, feet etc).

You are probably further along the learning curve than you realise, and you are already in a position to give the most important advice to your pupils.

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Jun 16, 2018 09:50:09   #
mleemcc
 
That’s what I told them! I can say this because it’s a club and I’m a voluntary moderator, not getting paid for my “knowledge”. I think I said this but these kids were born with a viewfinder in hand. They are naturals. It’s pretty awesome.

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