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Jun 10, 2018 18:28:35   #
edrobinsonjr Loc: Boise, Idaho
 
OneShotOne18 wrote:
What is the difference between shooting in " Auto " and " P " ? The manual says A is for PnS and P is for letting the camera adjust the settings. I don't see a diff.


P mode allows you to make many more setting changes but still controls the shutter and aperture. Auto pretty much takes over the camera.

Ed

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Jun 10, 2018 19:45:03   #
sv3noKin51E
 
Amfoto1, Bravo. No sarcasm, since some of us are shooters not teachers. It's not easy to explain the subject in concise terms that non-photographers can grasp. Having read so many queries of this nature, ie, whats 'A', whats 'P', whats 'M', it's good of you to put it succinctly. That anyone who purchases a DSLR can't be bothered to download and actually read the manufacturer's manual, yet can post in internet forums, is interesting, but another topic. Along with automobiles that cost thousands and come with manuals that no one bothers to read, this sort of question is bound to crop up. It's difficult to grasp why anyone purchasing a DSLR, wouldn't bother to download and read the manual provided, but it's not difficult to believe trolls wouldn't bother post questions such as, what 'A' 'P' or 'Tv' means, and so many times results in answers, "Auto, Professional or Cable."

In the past, Nikon nor other manufacturers bothered providing detailed manuals until digital media made it inexpensive. They did have marketing departments with great photos clearly showing the top, front and back of the cameras. A surgeon buddy once asked my advice, what the letters on the dial meant. He said it was a gift for his daughter (he was into Polaroids so it was a big thing). Since I'd shot his daughter's wedding, it was a mutual appreciation event. When the FE/FE2/FA arrived, dealers sometimes had brochures in the rack, but no one had a manual in those days. Buyers either knew how to use a camera or paid for courses, and no one ever volunteered good information, which didn't involve an exchange of funds. There was no internet and no forums to ask. Cameras/lenses were just as expensive then as now, given inflation A good deal of effort is put into manuals, yet the manufacturers can be a bit obtuse at times, or don't explain the systems well enough that those starting out can get a handle on operations. Some of the double-speak in the manuals confuses even the old hands. Providing a good, easily understood answer as you and others have done should be appreciated. sv.

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Jun 10, 2018 20:05:02   #
lamiaceae Loc: San Luis Obispo County, CA
 
OneShotOne18 wrote:
What is the difference between shooting in " Auto " and " P " ? The manual says A is for PnS and P is for letting the camera adjust the settings. I don't see a diff.


P=Program, as others said it allows some auto setting constraints. Some cameras also have one or more Custom modes (C1, C2, etc.) that allow you to set up custom settings. Personally I only use M, Av, Tv, X.

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Jun 10, 2018 21:11:27   #
royb_36-cox.net Loc: Phoenix
 
amfoto1 wrote:
P is "Program auto exposure" where you choose the ISO, while the camera chooses both what it "thinks" are an appropriate lens aperture (f-stop) and an appropriate shutter speed to make a "correct" exposure. You get to make changes to other camera settings, such as choosing white balance, selecting the type of file to save, adjusting auto focus as you see fit for the situation, tweaking exposure with Exposure Compensation, etc.

Full "Auto" is basically a "point n shoot" mode that not only uses the P auto exposure (AE) mode as described above, but it also overrides and dictates everything else listed and more. You cannot make any of those other choices. The camera will only use Auto White Balance, only save large/fine JPEG files, force you to use the most automated auto focus mode, won't let you dial in any Exposure Compensation, etc. Think of it as a "SUPER Auto" mode... way more than just auto exposure and far from the same as "P".

Honestly, I cannot recall ever using full Auto (sometimes "A+") on any DSLR I've used the past 14 or 15 years. I have a couple compact P&S cameras where I've occasionally used it for "snapshots".

I do very occasionally use P on my DSLRs... Usually only when shooting very fast and I don't have time to give the settings much thought. Often this is when I'm switching modes to take a few shots under radically different lighting, then switching back.

But far more often I use either...

1. Av (also A on some cameras) "aperture priority" AE, where I select the aperture and ISO, the camera chooses a shutter speed. Useful when I want to control depth of field in images.

2. Or Tv (S on some cameras) "shutter priority" AE where I select the shutter and ISO, the camera chooses an aperture. Useful when I want to insure a shutter speed that freezes movement or deliverately allows blur.

3. Or M (full manual, without Auto ISO) where I select everything and don't allow the camera to make any settings. Useful when I really want to lock down my exposures, avoid issues from back lighting and other things that can throw off auto exposure modes.

4. Or occasionally M with Auto ISO, which many cameras now offer. When it's combined with M this makes for yet another form of auto exposure, where I choose the shutter speed and the aperture for the above reasons, but let the camera select an ISO. This is probably the most misunderstood and most overused mode now. I've just been experimenting with it for a year or so (first time I've had cameras where it's fully implemented and usable). Often folks use Auto ISO with M and think they're "only shooting manual", as if that's something special (it's not ). They're just kidding themselves though, because they aren't really shooting manual at all.... they are just using a relatively new form of auto exposure. (Further.... I'd never combine Auto ISO with P, Av/A or Tv/S... because with Auto ISO any of those would become a rather unpredictable "double AE" mode... and I really can't think of any situation where such a combo might be purposeful and helpful).

Hope this helps!
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Excellent finally!

My prospective is that P, Av or Tv modes with fixed ISO are the same except 1) in P mode the camera selects an A and T pair which provides the correct exposure based on the other settings of the camera like ISO and exposure compensation but the user can change the pair selected by another manual control on the camera or alternatively can increase or decrease the ISO which in turn will cause the camera to change both the A and T in directions to correct the exposure which are of course different then just selecting a different pair to maintain the exposure for a set ISO, 2) the Av mode is the same expect the user selects the aperture and the camera sets the speed (or shutter Time) for the correct exposure which can be further controlled by setting the ISO and 3) the Tv mode works like the Av mode except the user sets the shutter speed instead of the aperture. In my experience the Av mode followed by the Tv mode are the most useful and most used modes by those, including myself, when they don't use the A or M settings.

As noted in previous posts other settings like forced flash are only available in these three modes plus the manual mode.

Their value is that even though they can be used an a very similar manner as the manual mode to set both A and T (but don't have to be), shifts in the light, especially in an outdoor environment are automatically compensated by both A and T shifts in the P mode and either the A or T shifts in the other two modes.

This was a very difficult expanded explanation to write, I hope it was useful to some.

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Jun 10, 2018 21:13:16   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
lamiaceae wrote:
P=Program, as others said it allows some auto setting constraints. Some cameras also have one or more Custom modes (C1, C2, etc.) that allow you to set up custom settings. Personally I only use M, Av, Tv, X.


I use all the settings: P, A, S, M, Movie, C1, C2, C3, Art, iA, and iA+. Panasonic GH4...

iA+ is very useful when recording raw images in run and gun situations. It allows lots of control while automating the essentials.

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Jun 14, 2018 09:21:47   #
dhowland
 
On mine (Pentax DSLRs) Auto mode is fully auto -- all decisions by the camera -- while in P mode, the camera selects shutter and aperture, but leaves other controls to the photog. (The way Aperture priority leaves Aperture size to the photog and Shutter priority leaves shutter speed control to the photog.)

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