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Jun 6, 2018 10:41:54   #
yorkiebyte Loc: Scottsdale, AZ/Bandon by the Sea, OR
 
gvarner wrote:
I forget this from time to time, getting all hung up on the gear we have. There were several great artists who used the lowly Polaroid as their medium. Granted they had a higher grade of Polaroid, the SX70, at a time when there were a lot more options available from camera makers and film manufacturers. And we all know how impressive the products from cell phones can be in this modern age. Industry advertising wants us to believe that the higher the tech, the better the art. I think not. So what do we teach first to a youngster, artistic vision or technical proficiency? Both are important but I think that artistic vision provides the foundation and the gear provides the means of expression. Without the vision of our destination, we're just driving the car down the road with no particular place to go, snap snap snap.
I forget this from time to time, getting all hung ... (show quote)


*"artistic vision provides the foundation"* That.

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Jun 6, 2018 10:51:32   #
wayne barnett Loc: Grants Pass, Oregon
 
For those that think that images created with paint and brush is art, consider a set of paints and brushes laying on an easel. They will lay there until a human, usually, picks them up and uses the brushes to apply paint to a surface.

The same with a camera, Film or digital. The camera will not take a picture without a human intervening.

The reason a person uses any medium probably defines whether it is art or just an image. Many of us use a camera to just record events in our lives. Some of us us a camera to record images that we believe are artsy. How those images are 'developed' depends on the medium we are using. In the darkroom with film we developed the film to get the raw data to create a image on paper. Rare would it be that we just printed a shot without adjusting the exposure to the paper, considered the contrast, cropping of the unwanted parts of the original image or dodging and burning to adjust the image to what we wanted the final result to represent.

The same is true in the digital world, except it is all done in a computer. The camera and computer will not fix any of the issues with the recorded images until a human intervenes. I know this because I have left many images on my computer for months and they are still the same as when I copied them to the hard drive.

On this blog there are many examples of both types of photography, snapshots to record events and works of art. The great majority are of the first type. To produce the second type requires time, vision and technical skill. Not everyone chooses to develop these skill-sets, film or digital.

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Jun 6, 2018 10:57:38   #
amyinsparta Loc: White county, TN
 
Define 'art'.

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Jun 6, 2018 11:36:28   #
traderjohn Loc: New York City
 
Darkroom317 wrote:
I use none of what you mention. No batteries and no software.

What you have posted is a very narrow view of photography. Photography is any image created by recording light with light sensitive media. This can be achieved by using a digital sensor, film, commercially coated paper, hand coated paper etc... There are a vast number of techniques beyond what you have stated.


You need a camera to start the process. There is nothing wrong with being a photographer. You can't enhance what it is and embellish the end result as art.

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Jun 6, 2018 11:51:59   #
Darkroom317 Loc: Mishawaka, IN
 
traderjohn wrote:
You need a camera to start the process. There is nothing wrong with being a photographer. You can't enhance what it is and embellish the end result as art.


You implied that photography is only electronic, which it isn't. You seem focused on the embellished part (processing), however, this has nothing to do with art or not. A lot of what defines art is purpose and intention. An image created as art is art from the very moment it is created. What is art is also not dependent upon craft. One can create a perfectly crafted image and have the most boring, uninteresting and meaningless image. Art is about combing aesthetics and message.

Also, a camera is not needed to produced photographs, only a light sensitive surface is required. https://hyperallergic.com/305997/a-history-of-photography-in-which-the-camera-is-absent/

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Jun 6, 2018 11:58:00   #
artBob Loc: Near Chicago
 
Photography and various equipment are just other media. One thing a true artist leans learns is use the media properly. If you try to use watercolor like oil paint, you face disaster. If someone with artistic intent and talent finds a Polaroid, old snap camera, or Hasselblad in their hands, that instrument becomes a part of the creation's possibilities.

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Jun 6, 2018 12:05:59   #
gvarner Loc: Central Oregon Coast
 
amyinsparta wrote:
Define 'art'.


Art: whatever is in the eye of the beholder.

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Jun 6, 2018 12:06:27   #
Leitz Loc: Solms
 
gvarner wrote:
Photos are the medium for art

A lot of painters would consider that a ridiculous statement.

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Jun 6, 2018 12:07:25   #
sippyjug104 Loc: Missouri
 
Beauty, as well as art, is in the eye of the beholder as it is said. Critics and experts call this "art" and someone was willing to pay $110,400,000 for it at auction.

The next time you take a picture that you are not happy with it, regardless of why (even if you left the lens cap on), it surely has to be better than this highly acclaimed "art".

Sold for $110.4 Million Dollars
Sold for $110.4 Million Dollars...
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Jun 6, 2018 12:11:17   #
gvarner Loc: Central Oregon Coast
 
Leitz wrote:
A lot of painters would consider that a ridiculous statement.


The frame here is photography. For photographers, the photo is their medium in a general sense as the canvas is the medium for the painter and wood is the medium for a woodworker. Harumph harrumph.

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Jun 6, 2018 12:21:06   #
artBob Loc: Near Chicago
 
sippyjug104 wrote:
Beauty, as well as art, is in the eye of the beholder as it is said. Critics and experts call this "art" and someone was willing to pay $110,400,000 for it at auction.

The next time you take a picture that you are not happy with it, regardless of why (even if you left the lens cap on), it surely has to be better than this highly acclaimed "art".


Would you criticize the discovery of the Higgs Bosun by CERN as phony? Excuse me, but you do not know enough to claim the artwork you posted proves art is in the eye of the beholder. After a great deal of experience, you might be able to rationally make a critique. Another example. If, having never tasted martinis, you claim a martini made with a certain gin is terrible, your opinion is worthless to anyone but you.

Closer to the truth, would be "Art (or Beauty) is in the eyes of BEHOLDERS who know something."

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Jun 6, 2018 12:22:04   #
sippyjug104 Loc: Missouri
 
gvarner, you're right and I could not agree with you. Photography (which is painting with light), conventional paintings, sculpture, woodwork, etc. can all take artistic talent and creativity. I am just expressing by this picture what is considered to be beauty and artistic to some is viewed as quite silly or absurd to others.

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Jun 6, 2018 12:22:43   #
sippyjug104 Loc: Missouri
 
Should read, "could not agree with you more".

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Jun 6, 2018 12:29:14   #
Darkroom317 Loc: Mishawaka, IN
 
sippyjug104 wrote:
Beauty, as well as art, is in the eye of the beholder as it is said. Critics and experts call this "art" and someone was willing to pay $110,400,000 for it at auction.

The next time you take a picture that you are not happy with it, regardless of why (even if you left the lens cap on), it surely has to be better than this highly acclaimed "art".


I like Basquiat's work. However, my biggest issue with the art world and the art market is the insane valuation of certain artists like Basquiat, Damien Hirst and Jeff Koons. This is more of an issue with our socio-economic system rather than an art issue.

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Jun 6, 2018 13:22:29   #
rook2c4 Loc: Philadelphia, PA USA
 
traderjohn wrote:
Photography is not art. A photographer uses a battery-powered plastic/metal object to take the picture. The camera through a variety of different modes incorporated into the camera and through integration with a lens takes the electronic manipulated picture and stores the picture on a plastic device. The picture is then subject to a post-processing indoctrination with a variety of software programs operated by different sliders to enhance, deceive exaggerate the end result. The end result is an electronically produced product. A photograph.
Photography is not art. A photographer uses a batt... (show quote)


Some of my cameras are not electronic at all and, with the exception of an added auxiliary flash unit, require no batteries whatsoever to operate. To claim that photography using those non-electronic cameras may qualify as art while photography using a digital camera does not qualify as art is, in my opinion, rather far-fetched. It all has the potential to be art.

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