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Jun 1, 2018 09:07:34   #
gvarner Loc: Central Oregon Coast
 
You knew what your 28 and 50 and 100mm lenses could do but you don't know if the 18mm on the 18-55 zoom is a wide angle? Huh?

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Jun 1, 2018 11:27:44   #
Busch Loc: San Diego
 
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Jun 1, 2018 11:43:01   #
CatMarley Loc: North Carolina
 
M. Beck wrote:
I'm from SW Wisconsin and the hummingbirds appear here about the last week in April. I'm always excited to see them return from Costa Rico.
Having trouble getting some good pix of the little guys. I have a feeder just outside my kitchen window. During the winter months I took some photos of Juncoes and other small birds at our feeder. They sit still long enough for a good picture oppportunity.
> Love watching the "hummers", but sure would like to take some good > pix of them. There's a venetian blind in front of the window, which I
> think makes the "hummers" feel somewhat safe at the nearby feeder because they don't see us moving around. Raising it usually scares them away.
>
> I'm shooting a Canon EOs Rebel T5i DSLR with a kit lens, EFS 18-55 mm.
>
> Used to shoot bxw film with a Canon FtB (newspaper work). Had a 50mm a 28
> mm and a 100 mm lens. I knew the capabilities of each lens. I'm
> a little bit unsure what this lens is supposed to do. I've got it simply because it came in a package with the body and spending extra money for additional lenses was not a possibility. I 'm fairly new to the camera--about six months
>
> So I'm asking a bunch of things at one time. What is this kit lens
> supposed to do? Is the 18mm setting for wide angle? How about 55m? Not
> really telephoto. Do I need a telephoto for my photos of hummers?

> The camera has a bunch of choices, on a dial, e.g., landscape, portrait (and
> automatic) which as a former FtB shooter I have been avoiding. I like the
> DSLR because I can see my shots right away. No time in the darkroom.
>
> Please give me some ideas.
>
> Thank you.

M. Beck
>
I'm from SW Wisconsin and the hummingbirds appear ... (show quote)


I will tell you what I do. I use a 200 mm lens (crop camera) and I manually pre focus at a spot where I expect the birds to approach. I use F8, and 1/1000 shutter. I set the camera to continuous fire, and when the bird comes in I fire a series of about 6 - 8 frames. I shoot THROUGH the Kitchen window. Here are some samples:


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Jun 1, 2018 12:33:22   #
robertjerl Loc: Corona, California
 
Shoeless_Photographer wrote:
You can get their 70-300mm f/4-5.6 IS II USM lens for $430 brand new from Amazon right now:


http://www.amazon.com/Canon-70-300mm-4-5-6-Lens-Model/dp/B07BF96FGK/


There are several different Canon 70-300 lens models and some are much better than the others. The older models are still made and sold because the price is low and attracts sales.

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Jun 1, 2018 12:36:03   #
CatMarley Loc: North Carolina
 
CatMarley wrote:
I will tell you what I do. I use a 200 mm lens (crop camera) and I manually pre focus at a spot where I expect the birds to approach. I use F8, and 1/1000 shutter. I set the camera to continuous fire, and when the bird comes in I fire a series of about 6 - 8 frames. I shoot THROUGH the Kitchen window. Here are some samples:


I don't like using flash on animals - they don't like it - and it flattens them out , they lose their 3 dimensionality I like to see the shape of the animal that natural light gives them. Very good studio light would also work, but not on wild animals.

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Jun 1, 2018 12:41:05   #
RRS Loc: Not sure
 
robertjerl wrote:
First get a book on the T5i these are easier to use than the manual: https://www.barnesandnoble.com/s/Canon+T5i?_requestid=6262070

You can download the manual if you don't have it already: http://gdlp01.c-wss.com/gds/5/0300010905/02/eos-rebelt5i-700d-im2-en.pdf

For Humming Birds here is a quick short article: https://digital-photography-school.com/how-to-photograph-hummingbirds/
More advanced article: http://www.firefallphotography.com/hummingbird-heaven/

Hummers are so agile and fast they quickly lose their fear of you, sit quietly in a chair near a nectar feeder filled with sugar water at 1 sugar to 4 water - google how to make nectar and care for the feeders. They develop mold and stuff that will make the birds sick or even kill them if not kept clean.
I have had hummers use my head for a racing pylon when playing chase the birdie in a dispute over territory/the feeder. When watering plants or filling the feeders I have had them buzz my head so close I feel the air from their wings. Once while filling the nectar feeder I had one circle me, hover and glare (Hurry Up! I want nectar, now!!) make repeated runs past my ear and hands and even buzz the feeder in my hand then hover where is hangs like he was telling me to put it back, now.
That 18-55 (wide to a bit over normal perspective) is a bit short for me but when they get real close it will work. The shortest lens I use for hummers is a 100 mm macro at about 6 feet. I also use a 180 mm macro (with and without a 1.4x extender) on an 80D & 7DII and I have the 100-400L + 1.4x III extender.
For you I would recommend you get a lens of at least 300 mm, like the 70-300 or a Tamron 100-400, either can be found for under $500 refurbished and ??? used. I knew a guy who haunted Thrift stores and pawn shops for lenses. Try the Canon Store's Refurbished site, they have good prices and the warranty is 1 year just like new lenses.
First get a book on the T5i these are easier to us... (show quote)


Quick question, I've been using a mix of 3 parts water to 1 part sugar, is that too strong?

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Jun 1, 2018 12:51:46   #
CatMarley Loc: North Carolina
 
RRS wrote:
Quick question, I've been using a mix of 3 parts water to 1 part sugar, is that too strong?


Most advise 4 to one.

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Jun 1, 2018 12:56:55   #
robertjerl Loc: Corona, California
 
RRS wrote:
Quick question, I've been using a mix of 3 parts water to 1 part sugar, is that too strong?

All the sites I have checked say 4 to 1. For Oriole feeders they say 6 to 1 but the Orioles in my yard go to the hummingbird feeders half the time so I fill all of them with the 4 to 1 mix.
Smithsonian's recipe http://nationalzoo.si.edu/migratory-birds/hummingbird-nectar-recipe
Domino Sugar http://www.dominosugar.com/baking-tips-how-tos/hummingbird-nectar-recipe
Audubon Society https://www.audubon.org/news/how-make-hummingbird-nectar

You can just google how to make humming bird nectar and get pages of recipes and they all say plain refined white sugar at 4 water to 1 sugar. Either boil the water first or do what lazy people like me do - I use bottled purified drinking water (not distilled-no minerals) it is $3.88 at Sam's Club or $3.89 at Costco for 6 one gallon bottles - I also use it in the coffee maker. So the birds and I are both happy (well the wife and oldest son also drink coffee).

You also have to clean the feeders regularly - the hotter the weather, the more frequently you clean. I clean with soapy water and a bit of bleach, then wash that out with vinegar* and water then rinse 3 or 4 times with clean water. I have found that the glass feeders are easier to clean than the plastic and develop less mold (spores imbed in pores in the plastic????)

* commercial vinegar is cheap at Sam's and Costco and a cup in the dish washer cuts down and clears out mineral deposits from hard water. It is food grade and can be used to make salad dressing etc. as well as cleaning the coffee maker.

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Jun 1, 2018 14:31:51   #
RRS Loc: Not sure
 
Thanks to both of you, I just added another cup of boiled water to our mix this morning and will see how that works. The last thing I want to do is to have diabetic humming birds because of too much sugar.

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Jun 1, 2018 14:48:00   #
lamiaceae Loc: San Luis Obispo County, CA
 
M. Beck wrote:
I'm from SW Wisconsin and the hummingbirds appear here about the last week in April. I'm always excited to see them return from Costa Rico.
Having trouble getting some good pix of the little guys. I have a feeder just outside my kitchen window. During the winter months I took some photos of Juncoes and other small birds at our feeder. They sit still long enough for a good picture oppportunity.
> Love watching the "hummers", but sure would like to take some good > pix of them. There's a venetian blind in front of the window, which I
> think makes the "hummers" feel somewhat safe at the nearby feeder because they don't see us moving around. Raising it usually scares them away.
>
> I'm shooting a Canon EOs Rebel T5i DSLR with a kit lens, EFS 18-55 mm.
>
> Used to shoot bxw film with a Canon FtB (newspaper work). Had a 50mm a 28
> mm and a 100 mm lens. I knew the capabilities of each lens. I'm
> a little bit unsure what this lens is supposed to do. I've got it simply because it came in a package with the body and spending extra money for additional lenses was not a possibility. I 'm fairly new to the camera--about six months
>
> So I'm asking a bunch of things at one time. What is this kit lens
> supposed to do? Is the 18mm setting for wide angle? How about 55m? Not
> really telephoto. Do I need a telephoto for my photos of hummers?

> The camera has a bunch of choices, on a dial, e.g., landscape, portrait (and
> automatic) which as a former FtB shooter I have been avoiding. I like the
> DSLR because I can see my shots right away. No time in the darkroom.
>
> Please give me some ideas.
>
> Thank you.

M. Beck
>
I'm from SW Wisconsin and the hummingbirds appear ... (show quote)


That's sad you only get Hummers for a week per year. In CA we have several visitor and migratory Hummingbirds at various times per year plus two year-long residents, Anna's Hummingbird and Allen's Hummingbird.

I really have not tried hard myself to capture hummer images, but I should.

Yes, your guess about your 18-55mm is about right. Your T5i has a crop factor of 1.6 or 1/1.6. You can research that topic / concept elsewhere. I'm sick of such nonsense. Your 18mm setting would be about like a 28mm WA lens on your film FtB. The 55mm gives the perspective of a 90mm or Portrait lens on a film or say Full Frame camera like a Canon 5D mk iv. For doing any serious bird photography you need a longer lens. For Hummers you might get along with something in the 135mm (very minimum) to 200mm telephoto lens. For birds in general 300 to 400mm on the short side. I've gotten a few close by birds in my own yard with a 18-200mm zoom @ 200mm.

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Jun 1, 2018 14:52:54   #
lamiaceae Loc: San Luis Obispo County, CA
 
gvarner wrote:
You knew what your 28 and 50 and 100mm lenses could do but you don't know if the 18mm on the 18-55 zoom is a wide angle? Huh?


Hey, some people don't get the film to APS-C difference with out an explanation. The entire concept is silly to me since I understand it from having used many formats of film cameras in the past, 35mm, 6x7cm, 4x5", 8x10", etc. But many people have only worked with 35mm film or a digital P&S camera.

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Jun 1, 2018 15:29:44   #
CatMarley Loc: North Carolina
 
RRS wrote:
Thanks to both of you, I just added another cup of boiled water to our mix this morning and will see how that works. The last thing I want to do is to have diabetic humming birds because of too much sugar.


It is dehydration rather than diabetes with too little water. Better to give them a dilute solution during hot weather than a too concentrated one.

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Jun 1, 2018 16:08:42   #
bjwags
 
M. Beck wrote:
I'm from SW Wisconsin and the hummingbirds appear here about the last week in April. I'm always excited to see them return from Costa Rico.
Having trouble getting some good pix of the little guys. I have a feeder just outside my kitchen window. During the winter months I took some photos of Juncoes and other small birds at our feeder. They sit still long enough for a good picture oppportunity.
> Love watching the "hummers", but sure would like to take some good > pix of them. There's a venetian blind in front of the window, which I
> think makes the "hummers" feel somewhat safe at the nearby feeder because they don't see us moving around. Raising it usually scares them away.
>
> I'm shooting a Canon EOs Rebel T5i DSLR with a kit lens, EFS 18-55 mm.
>
> Used to shoot bxw film with a Canon FtB (newspaper work). Had a 50mm a 28
> mm and a 100 mm lens. I knew the capabilities of each lens. I'm
> a little bit unsure what this lens is supposed to do. I've got it simply because it came in a package with the body and spending extra money for additional lenses was not a possibility. I 'm fairly new to the camera--about six months
>
> So I'm asking a bunch of things at one time. What is this kit lens
> supposed to do? Is the 18mm setting for wide angle? How about 55m? Not
> really telephoto. Do I need a telephoto for my photos of hummers?

> The camera has a bunch of choices, on a dial, e.g., landscape, portrait (and
> automatic) which as a former FtB shooter I have been avoiding. I like the
> DSLR because I can see my shots right away. No time in the darkroom.
>
> Please give me some ideas.
>
> Thank you.

M. Beck
>
I'm from SW Wisconsin and the hummingbirds appear ... (show quote)


Im new to digital photography also and I also have a Canot 5i only for about 2 years. I read a lot about digital photography cuz I am determined to learn. I got one of those "Dummies" books specifically for Canon EOS Rebel T5i. It is so much better than the book that came with the camera. also You tube has some good videos on photographing Hummingbirds. But no way can I get the equipment they use!! My camera came with an 18 - 135 lens (kit) and I just bought a 200mm lens from Sigma. thats the one i used for my recent pictures posted here. You probably do need at least a 135 mm. I also used a remote cord cuz there is no time to get it up to my eye and focus on the bird. I set my camera on a tri pod, set the shutter speed and focused on the feeder . When the hummer showed up i just pushed the remote button. I was so excited with the results. Check out "I caught a Hummingbird" post. When my Bee Balm blooms I will try to get one at the flowers. I am totally inexperienced but want to get a good pic of a hummer. so I am working on it. I just got a tripod - and from what i read here from the experts one needs to get one of the very expensive brand name ones to be any good. I saw mine at Walmart for $26. Sit has a quick remove thingy so yu can take the camera off without screwing a screw, and it also has a level thingy. One has to consider that I am a 72 year house wife retired and my hubby is retired also. I cant justify getting a tripod that costs up to $1000 more or less. Same with a lens. i found a good buy on a Sigma 300mm lens so just bought that . That will probably be the end of buying a lens for me. I cant go hiking and lug around a tripod and heavy lens. So far im happy with what I got. Oh, I would like to get a macro lens since i cant go hiking in the mountains, I can take closes ups on flowers in my own yard or Phipps Conservatory in Pittsburgh.
Also i might try this some time this summer. We also have a feeder outside the kitchen window. I am going to try to place the tri pod outside the window (small porch), set it up, get it focused and speed set up. then put the remote cord thru the window and when i see one i will just push the button without scarying the little guy. I will try that next before the bee balm blooms. Remote cords are not expensive and can easily be obtained from Best Buy, Adaroma, B&H, or any camera store. Maybe even Wal Mart or like store. good luck Hope you can get a good picture. If little old me can do it, anyone can.

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Jun 1, 2018 18:12:19   #
RRS Loc: Not sure
 
CatMarley wrote:
It is dehydration rather than diabetes with too little water. Better to give them a dilute solution during hot weather than a too concentrated one.


Thanks "Cat", I should have put a after that remark about diabetes. We made the change this morning and so far we still have our hummers, which only goes to show that the nectar isn't sweeter on the other side of the fence, anymore!

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Jun 3, 2018 11:45:16   #
Boris Ekner Loc: From Sweden, living in Guatemala
 
M. Beck wrote:
I'm from SW Wisconsin and the hummingbirds appear here about the last week in April. I'm always excited to see them return from Costa Rico.
Having trouble getting some good pix of the little guys. I have a feeder just outside my kitchen window. During the winter months I took some photos of Juncoes and other small birds at our feeder. They sit still long enough for a good picture oppportunity.
> Love watching the "hummers", but sure would like to take some good > pix of them. There's a venetian blind in front of the window, which I
> think makes the "hummers" feel somewhat safe at the nearby feeder because they don't see us moving around. Raising it usually scares them away.
>
> I'm shooting a Canon EOs Rebel T5i DSLR with a kit lens, EFS 18-55 mm.
>
> Used to shoot bxw film with a Canon FtB (newspaper work). Had a 50mm a 28
> mm and a 100 mm lens. I knew the capabilities of each lens. I'm
> a little bit unsure what this lens is supposed to do. I've got it simply because it came in a package with the body and spending extra money for additional lenses was not a possibility. I 'm fairly new to the camera--about six months
>
> So I'm asking a bunch of things at one time. What is this kit lens
> supposed to do? Is the 18mm setting for wide angle? How about 55m? Not
> really telephoto. Do I need a telephoto for my photos of hummers?

> The camera has a bunch of choices, on a dial, e.g., landscape, portrait (and
> automatic) which as a former FtB shooter I have been avoiding. I like the
> DSLR because I can see my shots right away. No time in the darkroom.
>
> Please give me some ideas.
>
> Thank you.

M. Beck
>
I'm from SW Wisconsin and the hummingbirds appear ... (show quote)


35mm f2.8, 1/1600sec. Distance to bird: 40cm/16inches. Handheld.



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