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May 26, 2018 10:13:47   #
jcboy3
 
marciamyers wrote:
I have D750 and a Tamron 150-600....I can shoot the 750 in crop mode but it seems megapixels will go down to roughly 10. I want to print some bird photos but doubt I will go larger than 11 x 14. Will the reduced megapixels hurt the print quality and would I be better off with a D7200 and the same Tamron Fx lens....getting the same 900mm max but not losing resolution? D7200 has a good price now...799 body only, 999 w 2 kit lenses.... not sure I need the lenses though.....thanks for input, still new and sorting through the mass of info
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This is a common question. You can see a discussion here:

https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/3872075

The disadvantage of using crop mode with the D750 is that you have a smaller area that you need to keep the subject in, so it's harder to see. I have a Nikon magnifier that I can slip over the viewfinder that eliminates that problem (but it means you can't see the settings).

The advantage of using crop mode with the D750 is that the buffer depth in burst mode increases. Frame rate remains the same (6.5 per second max), but you can shoot longer. Now, I usually don't rip off a 40+ frame burst. But I may do a quick series of 5-6, and sometimes I get caught in a buffer slowdown. I would explore 12-bit compressed RAW before going to crop modes.

Note that the D750 has two crop modes: 1.2x and 1.5x. The 1.2x is a compromise between the two extremes; and you might try it first.

The D7200 AF compares with the D750 AF. If you are looking for a wildlife upgrade, then I would look at the D7500. It is pretty much a D500 in a D7200 body. One advantage of the D7500 over the D500 (besides the cost, weight, size issue) is that the D7500 uses the same accessory ports as the D750, whereas the D500 uses the accessory ports of the D5/D850. So if you have shutter releases for the D750, you can use them with the D7500 (but have to buy new ones for the D500).

The disadvantage of the D7500 is that it only has one memory card slot. For me, since I shoot with m4/3 a lot, that's pretty common. I rarely use the second slot my other Nikons, so I don't see it as a big deal.

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May 26, 2018 10:17:13   #
Bill_de Loc: US
 
Gene51 wrote:
Shooting birds you will always be cropping regardless of how long your lens is, unless you are really lucky and can get close. As long as you have at least 6 mp, you can make a 40x60 or even bigger, and no one but some dopey photographer who will walk up to the print to examine the fine detail will complain about image resolution.

The D750 will have lower resolution after cropping, whether you do it in camera or later in post processing, but the image quality may be better, because of the larger pixels.

Here is an example of a heavily cropped bird picture that I have printed to 16x20 and looks excellent. Taken with a 600mmF4, D800, no in-camera crop, however if I did I'd still crop it down to what you see, which is a hair under 6 mp. You wouldn't be able to crop as tight with the D750, but it would still have less noise than any APS-C camera used at similar or higher ISO.
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Nice shot Gene. Even the original would be nice with just enough crop to move the bird a little to the right.

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May 26, 2018 11:35:52   #
Gene51 Loc: Yonkers, NY, now in LSD (LowerSlowerDelaware)
 
Bill_de wrote:
Nice shot Gene. Even the original would be nice with just enough crop to move the bird a little to the right.

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Thanks!

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May 26, 2018 19:14:44   #
tommy2 Loc: Fort Worth, Texas
 
Gene51 wrote:
The D750 will have lower resolution after cropping...but the image quality may be better, because of the larger pixels.


Reading extensively on this subject trying to determine if my next camera needs to be full frame or crop sensor the above statement is voiced by an overwhelming majority of reviewers.

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May 26, 2018 19:53:47   #
FreddB Loc: PA - Delaware County
 
Architect1776 wrote:
Yep.
The D750 has 24.3 MP
D7200 has roughly 24MP.

Crop the D750 by any amount and it has fewer MP.


Okay, makes sense.

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May 27, 2018 03:58:00   #
Architect1776 Loc: In my mind
 
FreddB wrote:
Okay, makes sense.



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May 27, 2018 06:12:43   #
Jerrin1 Loc: Wolverhampton, England
 
marciamyers wrote:
I have D750 and a Tamron 150-600....I can shoot the 750 in crop mode but it seems megapixels will go down to roughly 10. I want to print some bird photos but doubt I will go larger than 11 x 14. Will the reduced megapixels hurt the print quality and would I be better off with a D7200 and the same Tamron Fx lens....getting the same 900mm max but not losing resolution? D7200 has a good price now...799 body only, 999 w 2 kit lenses.... not sure I need the lenses though.....thanks for input, still new and sorting through the mass of info
I have D750 and a Tamron 150-600....I can shoot th... (show quote)


I believe you would be better off with a D7200 than crop your D750 images. As a wildlife photographer I have been shooting APS-C and M43 for the past 5 years due to the crop factor (more MPs in a tighter area), but three weeks ago changed to full frame - I won't bore you with the reasons. In any case, you may care to view a video by Tony Northrup, who has a YouTube channel. He addresses this very issue when comparing the Nikon D5, Canon 1DX mark II and Nikon D500. He categorically states the APS-C D500 produces better images than the full frame cameras due to pixel density.

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May 27, 2018 06:16:17   #
mborn Loc: Massachusetts
 
DavidPine wrote:
You'd be better off with a D500.


I agree, the frame rate of 10 shots help with action

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May 27, 2018 06:43:12   #
marciamyers Loc: Georgetown, In.
 
Thanks all....and beautiful bird

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May 27, 2018 07:32:32   #
ToBoldlyGo Loc: London U.K.
 
Gene51 wrote:
Shooting birds you will always be cropping regardless of how long your lens is, unless you are really lucky and can get close. As long as you have at least 6 mp, you can make a 40x60 or even bigger, and no one but some dopey photographer who will walk up to the print to examine the fine detail will complain about image resolution.

The D750 will have lower resolution after cropping, whether you do it in camera or later in post processing, but the image quality may be better, because of the larger pixels.

Here is an example of a heavily cropped bird picture that I have printed to 16x20 and looks excellent. Taken with a 600mmF4, D800, no in-camera crop, however if I did I'd still crop it down to what you see, which is a hair under 6 mp. You wouldn't be able to crop as tight with the D750, but it would still have less noise than any APS-C camera used at similar or higher ISO.
Shooting birds you will always be cropping regardl... (show quote)


I actually prefer the uncropped photo. It puts the bird in a frame. Lovely photo.

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May 27, 2018 08:25:36   #
Fotomacher Loc: Toronto
 
Al Beatty wrote:
I recently got a low mileage, second D7200 for my wife on eBay for $675.00 (no lenses). Take care & ...


I tried to get something like that for my wife, but could only get a used D7100 with no lenses. You made a great trade!

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May 27, 2018 08:28:16   #
Fotomacher Loc: Toronto
 
twowindsbear wrote:
How do you KNOW what you're shooting? When you put your D750 into 'crop mode' does the view finder show the reduced sensor area?

I'll recommend shooting full frame and max zoom and then crop the image to best show your object.


I have a D810 and it has 2 crop modes: 1:1.2 and 1:1.5 and the viewfinder DOES show the imaging area. Presumably the D750 does too.

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May 27, 2018 09:01:15   #
marciamyers Loc: Georgetown, In.
 
Yes 750 does show cropped area

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May 27, 2018 09:04:47   #
tscali
 
I have the D750 and the Tamron 150-600 G2 lens. I recently went to South Africa and took some amazing shoots of wildlife and birds in FF. Yes, I did crop, some significantly, but my 11X14 canvas pictures came out very good, in fact I would say excellent.

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May 27, 2018 10:00:10   #
Steve Perry Loc: Sylvania, Ohio
 
You're better off with the crop camera if the resolution of both cameras is similar. See this video / post:

https://backcountrygallery.com/cropping-full-frame-vs-shooting-a-crop-camera/

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