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Jul 29, 2012 18:43:34   #
Casadearte Loc: Watsonville, California
 
Let me write it correctly. I did not expected this trend of explanatios, all of them so useful. I think I can now understand the comcept.

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Jul 29, 2012 19:40:20   #
Jer Loc: Mesa, Arizona
 
Sorry, my error. I should have said most of pictures are captures 3 to 2 because that's the way I frame most of my photos. However, landscapes and panos are not always that way.
Anyway, captain, since you lost some pixels I'll get some people together with magnifying glasses and well get down on the floor and help you find them.


Shakey wrote:
CaptainC wrote:
photonynikon wrote:
8x10 prints are a throw-back to 4x5 film camera days....BEST sizes would be 8x12, or 10x15, which interestingly enough, was the largest size print I could get from the Fuji Frontier paper processors. Film and DSLR'S STILL use the 3:2 ratio!!!! WHY the need to crop AT ALL?????


To make it look the way you want it to look, of course. Why would anyone think that what you shot is what you want the final image to look like. Some things look great at 10x20, or 10x30, or 6x27.7. or 12x34. Seems pretty silly to think that everything looks good at 2:3.

And Jer - I LOST PIXELS!!!

In the attached image,why would I want anything behind or infront of my subject?
quote=photonynikon 8x10 prints are a throw-back t... (show quote)


Thanks, CaptainC. Your image knocked that discussion on the head. In my opinion, a very satisfactory conclusion.
quote=CaptainC quote=photonynikon 8x10 prints ar... (show quote)

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Jul 29, 2012 20:55:04   #
K2mbs Loc: Southern Tier of, NY
 
CaptainC wrote:
photonynikon wrote:
8x10 prints are a throw-back to 4x5 film camera days....BEST sizes would be 8x12, or 10x15, which interestingly enough, was the largest size print I could get from the Fuji Frontier paper processors. Film and DSLR'S STILL use the 3:2 ratio!!!! WHY the need to crop AT ALL?????


To make it look the way you want it to look, of course. Why would anyone think that what you shot is what you want the final image to look like. Some things look great at 10x20, or 10x30, or 6x27.7. or 12x34. Seems pretty silly to think that everything looks good at 2:3.Great point.


And Jer - I LOST PIXELS!!!

In the attached image,why would I want anything behind or infront of my subject?
quote=photonynikon 8x10 prints are a throw-back t... (show quote)


When shooting any subject that happens to be moving, and too many that aren't...
it would be a near miracle to have a great composition to occur within the few "standard dimensions" out there.
At any event you shoot, there will be numerous people, and objects that ruin a good shot.
I virtually never show an image that hasn't been cropped "with no constraint" as my cropping tool.
It's so satisfying to create an image that barely excludes the outhouse, garbage can and slob with filthy clothes covered in tattoos.
Usually there is something intruding in any photo that needs to be surgically removed by a very creative cropping eye in order to have a nice image emerge.
Unless you set up the shot like a still life...it's the best way to create a beautiful composition.
An aspect ratio adhered to... leaves the vast majority of images needing improvement, or even deleted by a disappointed shooter with little imagination...
I have found images within my photos that I can crop to... and disregard the rest, that I didn't even plan.
This digital age, and abundant resolution has allowed a good eye to create very quickly at the computer.

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Jul 29, 2012 21:37:28   #
photonynikon Loc: upstate New York
 
I'm of the school of Compose, and expose IN the camera...not dink with it afterwards....in otherwords...do 99% of your work BEFORE you press the shutter release.....

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Jul 29, 2012 22:03:09   #
Bangee5 Loc: Louisiana
 
Festina Lente wrote:
Bangee5 wrote:
On the Canon 60D You have Aspect ratios of 3:2 (Default), 4:3, 16.9, and 1:1 which is square. If the Canon 7D is the same, then choose one or try then all for fun. 3:2 ratios will give you a 4x6 print.
The 7D offers 6 aspect ratios.
But to be clear, the camera records the EXACT SAME IMAGE and MEGA PIXELS no matter which ratio is selected. Turning this feature on by selecting any ratio only turns on a composition guide grid while in Live View mode.
Nothing changes or is indicated in the viewfinder, which is why we all use DSLRs.
But if it helps compose for a target print or application, by all means use it.
quote=Bangee5 On the Canon 60D You have Aspect ra... (show quote)


The RAW file stays the same, its the JPEG That changed. The pictures below came from camera to computer to UHH without any croping or PP of any kind.

3:2 Aspect Ratio
3:2 Aspect Ratio...

4:3 Aspect Ratio
4:3 Aspect Ratio...

16:9 Aspect Ratio
16:9 Aspect Ratio...

1:1 Aspect Ratio
1:1 Aspect Ratio...

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Jul 29, 2012 22:31:05   #
CaptainC Loc: Colorado, south of Denver
 
photonynikon wrote:
I'm of the school of Compose, and expose IN the camera...not dink with it afterwards....in otherwords...do 99% of your work BEFORE you press the shutter release.....


That can work.

I am of the school that you shoot with the final presentation in mind and you crop to make the image look its best.
So would you have left all the background crap (lots of bare feet) in the swimming image? To suggest that cropping indicates lack of shot preparation is beyond silly.

Oh, and I "dink" the crap out of them! :-) They look nothing like the image I actually shot.

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Jul 29, 2012 22:40:43   #
Festina Lente Loc: Florida & Missouri
 
Bangee5 wrote:
Festina Lente wrote:
Bangee5 wrote:
On the Canon 60D You have Aspect ratios of 3:2 (Default), 4:3, 16.9, and 1:1 which is square. If the Canon 7D is the same, then choose one or try then all for fun. 3:2 ratios will give you a 4x6 print.
The 7D offers 6 aspect ratios.
But to be clear, the camera records the EXACT SAME IMAGE and MEGA PIXELS no matter which ratio is selected. Turning this feature on by selecting any ratio only turns on a composition guide grid while in Live View mode.
Nothing changes or is indicated in the viewfinder, which is why we all use DSLRs.
But if it helps compose for a target print or application, by all means use it.
quote=Bangee5 On the Canon 60D You have Aspect ra... (show quote)


The RAW file stays the same, its the JPEG That changed. The pictures below came from camera to computer to UHH without any croping or PP of any kind.
quote=Festina Lente quote=Bangee5 On the Canon 6... (show quote)
From what camera? The Canon 7D was the camera in question.

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Jul 29, 2012 23:00:11   #
Bangee5 Loc: Louisiana
 
Festina Lente wrote:
Bangee5 wrote:
Festina Lente wrote:
Bangee5 wrote:
On the Canon 60D You have Aspect ratios of 3:2 (Default), 4:3, 16.9, and 1:1 which is square. If the Canon 7D is the same, then choose one or try then all for fun. 3:2 ratios will give you a 4x6 print.
The 7D offers 6 aspect ratios.
But to be clear, the camera records the EXACT SAME IMAGE and MEGA PIXELS no matter which ratio is selected. Turning this feature on by selecting any ratio only turns on a composition guide grid while in Live View mode.
Nothing changes or is indicated in the viewfinder, which is why we all use DSLRs.
But if it helps compose for a target print or application, by all means use it.
quote=Bangee5 On the Canon 60D You have Aspect ra... (show quote)


The RAW file stays the same, its the JPEG That changed. The pictures below came from camera to computer to UHH without any croping or PP of any kind.
quote=Festina Lente quote=Bangee5 On the Canon 6... (show quote)
From what camera? The Canon 7D was the camera in question.
quote=Bangee5 quote=Festina Lente quote=Bangee5... (show quote)


The Canon 60D. I said "If the Canon 7D is the same..." If you own the 7D then give it a try. and yes, turning this feature on by selecting any ratio (other than 3:2) turns on a composition guide grid while in Live View mode but its the JPEG that is affected, not the RAW file. However, if you convert the RAW file to TIFF or JPEG, the picture will be croped. I do not use the other Aspect ratios except 3:2.

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Jul 30, 2012 00:46:38   #
Jackinthebox Loc: travel the world
 
Bangee5 wrote:
Festina Lente wrote:
Bangee5 wrote:
Festina Lente wrote:
Bangee5 wrote:
On the Canon 60D You have Aspect ratios of 3:2 (Default), 4:3, 16.9, and 1:1 which is square. If the Canon 7D is the same, then choose one or try then all for fun. 3:2 ratios will give you a 4x6 print.
The 7D offers 6 aspect ratios.
But to be clear, the camera records the EXACT SAME IMAGE and MEGA PIXELS no matter which ratio is selected. Turning this feature on by selecting any ratio only turns on a composition guide grid while in Live View mode.
Nothing changes or is indicated in the viewfinder, which is why we all use DSLRs.
But if it helps compose for a target print or application, by all means use it.
quote=Bangee5 On the Canon 60D You have Aspect ra... (show quote)


The RAW file stays the same, its the JPEG That changed. The pictures below came from camera to computer to UHH without any croping or PP of any kind.
quote=Festina Lente quote=Bangee5 On the Canon 6... (show quote)
From what camera? The Canon 7D was the camera in question.
quote=Bangee5 quote=Festina Lente quote=Bangee5... (show quote)


The Canon 60D. I said "If the Canon 7D is the same..." If you own the 7D then give it a try. and yes, turning this feature on by selecting any ratio (other than 3:2) turns on a composition guide grid while in Live View mode but its the JPEG that is affected, not the RAW file. However, if you convert the RAW file to TIFF or JPEG, the picture will be croped. I do not use the other Aspect ratios except 3:2.
quote=Festina Lente quote=Bangee5 quote=Festina... (show quote)


the 16:9 aspect ratio was made for the 16:9 monitors and 16:9 tv sets. You do yourself a dis-service not using those in landscape if the end product is for your monitor or TV. Also some good printers will print to the specs I give them and the picture is displayed and printed as it is supposed to. A print shot in 16:9 and printed in 16:9 looks a lot better than a landscape shot and printed in 3:2 and printed in the strait jacked of 3:2. All those settings have a purpose. It is learning to use them that brings the most satisfaction.

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Jul 30, 2012 01:14:05   #
BHC Loc: Strawberry Valley, JF, USA
 
Casadearte wrote:
I think I used the wrong word, It is off


Check your manual. Some aspece ratios will use fewer megapixels. Use the one or two (probable 3:2, 5:4, and/or 16:9) thay use the maximum capabilities of the camera.

Followup - I just checked the specs; use 3:2.

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Jul 30, 2012 11:09:58   #
BboH Loc: s of 2/21, Ellicott City, MD
 
Aagaard wrote:
BboH wrote:
There are always (at least for me) some things that one hesitates to admit not knowing (don't want to show how dumb...). Aspect ratio is one of those things for me - just never have been able to grasp the concept. Reading this thread an 8x10 inch print has been noted as having as having a 5:4 ratio - I still don't get it - would appreciate some help - thanks


Our photography club has a monthly contest, and the winning photo gets printed at 16 x 20 (or 20 x 16). However, many of our members have very little idea what the aspect ratios are all about, so we created this on-line presentation to help them: http://www.pcqc.org/presentation/index_8.htm

Unfortunately, they don't seem to be interested in viewing it!
quote=BboH There are always (at least for me) som... (show quote)


Hey - I just looked at this - I love it. Copied the address into my Aspect Ratio file in my UHH folder for future reference

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Jul 30, 2012 11:40:33   #
photonynikon Loc: upstate New York
 
unfortunately, it shows the aspect ratio for a 16x20-look how much is "lost" at the bottom, at your sensor size ratio...better would be one showing 3:2 ratio, which I did years ago...I'll make another
BboH wrote:
Aagaard wrote:
BboH wrote:
There are always (at least for me) some things that one hesitates to admit not knowing (don't want to show how dumb...). Aspect ratio is one of those things for me - just never have been able to grasp the concept. Reading this thread an 8x10 inch print has been noted as having as having a 5:4 ratio - I still don't get it - would appreciate some help - thanks


Our photography club has a monthly contest, and the winning photo gets printed at 16 x 20 (or 20 x 16). However, many of our members have very little idea what the aspect ratios are all about, so we created this on-line presentation to help them: http://www.pcqc.org/presentation/index_8.htm

Unfortunately, they don't seem to be interested in viewing it!
quote=BboH There are always (at least for me) som... (show quote)


Hey - I just looked at this - I love it. Copied the address into my Aspect Ratio file in my UHH folder for future reference
quote=Aagaard quote=BboH There are always (at le... (show quote)

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Jul 30, 2012 12:43:54   #
RedIris Loc: MN, USA
 
cecilia delacroix wrote:
How the heck did 11 x 14" ever become a standard size print?! :)


It's legal 'document' size..

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Jul 30, 2012 15:52:03   #
Aagaard Loc: Sahuarita, AZ
 
photonynikon wrote:
unfortunately, it shows the aspect ratio for a 16x20-look how much is "lost" at the bottom, at your sensor size ratio...better would be one showing 3:2 ratio, which I did years ago...I'll make another


I showed the 16 x 20 because the person who wins the monthly contest has their photo printed at 16 x 20 and displayed in our clubhouse.

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Jul 30, 2012 15:52:47   #
Aagaard Loc: Sahuarita, AZ
 
BboH wrote:
Aagaard wrote:
BboH wrote:
There are always (at least for me) some things that one hesitates to admit not knowing (don't want to show how dumb...). Aspect ratio is one of those things for me - just never have been able to grasp the concept. Reading this thread an 8x10 inch print has been noted as having as having a 5:4 ratio - I still don't get it - would appreciate some help - thanks


Our photography club has a monthly contest, and the winning photo gets printed at 16 x 20 (or 20 x 16). However, many of our members have very little idea what the aspect ratios are all about, so we created this on-line presentation to help them: http://www.pcqc.org/presentation/index_8.htm

Unfortunately, they don't seem to be interested in viewing it!
quote=BboH There are always (at least for me) som... (show quote)


Hey - I just looked at this - I love it. Copied the address into my Aspect Ratio file in my UHH folder for future reference
quote=Aagaard quote=BboH There are always (at le... (show quote)


Thanks!

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