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May 2, 2018 16:03:15   #
mwsilvers Loc: Central New Jersey
 
Bobspez wrote:
That would be true if Win 10 had an easy way to turn off updates from the control panel like previous versions did. But when they force the updates on your machine without asking, or giving you the choice to accept them or not, and those updates cause your hardware to stop working, why is it the hardware vendor's job to keep up with MS updates, for every piece of hardware they sell or ever sold, especially if the vendor has stopped making that model hardware? And why should the user be forced to buy a new piece of hardware because MS updated their OS and failed to make it backwards compatible? That's like taking your car in for service and them telling you to buy a new radio because the radio no longer works with your serviced engine due to factory mandated updates to your car's computer.
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The hardware vendors supply the drivers. If the hardware is very old and even the vendor no longer supplies updates to support it why would you expect Microsoft to do it? All peripheral hardware attached to all operating systems get periodic driver updates as operating systems evolve. That's nothing new. The problem that upsets people is when seemingly perfectly good hardware is no longer supported. The culprit is not Microsoft, but the companies that made and sold the peripherals and have stopped providing further driver support. Microsoft doesn't make or sell peripherals and has no financial stake in whether old hardware works or not. Do you expect them to update and test the drivers on every piece of hardware that ever existed before updating an operating system? Will Ford update your 1970 Fairlane with a catalytic converter so you can use unleaded gas? Or would you get mad at Ford if they no longer can supply spare parts for a 40 year old car? I don't think so. In computer technology even ten old equipment can be considered ancient, especially if its out of production and/or the vendor no longer exists as the same entity it was when the hardware was new. You seem to be assuming that Microsoft should continue to support very old hardware drivers in their upgraded operating systems into perpetuity. Not only is that unrealistic, but it's also impractical.

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May 2, 2018 16:25:15   #
Bobspez Loc: Southern NJ, USA
 
The only thing I would like microsoft to do is make the updates optional, not forced, so a person with obsolete hardware that works today, can easily opt out of updates and won't find out their hardware stopped working tomorrow. For me it's moot because I was able to figure out a work around. I'm only using Win 10 because it came loaded on my machine and I did updates for about a week before turning them off. This update 2 years later was somehow triggered by MS, even though I had turned updates off. I didn't gripe when my printer and some audio hardware stopped working when I got the Win 10 machine, because I understood it was 64 bit, which I did want. It was my choice and my responsibility. But this latest forced update wasn't my choice so I did resent the few hours it took me to get my scanner working again. I don't blame the hardware vendors. I don't expect them to support obsolete hardware with new drivers every time MS does an update. This wasn't even a change to the OS like Win8 to Win10. This was just another update like MS does every week, but people with my scanner found it had stopped working.

mwsilvers wrote:
The hardware vendors supply the drivers. If the hardware is very old and even the vendor no longer supplies updates to support it why would you expect Microsoft to do it? All peripheral hardware attached to all operating systems get periodic driver updates as operating systems evolve. That's nothing new. The problem that upsets people is when seemingly perfectly good hardware is no longer supported. The culprit is not Microsoft, but the companies that made and sold the peripherals and have stopped providing further driver support. Microsoft doesn't make or sell peripherals and has no financial stake in whether old hardware works or not. Do you expect them to update and test the drivers on every piece of hardware that ever existed before updating an operating system? Will Ford update your 1970 Fairlane with a catalytic converter so you can use unleaded gas? Or would you get mad at Ford if they no longer can supply spare parts for a 40 year old car? I don't think so. In computer technology even ten old equipment can be considered ancient, especially if its out of production and/or the vendor no longer exists as the same entity it was when the hardware was new. You seem to be assuming that Microsoft should continue to support very old hardware drivers in their upgraded operating systems into perpetuity. Not only is that unrealistic, but it's also impractical.
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May 2, 2018 17:01:11   #
mwsilvers Loc: Central New Jersey
 
Bobspez wrote:
The only thing I would like microsoft to do is make the updates optional, not forced, so a person with obsolete hardware that works today, can easily opt out of updates and won't find out their hardware stopped working tomorrow. For me it's moot because I was able to figure out a work around. I'm only using Win 10 because it came loaded on my machine and I did updates for about a week before turning them off. This update 2 years later was somehow triggered by MS, even though I had turned updates off. I didn't gripe when my printer and some audio hardware stopped working when I got the Win 10 machine, because I understood it was 64 bit, which I did want. It was my choice and my responsibility. But this latest forced update wasn't my choice so I did resent the few hours it took me to get my scanner working again. I don't blame the hardware vendors. I don't expect them to support obsolete hardware with new drivers every time MS does an update. This wasn't even a change to the OS like Win8 to Win10. This was just another update like MS does every week, but people with my scanner found it had stopped working.
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Actually, this was not "just another update like MS does every week". This was the April Update which was a major upgrade to the operating system. Microsoft no longer is updating its whole operating system every several years with a complete makeover and a new name. Instead they update the OS with a major upgrade a couple of times a year so that it is never outmoded, and the speed of the upgrade is much faster with far less impact to the user. That fact that it occurs so smoothly is a tribute to their current approach to operating system upgrades which used to be something you have to gird you loins for before proceeding.

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May 2, 2018 17:10:21   #
Bobspez Loc: Southern NJ, USA
 
So vendors should update their drivers a couple of times a year now? Also you ignored the whole issue of voluntary vs involuntary OS upgrades. Adobe upgraded their software, but my CS6 version works fine. They didn't push their software upgrade on my computer and stop my scanner from working. Microsoft is the only software company that feels they can force their upgrades onto your system. In my view that makes them no more ethical than a virus. Do you work for Microsoft or are you just a fan and a defender?

mwsilvers wrote:
Actually, this was not "just another update like MS does every week". This was the April Update which was a major upgrade to the operating system. Microsoft no longer is updating its whole operating system every several years with a complete makeover and a new name. Instead they update the OS with a major upgrade a couple of times a year so that it is never outmoded, and the speed of the upgrade is much faster with far less impact to the user. That fact that it occurs so smoothly is a tribute to their current approach to operating system upgrades which used to be something you have to gird you loins for before proceeding.
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May 2, 2018 17:41:10   #
mwsilvers Loc: Central New Jersey
 
Bobspez wrote:
So vendors should update their drivers a couple of times a year now? Also you ignored the whole issue of voluntary vs involuntary OS upgrades. Adobe upgraded their software, but my CS6 version works fine. They didn't push their software upgrade on my computer and stop my scanner from working. Microsoft is the only software company that feels they can force their upgrades onto your system. In my view that makes them no more ethical than a virus. Do you work for Microsoft or are you just a fan and a defender?
So vendors should update their drivers a couple of... (show quote)


I never said the vendors need to update their drivers a couple of times a year. The need for updated drivers is not anywhere near that frequent and may not be required for years for any particular peripheral, but ultimately if hardware vendors want their hardware to play well with Windows it's their responsibility. I ignored the issue of involuntary upgrades because my response was intended to address just the outdated driver issue. The update question you raised is a whole other discussion which I don't want to engage in right now.

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May 2, 2018 23:38:28   #
Harry0 Loc: Gardena, Cal
 
Shellback wrote:
Question on the update - did it set all the settings back to MS's defaults? I spent a couple of hours making sure I had all the settings (notifications, sharing, etc...) set to my preferences - don't want to have to go through that again.
Thanks,

Mine too. Last two updates got me that way. And I had to "find" my network Kodi box. Again.
*sigh*

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May 3, 2018 00:08:42   #
rehess Loc: South Bend, Indiana, USA
 
Bobspez wrote:
I had disabled the Windows update on Win 10 64 bit pro. Somehow an automatic update started when I turned of my PC about a week ago. When the system came back on my Canoscan 8000F 4800 dpi document and film scanner driver stopped working. I use that scanner for 120 film slides and negs which many new scanners don't support. Canon didn't update their driver for Win 10. It took me half a day to figure out that their Win8.1 driver could be installed and worked in Win 10. I promptly disabled the Microsoft updating feature again. For a while I thought I needed to buy a new scanner. To me, microsoft updates are more trouble than viruses.
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I used to have automatic updates disabled on my Win 8 machine, which is why it was still a Win 8 machine and not a Win 10 machine ... and then it died. I definitely didn't want to purchase a new Windows machine, which would have forced me into Win 10, so our daughter put together a new machine mostly using parts from various donor machines {including memory from our old machine}, and now I am typing this on an Ubuntu Linux machine.

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May 3, 2018 00:52:02   #
Logan1949
 
bsprague wrote:
Sometime yesterday, April 30th, the Windows 10 April 2018 Update became available to the masses. Microsoft will (sort of) start taking over all the Windows 10 computers in the world and push through the update. I read that the automatic push will start in the second week of May and take a few weeks. . . .

grumble, grumble, grumble . . . The last un-asked-for update of windows 10 disabled my HDMI port. Apparently, because I was not using it at the time, the update process turned it off or disconnected it. I did a roll-back on the update to get it working again. Here's hoping that it won't happen again.

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May 3, 2018 12:28:01   #
Bobspez Loc: Southern NJ, USA
 
I've used red hat linux in the past but came back to windows to use the adobe suite. Especially for video with integrated audio editing, adobe is probably the best.
rehess wrote:
I used to have automatic updates disabled on my Win 8 machine, which is why it was still a Win 8 machine and not a Win 10 machine ... and then it died. I definitely didn't want to purchase a new Windows machine, which would have forced me into Win 10, so our daughter put together a new machine mostly using parts from various donor machines {including memory from our old machine}, and now I am typing this on an Ubuntu Linux machine.

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May 3, 2018 17:17:52   #
rehess Loc: South Bend, Indiana, USA
 
Bobspez wrote:
I've used red hat linux in the past but came back to windows to use the adobe suite. Especially for video with integrated audio editing, adobe is probably the best.

I don't do video. For stills, I use gimp ... I find it to be just as useful as PhotoShop, and I don't have a reason to complain each month.

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May 3, 2018 21:01:46   #
BebuLamar
 
I did the update and it went fine.

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