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Apr 27, 2018 20:49:46   #
mlj Loc: Anderson, SC
 
I just saw on the new that Tom Brokaw has been accused of sexual assault dating back to the nineties and earlier. Cosby was convicted of sexual assault dating back many years. I am not sure if there is "evidence" of these accusations other than "he said/she said." I really don't know.

However, it seems to me, based on current events, Bill Clinton should have to face similar kinds of accusations in a court of law. If there was a situation that had evidence beyond a "he said/she said," this is one of those. It seems to me that our justice system is "assuming guilt" before the proof of innocence. This assumption seems to be aimed more at men than women. Am I missing something?

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Apr 27, 2018 21:24:45   #
illininitt
 
People are finding out that at 69...I never voted!

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Apr 27, 2018 21:28:07   #
mlj Loc: Anderson, SC
 
illininitt wrote:
People are finding out that at 69...I never voted!


I am not sure what you mean.

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Apr 27, 2018 21:45:03   #
Kmgw9v Loc: Miami, Florida
 
mlj wrote:
I just saw on the new that Tom Brokaw has been accused of sexual assault dating back to the nineties and earlier. Cosby was convicted of sexual assault dating back many years. I am not sure if there is "evidence" of these accusations other than "he said/she said." I really don't know.

However, it seems to me, based on current events, Bill Clinton should have to face similar kinds of accusations in a court of law. If there was a situation that had evidence beyond a "he said/she said," this is one of those. It seems to me that our justice system is "assuming guilt" before the proof of innocence. This assumption seems to be aimed more at men than women. Am I missing something?
I just saw on the new that Tom Brokaw has been acc... (show quote)


You are missing a lot.
A jury of his peers convicted Cosby. That is the justice system.

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Apr 27, 2018 21:49:07   #
imagemeister Loc: mid east Florida
 
Kmgw9v wrote:
You are missing a lot.
A jury of his peers convicted Cosby. That is the justice system.


on the second try ....

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Apr 27, 2018 22:06:20   #
Mark Sturtevant Loc: Grand Blanc, MI
 
It is a matter of degree and timing.
Brokaw is accused of sexual harrassement. Maybe similar to Clinton (?) I have not looked into it as it is old news. These days this is generally handled in the place of employment by firing or isolation (and widespread condemnation in social media) not by arrest. Had Clinton been doing this in this day then perhaps he would have been removed from office as governer. But he got away with it, because of the time, and that is that. Lots of men have. We should acknowledge the problem of no due process. On the other hand, there is no criminal action, and the odds of multiple women making the accusations means the odds are very very high that they are telling the truth.
Cosby is a whole other animal since he was a serial rapist. He will rot in jail.

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Apr 27, 2018 22:06:31   #
TriX Loc: Raleigh, NC
 
mlj wrote:
I just saw on the new that Tom Brokaw has been accused of sexual assault dating back to the nineties and earlier. Cosby was convicted of sexual assault dating back many years. I am not sure if there is "evidence" of these accusations other than "he said/she said." I really don't know.

However, it seems to me, based on current events, Bill Clinton should have to face similar kinds of accusations in a court of law. If there was a situation that had evidence beyond a "he said/she said," this is one of those. It seems to me that our justice system is "assuming guilt" before the proof of innocence. This assumption seems to be aimed more at men than women. Am I missing something?
I just saw on the new that Tom Brokaw has been acc... (show quote)


Maybe it has something to do with the fact that Clinton and Monica’s “affair” was consensual while Cosby’s (if you believe even a small percentage of his 50 accusers) involved drugging and then assaulting his victims without their consent. Clinton was “tried” by the congress and acquitted, while Cosby was tried by a court of law and convicted.

But as you point out, our values as a society have changed. Male actions that were once seen as just forward are now unacceptable.

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Apr 27, 2018 22:07:54   #
Harry0 Loc: Gardena, Cal
 
Bill Clinton? Howza bout the Donald? He's been reaching, grabbing and paying quite a few.
But Bill Cosby? Almost all his charges are derived from the presumption that he should have known better. That because of his fame a slightly inebriated social ladder climber might not want to say "no". Because of his position an aspiring actress may want to up her chances at a role bu going down on Bill, he should had said "no". Like this recent conviction; just because she was eager and willing doesn't mean she was sober enough to make an informed decision, therefore even tho she said "YES!" doesn't really mean it was an informed and consensual decision. Therefore he performed a nonconsensual act. Therefore: "BAD MAN!! BAD MAN!!"
The question I and many others have is: why doesn't anybody else who was there remember any of this? If Kanye West or Justin Bieber were at a party, having a few drinks, and walked off with some female for an hour or so- everyone would know. Whether they were rustling in the bushes or talking out on the balcony- everybody would know. Somebody would have said something to somebody. But all these people that surrounded the big celebrity Bill Cosby at these events- didn't know, didn't notice, didn't remember. The few that are remembered indicate the woman involved was very eager, and maybe the instigator. But that was because of the alcohol so it's Bill's fault.

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Apr 27, 2018 22:50:28   #
Kmgw9v Loc: Miami, Florida
 
imagemeister wrote:
on the second try ....

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He was afforded all due process of the law and was convicted despite his wealth and power.
Good Lord.

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Apr 28, 2018 03:52:14   #
SharpShooter Loc: NorCal
 
imagemeister wrote:
on the second try ....

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When a guy drugs women to knock them out under the pretense of giving them a pill to help them relax or whatever lie, then RAPES them, not just one woman but dozens of women...., how many trials is too many???
SS

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Apr 28, 2018 07:50:14   #
foathog Loc: Greensboro, NC
 
illininitt wrote:
People are finding out that at 69...I never voted!


The men in white jackets are coming for you soon.

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Apr 28, 2018 07:59:58   #
boberic Loc: Quiet Corner, Connecticut. Ex long Islander
 
mlj wrote:
I just saw on the new that Tom Brokaw has been accused of sexual assault dating back to the nineties and earlier. Cosby was convicted of sexual assault dating back many years. I am not sure if there is "evidence" of these accusations other than "he said/she said." I really don't know.

However, it seems to me, based on current events, Bill Clinton should have to face similar kinds of accusations in a court of law. If there was a situation that had evidence beyond a "he said/she said," this is one of those. It seems to me that our justice system is "assuming guilt" before the proof of innocence. This assumption seems to be aimed more at men than women. Am I missing something?
I just saw on the new that Tom Brokaw has been acc... (show quote)


With regard to clinton the Statute of limitation has long since passed

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Apr 28, 2018 09:41:23   #
Frank T Loc: New York, NY
 
boberic wrote:
With regard to clinton the Statute of limitation has long since passed


Clinton had consensual sex with adult women.
It might be adultery but it's not against the law.
You need to move on from your hatred of all things Clinton and focus on the man in the White House now, who is screwing you every day so his billionaire friends can pocket more money.

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Apr 28, 2018 09:46:40   #
Twardlow Loc: Arkansas
 
mlj wrote:
I just saw on the new that Tom Brokaw has been accused of sexual assault dating back to the nineties and earlier. Cosby was convicted of sexual assault dating back many years. I am not sure if there is "evidence" of these accusations other than "he said/she said." I really don't know.

However, it seems to me, based on current events, Bill Clinton should have to face similar kinds of accusations in a court of law. If there was a situation that had evidence beyond a "he said/she said," this is one of those. It seems to me that our justice system is "assuming guilt" before the proof of innocence. This assumption seems to be aimed more at men than women. Am I missing something?
I just saw on the new that Tom Brokaw has been acc... (show quote)


What we are seeing is a massive change in what activities the public will accept, beginning with Harvey Weinstein and thereafter.

What was tolerated for years is suddenly no longer tolerated, and past practice has caught some famous men with their pants down.

Might some victim re-ignite the old Bill Clinton charges? Possibly. I suspect people are tired of hearing about Bill, but it could all flare up again. Depends upon a victim wanting to relive all that again.

We’ll see.

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Apr 28, 2018 09:48:22   #
Twardlow Loc: Arkansas
 
imagemeister wrote:
on the second try ....

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Small consolation to Bill, isn’t it?

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