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Apr 23, 2018 14:51:50   #
ballsafire Loc: Lafayette, Louisiana
 
Lille wrote:
No filter and a tripod

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I would make an appointment with an eye doctor - you might need special eye help to focus. Anyway, I don't see enough to call your photos out of focus.

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Apr 23, 2018 16:31:32   #
Lille Loc: Upstate, NY
 
ballsafire wrote:
I would make an appointment with an eye doctor - you might need special eye help to focus. Anyway, I don't see enough to call your photos out of focus.

Hi,

But if I were totally blind and the lens & camera auto focus worked properly I could still be taking sharp photos.even if I couldn't look at them.... no ?

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Apr 23, 2018 16:35:08   #
Lille Loc: Upstate, NY
 
Linary wrote:
So to recap, you did use f/8, you did use a tripod, you did set a timer delay.
Your shutter speed was 1/50th sec. and whilst this should not really cause focus issues (you were using a tripod), see if you can shoot something at 1/500 sec. or faster.
Many of the comments above are very pertinent, - shoot a series from f/4 to f/16; shooting a high contrast target of some kind; If you can beg or borrow another lens to try it might confirm that your lenses are good or bad.

In answer to your question re the wind etc. Everything would be affected by gusts hitting the camera but some parts of the image more than others. If the camera moved around a pivot, then the outside pixels would travel further than the centre pixels. The outers would appear out of focus, the inners would appear to be soft.

A couple of days ago I lost sixty or so images because I had not fully tightened the locking knob on my tripod and did not notice the slow droop of the camera. Thus ended that session of time lapse. Make sure everything is locked down tightly. Tripod on solid ground, not gravel etc.

A friend of mine who has the same Sony as you - I don't know what lenses he has - told me it took a while before he got used to the camera coming from a Canon background. Several months down the line, he is now producing pin sharp images. (n.b. English pins are sharper than USA tacks )
So to recap, you did use f/8, you did use a tripod... (show quote)


Thank you !

All of what you've suggested is on the itinerary ! I'll let you know how it works out.

Thanks again.

In fact.... Thank you to everyone who has responded .

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Apr 23, 2018 20:29:17   #
Dennis833 Loc: Australia
 
It looks like the image was shot at F4, wide open and the focus is only about a metre away on the fence in front. Put the 16-35mm F4 lens on the camera and look at the front of the lens as you close the aperture down. The aperture should be a lot smaller F22 than at F4. If the aperture does not move then the lens is stuck at F4. If the aperture is working properly do three more test shots focusing manually with your aperture set at F4 to focus and then close the aperture down to F11 to take the test shots. Using a tripod and the two second delay focus shot 1 on the fence post, shot 2 on the power pole and shot three on the background trees.

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Apr 24, 2018 00:25:27   #
TomV Loc: Annapolis, Maryland
 
You are all making this too difficult. If you put numbers into the DOF calculator you will find that a difference of only a foot or 2 short of the hyperfocal value results in a large difference in the DOF distance from front to back.
Example, using DOF Master: 29mm, f/8, the calculated Hyperfocal distance is 17.3 ft. The DOF extends from 8.65 ft to infinity. I used a 1.5 crop sensor camera for these values.

However, if you focus at a subject at 15 ft your DOF for Acceptable Sharpness ranges from 8.05 ft to 110.5 ft.
And, if you focus at a subject at 16 ft your DOF for Acceptable Sharpness ranges from 8.3 ft to 206 ft
And, if you focus at a subject at 17 ft your DOF for Acceptable Sharpness ranges from 8.6 ft to 862 ft.
And, if you focus at a subject at 17.32 ft your DOF for Acceptable Sharpness ranges from 8.67 ft to Infinity. Anything beyond 17.31 ft gets an Acceptably Sharp distant background for these parameters.
And, if you focus at a subject at 30 ft your DOF for Acceptable Sharpness ranges from 11 ft to Infinity

As you can see, if you are just a hair too close relative to the hyperfocal distance you lose a tremendous amount of the DOF.
It clearly is best to err on the far side and get your background but feel comfortable that you will get most of the near stuff you want also.

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Apr 24, 2018 00:40:44   #
Dennis833 Loc: Australia
 
I'm not trying to make anything difficult. Just trying to help a guy find out if he has a faulty lens. If the lens is okay then all three test shots should be quite sharp.

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Apr 25, 2018 18:54:53   #
Lille Loc: Upstate, NY
 
TomV wrote:
You are all making this too difficult. If you put numbers into the DOF calculator you will find that a difference of only a foot or 2 short of the hyperfocal value results in a large difference in the DOF distance from front to back.
Example, using DOF Master: 29mm, f/8, the calculated Hyperfocal distance is 17.3 ft. The DOF extends from 8.65 ft to infinity. I used a 1.5 crop sensor camera for these values.

However, if you focus at a subject at 15 ft your DOF for Acceptable Sharpness ranges from 8.05 ft to 110.5 ft.
And, if you focus at a subject at 16 ft your DOF for Acceptable Sharpness ranges from 8.3 ft to 206 ft
And, if you focus at a subject at 17 ft your DOF for Acceptable Sharpness ranges from 8.6 ft to 862 ft.
And, if you focus at a subject at 17.32 ft your DOF for Acceptable Sharpness ranges from 8.67 ft to Infinity. Anything beyond 17.31 ft gets an Acceptably Sharp distant background for these parameters.
And, if you focus at a subject at 30 ft your DOF for Acceptable Sharpness ranges from 11 ft to Infinity

As you can see, if you are just a hair too close relative to the hyperfocal distance you lose a tremendous amount of the DOF.


It clearly is best to err on the far side and get your background but feel comfortable that you will get most of the near stuff you want also.
You are all making this too difficult. If you put ... (show quote)



Hello Tom,

Thanks for taking the time to respond.

There is quite a difference between the hyper focal distance for a for a 1.5 crop sensor and a full frame camera. For my Sony a7rii ( full frame ) camera the hyper focal distance with a 29 mm lens shot at f8 is just under 13 feet and the camera was shot at f8 and focused on something that was beyond 13 feet.

Thanks :)

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Apr 25, 2018 19:02:53   #
Lille Loc: Upstate, NY
 
Dennis833 wrote:
It looks like the image was shot at F4, wide open and the focus is only about a metre away on the fence in front. Put the 16-35mm F4 lens on the camera and look at the front of the lens as you close the aperture down. The aperture should be a lot smaller F22 than at F4. If the aperture does not move then the lens is stuck at F4. If the aperture is working properly do three more test shots focusing manually with your aperture set at F4 to focus and then close the aperture down to F11 to take the test shots. Using a tripod and the two second delay focus shot 1 on the fence post, shot 2 on the power pole and shot three on the background trees.
It looks like the image was shot at F4, wide open ... (show quote)


Hi Dennis,

Thanks for your input.

I'll try what you've suggested but I can say without question that the aperture is not stuck on either lens ( the blades open and close as they should ) and for that photo I had the aperture set to f8 and the meta data from Lightroom says the photos was shot at f8.

But I'll still do as you've suggested.

Thanks !

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Apr 25, 2018 19:20:38   #
Dennis833 Loc: Australia
 
Also when you focus the lens make sure that you use the focus magnification at X14.4. Set the aperture to F4 to focus then stop down to F8-11 to shoot.

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Apr 25, 2018 22:38:24   #
TomV Loc: Annapolis, Maryland
 
Lille wrote:
Hi again,

I was in aperture mode and in fact the camera was spot focused on that very fence post just to the right of the bottom center. This Depth of Field calculator ( https://www.photopills.com/calculators/dof ) tells me that with a 30mm lens at f8 a point 13 feet from the camera is the hyper focal distance. Therefore at f8 focusing on something 13 feet from the camera should render everything from about 6 feet from the camera to infinity in focus. That fence post was 14 feet in front of the camera. So unless I'm misunderstanding what the calculator is telling me ( quite possible ! ) that fence post and everything beyond it should have been in focus.

More practice is obviously needed !
Hi again, br br I was in aperture mode and in fac... (show quote)


I think my offer of you being a bit too close in front of the hyperfocal distance holds true. You have to think about the tolerances of the lens and the sort-of imprecise theory of the hyperfocal concept. Just a few feet in front of the HF distance will cause the DOF to change dramatically. If the HF is distance is 12.4 ft at 30mm the DOF at far end is at infinity. If the lens is actually at 31mm due to manufacturing tolerance then the HF distance is 13.24 ft and the far end in 'acceptable focus' is 194 ft at the expected HF distance of 12.4 ft. If the aperture is larger by a fraction the same effect takes place (from 8.0 to 7.1), the DOF is reduced substantially to 113.5 feet at the expected HF distance of 12.4 ft.

You need to select a focus point a bit further beyond the theoretical HF value to ensure you are not at the edge. In this case you should select something about 16 ft or greater, allowing for a f/7.1 and a focal length of 32mm (about a 7% tolerance). Per the equation, this will allow for tolerance issues and still get the DOF out to infinity with a near 'acceptable focus' distance of about 8 ft.

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Apr 27, 2018 11:27:14   #
Lille Loc: Upstate, NY
 
Dennis833 wrote:
Also when you focus the lens make sure that you use the focus magnification at X14.4. Set the aperture to F4 to focus then stop down to F8-11 to shoot.


Thanks for the advice Dennis.

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Apr 27, 2018 11:27:44   #
Lille Loc: Upstate, NY
 
TomV wrote:
I think my offer of you being a bit too close in front of the hyperfocal distance holds true. You have to think about the tolerances of the lens and the sort-of imprecise theory of the hyperfocal concept. Just a few feet in front of the HF distance will cause the DOF to change dramatically. If the HF is distance is 12.4 ft at 30mm the DOF at far end is at infinity. If the lens is actually at 31mm due to manufacturing tolerance then the HF distance is 13.24 ft and the far end in 'acceptable focus' is 194 ft at the expected HF distance of 12.4 ft. If the aperture is larger by a fraction the same effect takes place (from 8.0 to 7.1), the DOF is reduced substantially to 113.5 feet at the expected HF distance of 12.4 ft.

You need to select a focus point a bit further beyond the theoretical HF value to ensure you are not at the edge. In this case you should select something about 16 ft or greater, allowing for a f/7.1 and a focal length of 32mm (about a 7% tolerance). Per the equation, this will allow for tolerance issues and still get the DOF out to infinity with a near 'acceptable focus' distance of about 8 ft.
I think my offer of you being a bit too close in f... (show quote)


Thank you Tom.

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