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Apr 23, 2018 11:22:23   #
Lille Loc: Upstate, NY
 
gessman wrote:
You've been around this stuff for some time, a uhh member for over 5 years now, and used other equipment enough to probably know that there's something wrong with your lenses, or camera, but you might be able to give them a little better test and answer your own question a little more definitively. Rather than aim the lens at a wide open field, as you have in that image you posted, I'd like to suggest that you perform a more specific test. Get something like an eye test chart, a rifle target, something with distinct and fine lines on it, tack it to a fence a few feet away in good light, with no wind, and do the tripod thing with a remote control or use the 10 second timer rather than the two second, getting some images that you can blow up and see whether or not your lenses are focusing properly. It is often said that many lens are sharpest a couple of steps up from wide open. Don't just shoot at f/8 but rather, try other f/stops and see if there are other stops that give you sharper images than f/8 - maybe from f/4 to f/16, for instance and compare them against f/8. Some people use a newspaper or a magazine cover as targets even. It doesn't look to me like you're giving your lens much of a test, aiming them into a wide open field like that, with no particular discernible subject even though you say you did roughly use the bottom of that fence post as a tentative subject. It certainly isn't all that evident just what you were shooting at upon first glance.
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Hello Gessman,

Well that photo wasn't really meant to be a test shot. Simply a photo of an Amish saw mill that's near my house. But I think you're right.... even though I've shot hundreds of photos with both of these lenses it's time for me to go do some serious test shooting with both of them.

I also think that gwilliams is correct that a call to Sony might be in order.

Thanks much !

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Apr 23, 2018 11:37:24   #
repleo Loc: Boston
 
Lille wrote:
Hi all,

A bit of a problem and I figure this is the place to find answers...

I own a Sony A7rii which I think is a mighty fine camera but I can't get a decent photo out of it. I might be wrong but I strongly suspect there is no problem with the camera but suspect it's a lens thing. Everything I shoot is soft. Nothing is ever well focused. Auto focus, manual focus, doesn't matter. Nothing is ever sharp.

I have the Sony Vario-Tessar T* FE 16-35mm f/4 ZA OSS lens and the Sony Vario-Tessar T* FE 24-70mm f/4 ZA OSS lens and they both take very soft photos. Neither of these are the much more expensive ' G ' models, which I"m sure are much better, but for the price of the ones I have I would have thought that I could have gotten some pretty good shots.

Could it be me, the camera or is it possible that these two lens are just never going to shoot truly sharp photos ?

Your thoughts greatly appreciated.

Thanks !
Hi all, br br A bit of a problem and I figure thi... (show quote)


Do you use focus peaking? Does the focus peaking correspond with the depth of field you expect from your hyperfocal calculations? Try something with a tighter DoF to check.
Do you have the latest firmware? One of the earlier updates dealt with some focusing issues.
Check your Image Size and Quality settings.
Try a Setting Reset?

There is definitely something wrong with the results you are getting. Your two lenses have a sharpness rating of 26 and 24 on a A7Rii per DXO. Not stellar but very good for a zoom lens.

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Apr 23, 2018 11:53:45   #
Lille Loc: Upstate, NY
 
repleo wrote:
Do you use focus peaking? Does the focus peaking correspond with the depth of field you expect from your hyperfocal calculations? Try something with a tighter DoF to check.
Do you have the latest firmware? One of the earlier updates dealt with some focusing issues.
Check your Image Size and Quality settings.
Try a Setting Reset?

There is definitely something wrong with the results you are getting. Your two lenses have a sharpness rating of 26 and 24 on a A7Rii per DXO. Not stellar but very good for a zoom lens.
Do you use focus peaking? Does the focus peaking ... (show quote)


Hello repleo,

I do use focus peaking but of course that only applies to manual focusing while the photo I posted was auto focused. So no peaking available.
Camera has the latest greatest firmware and has been reset twice.
Size and quality...I shoot in raw.

Thanks :)

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Apr 23, 2018 12:02:13   #
dsmeltz Loc: Philadelphia
 
Lille wrote:
Hello repleo,

I do use focus peaking but of course that only applies to manual focusing while the photo I posted was auto focused. So no peaking available.
Camera has the latest greatest firmware and has been reset twice.
Size and quality...I shoot in raw.

Thanks :)


Do you have a sample where you focused manually? Have you ever entered a micro-adjustment for either of these lenses in your 850?

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Apr 23, 2018 12:04:56   #
gessman Loc: Colorado
 
Lille wrote:
Hello Gessman,

Well that photo wasn't really meant to be a test shot. Simply a photo of an Amish saw mill that's near my house. But I think you're right.... even though I've shot hundreds of photos with both of these lenses it's time for me to go do some serious test shooting with both of them.

I also think that gwilliams is correct that a call to Sony might be in order.

Thanks much !


I did neglect to mention that I definitely agree with your premise that you should generally have better overall focus in the picture given your stated intent and methodology with your selection of a hyper-focal point. I can't argue with your position on that. Good luck with getting it all figured out as I'm sure you will.

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Apr 23, 2018 12:12:37   #
Lille Loc: Upstate, NY
 
dsmeltz wrote:
Do you have a sample where you focused manually? Have you ever entered a micro-adjustment for either of these lenses in your 850?


Hello,

When I focus manually I always use the camera's "focus magnifier " or micro adjustment. The Sony has two, a 5x and a 12.5 X which I use most often.

I have hundreds of manually focused shots and they all look just about the same as the AF shot I posted. Just a bit soft :)

Thank you

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Apr 23, 2018 12:18:33   #
dsmeltz Loc: Philadelphia
 
Lille wrote:
Hello,

When I focus manually I always use the camera's "focus magnifier " or micro adjustment. The Sony has two, a 5x and a 12.5 X which I use most often.

I have hundreds of manually focused shots and they all look just about the same as the AF shot I posted. Just a bit soft :)

Thank you


A micro-adjustment is an adjustment made for that lens in the camera to correct for front or back focusing. A focus magnifier is not a micro-adjustment.

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Apr 23, 2018 12:19:26   #
Lille Loc: Upstate, NY
 
gessman wrote:
I did neglect to mention that I definitely agree with your premise that you should generally have better overall focus in the picture given your stated intent and methodology with your selection of a hyper-focal point. I can't argue with your position on that. Good luck with getting it all figured out as I'm sure you will.


Thank you Gessman !

I'm beginning to feel a bit guilty as I suspect that I might have been a bit hasty even posting about this. I strongly suspect that I have a lens problem and I thought that before I even posted. I probably should have spent more time looking into this on my own before I bothered you and other UHH members about it.

Thank you ( and everyone else ) again

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Apr 23, 2018 12:23:05   #
Lille Loc: Upstate, NY
 
dsmeltz wrote:
A micro-adjustment is an adjustment made for that lens in the camera to correct for front or back focusing. A focus magnifier is not a micro-adjustment.


Ah ! I'll look into that as I have not done any micro adjusting of either lens.

Thank you .

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Apr 23, 2018 12:24:25   #
tdekany Loc: Oregon
 
Lille wrote:
Ah ! I'll look into that as I have not done any micro adjusting of either lens.

Thank you .


It isn’t done on mirrorless cameras.

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Apr 23, 2018 12:25:03   #
tdekany Loc: Oregon
 
dsmeltz wrote:
A micro-adjustment is an adjustment made for that lens in the camera to correct for front or back focusing. A focus magnifier is not a micro-adjustment.


You understand that we are talking about a Sony mirrorless camera?

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Apr 23, 2018 12:42:42   #
dsmeltz Loc: Philadelphia
 
tdekany wrote:
You understand that we are talking about a Sony mirrorless camera?


RIGHT! I forgot. No adjustment necessary since it focuses on the actual sensor. It just seems odd that it is two lenses from one manufacturer with the same problem.

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Apr 23, 2018 12:51:59   #
PhotosBySteve
 
Your issue makes no sense to me? I have owned the Sony 7RII for a couple years and use nothing but Canon glass with a Metabones adapter. It has always produced excellent sharp images with stunning color rendition. I just wish I could justify the extreme cost of the 70-200 f/2.8G, despite the reviews I have read that the image quality does not compare favorably with same Canon and Nikon lens at nearly $1k more. I will be renting one soon, so I may compare for myself.

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Apr 23, 2018 12:53:04   #
rts2568
 
Hi Lille,

My suggestion may not be the complete answer but I suggest that a lot of your problem maybe yours alone. Let me explain. Your aperture selection is fine, your speed however is not, not even on a tripod often.
What I suspect is that you are getting camera shake when you press the shutter button. If you must use that shutter speed, then use a long cable release instead of pressing the shutter. Or use a wireless remote control, they are very cheap these days.
Raising the ISO might help you increase the speed as well.

All the best for future shooting,

Ron

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Apr 23, 2018 12:53:12   #
tdekany Loc: Oregon
 
dsmeltz wrote:
RIGHT! I forgot. No adjustment necessary since it focuses on the actual sensor. It just seems odd that it is two lenses from one manufacturer with the same problem.


Like I mentioned earlier in this thread, both zooms had this issue, when first introduced and there were lots of very unhappy customers. It wasn’t unheard of someone go through 3 or 4 copies before they would get a good copy.

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