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Nikon 12-24mm vs. Nikon 18-200mm for landscapes
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Apr 21, 2018 16:56:12   #
Rich1939 Loc: Pike County Penna.
 
Gene51 wrote:
The images in this article are just awful. They are too wide, terrible extension distortion, exaggerated and false perspectives, really bad keystoning, except for the bathroom shot. If that is the "look" you are going for, great. But this is not going to work for landscape. That first shotof the ground with the horizon at the top edge is a stale cliche at this point.

He is right about two things - ultrawides are best used in close quarters, and if you want to make a room bigger for an MLS interior room shot, great. But even the RE agent is going to frown at a room that looks disproportionately deep - that kind of stuff is hard to explain to a prospective buyer. The second thing is that most people don't know how to properly use an ultra wide lens. Everyone wants a really wide lens, but they do become boring after the novelty wears off. You can see just how much you need to crop from that gas station shot - to make it look reasonable.

The biggest issue with ultrawides is visual confusion about what your target is. Is it the tiny waterfall in the far-off distance or the gravel path that creates a gigantic leading line from bottom corner,to the tiny insignificant waterfall. A good composition will be able to do this without losing the priority of the waterfall to the path. But when you toss an ultrawide into the process, the path becomes bigger than life, demanding your attention, and your viewers will lose focus on what that leading line leads to.
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Gene, I think there is a mind set in the general area of photography that landscape, by its nature, automatically requires the use of a wide angle lens. This has been touted for so long that it is now 2nd nature to most and any suggestion to use something other than the wide angle is interpreted by them as heresy and consequently ignored, leaving themselves to fall short of their inherent potential. As you have been saying far better landscape images can be made using moderate telephoto or even “normal lenses”. I’m posting this in, possibly vain, hope that some will have the stones to venture into the unknown.

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Apr 21, 2018 17:34:06   #
AndyGarcia
 
Rich1939 wrote:
Gene, I think there is a mind set in the general area of photography that landscape, by its nature, automatically requires the use of a wide angle lens. This has been touted for so long that it is now 2nd nature to most and any suggestion to use something other than the wide angle is interpreted by them as heresy and consequently ignored, leaving themselves to fall short of their inherent potential. As you have been saying far better landscape images can be made using moderate telephoto or even “normal lenses”. I’m posting this in, possibly vain, hope that some will have the stones to venture into the unknown.
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I agree with you totally. I use wide lenses but most of my landscapes are taken with 18 - 135mm on Fuji or 18 - 250mm on Nikon. It's the same with tripods IMO. I do have a 14mm Fuji and use it from time to time. Thanks for posting - Dan Bailey a Fuji Photographer uses everything from wide angle to telephoto and so do I....Pura Vida from Costa Rica.

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Apr 21, 2018 18:54:17   #
JohnSwanda Loc: San Francisco
 
Rich1939 wrote:
Gene, I think there is a mind set in the general area of photography that landscape, by its nature, automatically requires the use of a wide angle lens. This has been touted for so long that it is now 2nd nature to most and any suggestion to use something other than the wide angle is interpreted by them as heresy and consequently ignored, leaving themselves to fall short of their inherent potential. As you have been saying far better landscape images can be made using moderate telephoto or even “normal lenses”. I’m posting this in, possibly vain, hope that some will have the stones to venture into the unknown.
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For another view, I love to shoot landscapes with an ultra wide lens. I have a Nikon 12-24 DX and often use it at 12. Here are some examples, which are faux color infrared shot with a converted Nikon D70s, at 12 mm.







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Apr 21, 2018 19:14:17   #
augieg27 Loc: Central California
 
JohnSwanda wrote:
For another view, I love to shoot landscapes with an ultra wide lens. I have a Nikon 12-24 DX and often use it at 12. Here are some examples, which are faux color infrared shot with a converted Nikon D70s, at 12 mm.


Beautiful colors. Thanks

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Apr 21, 2018 19:18:48   #
fetzler Loc: North West PA
 
Many years ago when learning about photography I was given an assignment to photograph interesting photos with a 28mm lens (35 mm Film about an 18mm with a crop sensor). The point of this lesson was to get close to the subject. My favorite lenses are my 10-24mm Tamron(new version) and Nikon 16 -80mm. These lenses are great for general and landscape photography. With wide angle lenses you need to be close. In my opinion more interesting photos can be taken when you are close. Wildlife photos and sports photos often demand you step back for safety. The flattened perspective of a telephoto lens is also sometimes interesting. I have macro lenses in longer focal lengths - again for the purpose of getting close. Wide angle extreme close ups can be interesting but can be technically challenging. My wide angle lenses have always been my favorites. Learn to use your new purchase.

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Apr 21, 2018 21:21:00   #
vino2nite Loc: Bluffton, SC
 
The 18-200MM 3.5 VR was my first serious lens and has never let me down. To date, I have added: 24-70mm 2.8, 70-200mm 2.8, 70-300mm 3.5 as well as some primes. You can't go wrong for the money.

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Apr 22, 2018 04:22:31   #
SandyR Loc: Brookings, OR / Sedona, AZ
 
I have both, for different purposes.
The 18 - 200 is on my Nikon D850 85% of the time.
The WA has it's uses, but they are limited. I use it only a couple times a year.
An easy solution for the 18-200 if you want a wide - angle shot: take several shots and stitch them together with easy software into a PANORAMA - either the traditional horizontal, or VERTICAL.
By the way, If anyone is looking for a like-new 18-200 VR (latest release) I have a second one for sale - see the Classifieds here.
Sandy

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Apr 22, 2018 14:23:52   #
ecurb1105
 
augieg27 wrote:
I recently purchased the Nikon 12-24mm and am kind of questioning myself if the investment was worthwhile.
I find myself missing the longer reach of the 18-200 and limited by the 24mm. Being a novice, I don't see much difference of IQ between the two lenses.
Please advise.
Augie


Generally zoom lenses with shorter zoom ranges give s better IQ then longer zoom ranges. I would think the 12-24 would show markedly better then the 18-200, but if you work and see differently you may need something like the 70-300. I was trained as an architectural photographer so my bias is towards wide angle primes, though these days my goto lens is a 24-120 on a FF body. You vision is your own so you must cater to it.

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Apr 22, 2018 20:29:56   #
sagill Loc: Hawaii
 
I use a 24-105 on a FF Nikon D610 a lot. It has traveled the world with me and I have not missed many shots with it. Maybe not quite as long as the 200 but certainly very versatile.

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May 18, 2018 10:44:42   #
Airspeed Loc: Washington, D.C.
 
On my D810, the 28-300 Nikkor is my main lens, very happy with it, and for wide I use the 16-35 Nikkor, also very happy. On my 300 DX I like the DX 12-24 mm Nikkor.

You are welcome to see some of my work at bofingerphotography.net ("Rainstorm over Lake Kivu" was shot at 16mm)

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Jun 30, 2018 07:43:12   #
SandyR Loc: Brookings, OR / Sedona, AZ
 
My walk-around lens on every camera, including the D850, has been the 18-300 VR.
Nothing surpasses it, imo.
I also have the 14-24 WA Nikon, and rarely use it. Definitely NOT worth the cost, imo.
If you want a wider image from the 18-200 - which I rarely do - I simply take a couple serial images and easily stitch them together in a Panorama program.

If you're interested, I have a like-new one for sale - my old older one didn't get back from being cleaned before a trip, and I purchased another with the intent of selling it asap.
It has been used for 2 weeks only. Receipt included.
Contact me if interested.
Moonshadow.Sandy@yahoo.com

Sandy Richards-Brown

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