I’m Looking For The Mirrorless Cameras..., Were Are They?!?! (Page 5): Yes clearly threads like this quickly become controversial and sometimes divisive, but on a more positive note...

mwsilvers Loc: Central New Jersey

JD750 wrote:

This is just bait to start a long argument, and you did. But I think is not deserving of a serious reply.

Yes clearly threads like this quickly become controversial and sometimes divisive, but on a more positive note they often contain useful new information for some of us.

mwsilvers Loc: Central New Jersey

gwilliams6 wrote:

When pros are switching and making a living with them ,like myself, they are no longer a niche. Please watch the entire Tony Northrup video and all the videos I linked from pros,please and be enlightened. Camera makers Sony ,Fuji, Panasonic, Olympus,Leica and all the lens makers including Sigma, Tamron, Samyang/Rokinon, Meike, Laowa , and all the strobe and gimbal and still and video product makers do not consider this a niche market, IT IS THE MARKET.

Your definition of niche may differ from mine. Regardless of the number of pros who may have switched to Sony, the percentage of professional Sony cameras currently in use, as compared to Nikon and Canon combined, is tiny enough to be considered no more than a niche segment of the market at this point in time. That will likely change, and perhaps change dramatically over time.

wdross Loc: Castle Rock, Colorado

SharpShooter wrote:

That’s right guys, I’m looking for all those mirro... (show quote)

Actually you should have looked closer at the cameras. You would have seen that they were a majority of smaller mirrorless cameras disguised by thin cardboard covers to look like larger cameras. The some photographers are just having issues of coming out of the DSLR closet!

gwilliams6

https://www.fujivsfuji.com/heavy-issues-mirrorless-vs-dslr-weight/

Here is one comparison with all types of gear cameras, lenses, tripods, ball heads comparing what the same kit would weigh to be lugged around DSLR and mirrorless. This is not the comparison I was talking about, but is well researched and presented. I will look for the other one I saw and post it when I find it. Cheers

gwilliams6

mwsilvers wrote:

Your definition of niche may differ from mine. Regardless of the number of pros who may have switched to Sony, the percentage of professional Sony cameras currently in use, as compared to Nikon and Canon combined, is tiny enough to be considered no more than a niche segment of the market at this point in time. That will likely change, and perhaps change dramatically over time.

Yes I , and Japanese,German and Swiss camera makers agree, whether micro 4/3, APS-C, 35mm fullframe or medium format, this is not a niche market anymore. Maybe it was five years ago, but no longer. Not even Nikon and Canon think of this as a niche market anymore. They will spend many millions of dollars and even more millions of yen developing their fullframe mirrorless camera systems for all of us. I am not saying that mirrorless sales will dominate in the immediate future, no one is saying that. That time will come one day. But mirrorless tech is dominating now. For a growing number of us, the mirrorless future is already here . Cheers

rehess Loc: South Bend, Indiana, USA

Just about three years ago, I found myself looking at lots of cameras in a short period of time, because my Canon Rebel had unexpectedly died. I ended up getting a Pentax {DSLR, of course} for several reasons:

(1) my first two SLR's had been Pentax, and I retained fondness for the brand

(2) my first two SLR's had been Pentax, and I still had useable K-mount lenses

(3) I felt very comfortable with Pentax controls

but my second choice was Sony. I haven't looked at cameras since then, but my sense is that their controls have improved since then. If I were younger {I'm 70 now}, with no or little history, neither fond of Pentax nor wounded by Canon {I had processor issues with two straight Rebels} I'm not certain what kind of decision I would make today.

mwsilvers Loc: Central New Jersey

gwilliams6 wrote:

Yes I , and Japanese,German and Swiss camera maker... (show quote)

I was not referring to mirrorless technology as a niche market. I was referring specifically to professional level Sony cameras as still a niche market due to its current market saturation. It's quite reasonable that over time Sony will become the professional market leader assuming that Canon and Nikon are unable to compete effectively in the mirrorless market. Since Sony currently has a great advantage there, Nikon and Canon have a lot of catching up to do. And if ultimately Sony's cameras are adopted by consumers and Pros because they are superior products, there's nothing wrong with that. I am not a Canon or Nikon fanboy and have no emotional attachment to either company.

Alb Loc: Lehigh Valley area, Pennsylvania

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SharpShooter Loc: NorCal

mwsilvers wrote:

Yes clearly threads like this quickly become controversial and sometimes divisive, but on a more positive note they often contain useful new information for some of us.

Silvers, this wasn’t meant to be controversial. I was serious!! I’ve seen like two mirrorless so far but they were not credentialed shooters. I’m looking only at what the credentialed pros are shooting.
I hear a lot here about how ML is taking over but I just don’t see it anywhere.
But this is very fast moving action!!!
SS

rehess Loc: South Bend, Indiana, USA

mwsilvers wrote:

I was not referring to mirrorless technology as a ... (show quote)

As far as I know, Nikon the company is still recovering from their recent financial issues - they have the toughest path. Sony has more MILC experience; Canon has all those wonderful EF lenses out there. I believe MILC will be the eventual "winner", but at age 70 I may not live long enough to see how it all shakes out.

gwilliams6

rehess wrote:

As far as I know, Nikon the company is still recovering from their recent financial issues - they have the toughest path. Sony has more MILC experience; Canon has all those wonderful EF lenses out there. I believe MILC will be the eventual "winner", but at age 70 I may not live long enough to see how it all shakes out.

Trust me, with good health you WILL live to see how it all shakes out, and we all hope you are stilling snapping those photos. Cheers and best to you !

mwsilvers Loc: Central New Jersey

SharpShooter wrote:

Silvers, this wasn’t meant to be controversial. I was serious!! I’ve seen like two mirrorless so far but they were not credentialed shooters. I’m looking only at what the credentialed pros are shooting.
I hear a lot here about how ML is taking over but I just don’t see it anywhere.
But this is very fast moving action!!!
SS

I know you probably weren't intending to push any buttons to start a mirror vs mirrorless controversy, but you must have known that just bringing this subject up with your observations would have started one despite your intentions.

Edit: By the way. last weekend I was at the Great British Fly-in celebrating the 100th Anniversary of the RAF at the Smithsonian Air & Space Annex in Chantilly VA. My person observation and estimate was that I saw surprisingly saw close to 10 times as many pro level Canon cameras and lenses there as as Nikon, and couldn't find a single example of a Sony full frame camera although I was specifically looking for one. There were a few thousand people there. Not proof of anything, but just a casual observation.

mwsilvers Loc: Central New Jersey

rehess wrote:

As far as I know, Nikon the company is still recovering from their recent financial issues - they have the toughest path. Sony has more MILC experience; Canon has all those wonderful EF lenses out there. I believe MILC will be the eventual "winner", but at age 70 I may not live long enough to see how it all shakes out.

I will be 72 soon. I suspect that "issue" will resolve itself before we depart this mortal coil.

n3eg Loc: West coast USA

SharpShooter wrote:

I hear a lot here about how ML is taking over but I just don’t see it anywhere.

We're just not members of your photography club, SS.

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