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Apr 11, 2018 16:28:28   #
amfoto1 Loc: San Jose, Calif. USA
 
Bullfrog Bill wrote:
This might help:


That's hilarious!

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Apr 11, 2018 16:33:33   #
chrisg-optical Loc: New York, NY
 
Bullfrog Bill wrote:
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Flowchart for anyone suffering a GAS attack

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Apr 11, 2018 16:36:11   #
Bullfrog Bill Loc: CT
 
It helped me when I bought my D850! I think it also works for Canon and Sony equipment.

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Apr 11, 2018 16:46:09   #
nervous2 Loc: Provo, Utah
 
CO wrote:
I'm only purchasing cameras that don't have an anti-aliasing filter in front of the sensor. I've noticed cameras that don't have an AA filter have a slight edge in sharpness. When I purchased my D500 (no AA filter) I did some comparison shots with it and a D750 (has AA filter). The photos were processed the same way for consistency. The D500 had an edge in sharpness. I've noticed the difference with other cameras as well.


Do the D7xxx cameras have AA filters? I should probably know but do not. Thanks. BTW always enjoy your posts.

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Apr 11, 2018 17:02:13   #
nervous2 Loc: Provo, Utah
 
Bullfrog Bill wrote:
This might help:


This is amazing. It would have saved me a lot of grief on lens purchase decisions in the past. I have always ended up buying the lenses but in the future the decision will not be so agonizing. Thanks. You have probably extended my life expectancy some 10-15 years by reducing my stress levels. LOL and all the best.

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Apr 11, 2018 18:40:04   #
MadMikeOne Loc: So. NJ Shore - a bit west of Atlantic City
 
Steve Dollar wrote:
Wow So many replies and quite a bit of information. Do I really need to upgrade the D5100? Of course not but several granddaughters would like it and I can't refuse. Moisture is certainly a problem and I need good seals. Not just over the net but good albums for the last years of my life. Looks like it comes down to D500 or D7200. Yes, I have some DX glass. My major gripe with the D5200 is focus. It may be the camera or the glass or me but, my eyesight makes me use autofocus so don't know what I could do about that. This camera (D5200) just does not focus that well. I have used multiple glass so I don't think it is that. Is the D5200 known for poor focus or what?
These are just vacation photos. They will be our life on the water, whales, dolphin, birds, sunsets, people, cities, landscapes, et al.

And just many, many thanks for all the reponses.

Steve
Wow So many replies and quite a bit of informatio... (show quote)


My first DSLR was a D5200. I loved it until....I really got into bird and wildlife photography. After much research and asking for help here, I decided to upgrade to the D7200. It is a great camera and was definitely an upgrade from my beloved D5200. Then ... I was shooting side-by-side with photographers shooting BIF with their D500’s. My D7200 choked compared to the D500 due to the much smaller buffer on the D7200. I then upgraded to the D500 late last November and have been EXTREMELY happy with my decision. Sold my D5200 and now have my D7200 & D500. I use the D500 for times when I need a larger buffer, and the D7200 when the larger buffer is not that important.

All that being said, if I were in your situation, I would upgrade to the D7200. It does not sound as though you need the larger buffer and higher FPS of the D500. The D500 has 2 memory card slots, just as the D7200 does. However, the D500 accepts an SD card and an XQD card (EXPENSIVE compared to the SD cards). For my needs, I wanted to have 2 card slots. I was aware that the D500 took an SD card and an XQD slot, but the extra cost of the XQD card did NOT outweigh the other benefits (for my needs) of the D500. One other consideration is that of cost. I believe that the cost of the D7200 is less than half the cost of the D500.

There is quite a bit to consider, the most important of which is what your current and expected needs are. If not for the fact that I shoot LOTS of birds in flight, I would have been very satisfied with my D7200.

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Apr 11, 2018 19:21:26   #
tomcat
 
Steve Dollar wrote:
Hi, you guys have a lot of experience and I wish to avail myself of some of that.
i cannot get my head around the newer Nikon cameras and their differences. I am an experienced amateur photographer and have been for many years. I currently have a Nikon D5200 which is a nice camera for me but I want to upgrade. My wife and I are planning extended travel over the next few years and I am trying to figure out which new camera to buy. We will be mainly on the water and in coastal areas in the islands.
I think I have narrowed my choices to the D500, D7500 or D750. I know that some are full frame and others not, I am not sure that makes a big difference to me since I would rarely print any photos. I am asking for your opinion as to which would be the better choice and why.

Thanks for your input
Steve
Hi, you guys have a lot of experience and I wish t... (show quote)


I don't intend to read 11 or 12 pages of comments. So I'll say this. Go rent the D7200 and the D500 and see which feels better in your hands. Shoot a bunch of shots over the weekend. How you handle it and how easy it is to use will make all the difference between using a DSLR versus your camera phone. The D500 is head over heels the king of crop sensors these days and is fast as lighting for quick spontaneous shots. I have one now and love it. The disadvantage is that you have to carry an external flash, which is ok for me. I bought a cheap SB500 (refurb from Nikon) that fits in my pocket. The on-camera flashes are only good for about 10 feet, so you would rarely use it for serious flash shots. Also the D500 with it's extra 1.5x reach will give you a clearer and sharper shot than a cropped image from a full-frame D750, especially in low light. I have a D750 that I use only for portrait shots, so I cannot recommend it for you for vacation travel. The D500 is a better all-around option for what you intend to shoot for travel shots.

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Apr 11, 2018 19:41:39   #
mas24 Loc: Southern CA
 
nervous2 wrote:
Do the D7xxx cameras have AA filters? I should probably know but do not. Thanks. BTW always enjoy your posts.


The D7000 is the only D7xxx Series camera that has a AA Filter. Removal of the AA Filter began with the D7100.

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Apr 12, 2018 02:23:53   #
dreff Loc: Bow, WA
 
The D5200 is a crop sensor with a low pass filter. Testing sites maintain the level of sharpness increases noticeably using the same lenses with a D5300 versus a 5200.

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Apr 12, 2018 08:24:20   #
bkyser Loc: Fly over country in Indiana
 
Boris Ekner wrote:
Here are my thoughts on the topic of better camera bodies, comparing my D5300 to the D500. For my kind of photography the comparison of these two DX bodies are more or less equal.

When comparing the D5300 to a full frame body the full frame clearly stands out as the better choice. However, the final and most important question is, - is it worth it?

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Photography is a technology sport. All cameras are compromises. Some are better for this, others are better for that.

Nikon D5300 vs D500
When I compare my Nikon D5300 to the far more expensive D500 (both are crop sensor/DX cameras, and the D500 is considered one of the best DX bodies) I find that...

Flash sync speed is 1/200 vs 1/250.
Max shutter speed is 1/4000 vs 1/8000.
Megapixels are 24 vs 21.
Pixel area 15,28um2 vs 17,85um2
Pixel pitch: 3.89um2 vs 4.2um2
Weather sealed: No vs Yes.
Fully articulated screen: Yes vs No.
Internal flash: Yes vs No.
Built in GPS: Yes vs No.
Price body only: $435 vs $1,520
Shutter life cycle: 100,000 vs 200,000
Weight: 480gr vs 860gr.
Focus points: 39 vs 153.
Continues shooting: 5fps vs 10fps
Max resolution: 6000x4000 vs 5568x3722
Max ISO: 12,800 vs 51,200 /not boosted.

From my point of view, for more than $1000 less I got a camera with as high, if not sometimes slightly higher, resolution than the D500. But I strongly doubt anyone would be able to see the difference in any photo taken.

Pros:
More than $1000 Cheaper.
Higher pixel density, ie sharper pictures under certain conditions.
Higher max resolution.
Built in GPS.
Fully articulated screen.
Cheaper lenses.

Cons:
Slower max shutter speed.
Less focus points. (I rarely use more than one... ;-)
Not weather sealed.
Less frames per second.
Lower max ISO.

Was the D5300 worth buying?
-Yes absolutely!

For the $1000 saved on the body I had money to buy several books, extra lenses, a tripod, high quality polarizing filters, battery grip, extra batteries, cable shutter remote, speedlights, and other stuff.

So what do I miss on the D5300?
* Better low light performance. This is, to some extent, compensated with better lenses.
* Faster flash sync speed. This can be compensated with studio flood lights.
* Weather sealing. This can be compensated with a plastic bag or a “raincoat” designed for the camera during bad weather conditions.

Do I want a more expensive camera body? - No, I don’t. Maybe I’m ignorant, dumb and stupid ... but I cannot for my life digest how another camera body will benefit the quality of my pictures.

This means that, instead of spending money on a “better” body I prefer to spend my hard earned cash on better lenses.

Now, one could argue that a full frame, FF, camera, like the Nikon D850, is a better choice than my D5300. I agree, YES, it is better!, - up until it’s time to pay for it...

From my point of view, $3,200 for the D850 body only disqualifies it faster than a rabbit makes new rabbits...!

- I don’t have the money for a full frame camera. Period. From my point of view, far better is to, over time, buy the best lenses I can find for my D5300, and no one will ever see the difference.

I’ve got and plan for the future:
-Nikon D5300 with the 18-55mm kit lens. Paid $449 for it. It came with a bundle of filters, a cheap flash, and lots of other useless junk now stored in my closet and never used.

-My 18-55 kit lens will be replaced with the much sharper Nikkor 17-55mm f2.8 in July this year. The Tamron 24-70 f2.8 G2 was interesting option too, but as it’s ~$500 for the used Nikkor, and ~$1200 for a new Tamron, the Nikkor won.

-I got the Nikkor 35mm f1.8, for low light situations. Paid $142.50 for it, used on eBay.

-After extensive research I bought the Tokina 11-20mm f2.8 for landscapes. Price: $395, used on eBay.

-I got the Nikkor 55-200mm for candid shots of people, $54.99 used on eBay. However, this one will be replaced by the sharper Nikkor 70-200mm f2.8 during the second half of this year.

-Furthermore, I might want a Nikkor 500mm mirror lens just for the fun of having one.

Replacing the D5300?
-Only if I win a million $$ at the lottery, then I’d get the mirrorless Hasselblad. But I’d better start buying the lottery tickets first, right...? 😂

What am I saying here?
-Get the best camera you can afford. Then, over time, buy the best lenses you have money for. Better lenses will have a greater impact on your picture quality than a better body.

Keep in mind that the most important thing in photography isn’t the camera, nor is it what is in front of it. - The most important thing in photography is what is behind it. You.

...and if you follow my lead, you will find that you have a few dollars left for sipping on a good single malt every now and then...! 😄
Here are my thoughts on the topic of better camera... (show quote)


Nothing against the choice you made at all. I think it was a good one too, but you did miss one important thing that the D-500 has, it's that you don't have to go into your menu to change most settings. The 7xxx series is actually easier to use as far as button placement than the 5xxx and 3xxx cameras. The D-500 is more like the D-200 and D-300 which were (are) designed to be able to quickly change settings as you go, which is very important in some situations. The D5xxx bodies also don't trigger off camera flashes using the onboard flash as a commander unit. That's where the 7xxx series shine. The D-500 doesn't even have an onboard flash, so you HAVE to use radio triggers. Then again, most people who are at the level to shoot a D-500 don't use optical flash, or the on camera flash anyway. I'm not even sure mine work on my D200, d7000, d7100, I've literally never even tested them, that's why I certainly didn't care that it wasn't included on the D-500.

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Apr 12, 2018 09:15:32   #
SteveR Loc: Michigan
 
rmorrison1116 wrote:
The king of the crop sensor cameras current available is the D500. If full frame does not matter to you and you want a weather sealed DSLR made by Nikon then the D500 is the camera for you. I've had one for about 2 years now and I love it.
By the way, welcome to the UHH.


Unless you can get the D500 on sale, the D7500 has many of the attributes of the D500 including its low-light capability, Expeed 5 processor, buffering and fps. It does not have the same AF system as the D500 and the D5, however, which are particularly good for sports and moving objects. I've just purchased one for my daughter, however, and it's an excellent camera. It's also smaller and lighter than the D500 and has a flip flash which the 500 does not. It does not, however, have slots for two SD cards like the D500. This can come in handy for either backing up shots or using one for video and the other for photographs. One card, however, can suffice for both. My suggestion would be to see how both feel in your hands....as well as the impact on your pocketbook. Granted, the D500 is the top of the dx line, BUT all the bells and whistles may not be what you need.

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Apr 12, 2018 16:27:06   #
eagle80 Loc: Kutztown, PA
 
I love my D500.

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Apr 12, 2018 21:20:16   #
rehess Loc: South Bend, Indiana, USA
 
tomcat wrote:
I don't intend to read 11 or 12 pages of comments. So I'll say this.

At least you're honest - but even at this stage the top of each page shows that you' have to read only 4 pages worth.

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Apr 12, 2018 22:03:24   #
tomcat
 
rehess wrote:
At least you're honest - but even at this stage the top of each page shows that you' have to read only 4 pages worth.


I understand, but I have a D500 and the only value I felt that I can add to the OP is to suggest he rent one and the D7500 and try them out. I did not feel that I had anything that I wanted to boast about from my experiences or pontificate on like some of the other UHH'ers do. I believe that how a camera feels in your hand is the 2nd most important factor in a buying decision. The first is how easy the menus are and how easy the camera is to make changes. I bought a little Olympus to take on vacation because it was so raved about. It was easy to press the shutter but that's about it. The menu system was way too complicated for me because I was so used to the simplicity of the Nikon layout. After the first day of screwing up my shots, I dropped it in the bottom of the bag and left it there. I have really spouted off way beyond the original intent of the OP's question, so forgive me for straying.

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Apr 12, 2018 22:55:02   #
jaf647
 
Kmgw9v wrote:
Don't respond to the naysayers who question why you should upgrade. If you want to upgrade, do it.
Buy a full frame camera and enjoy it.
But, you will want better lenses.



this, yolo, one of my joys in life is shooting with a big honking ff Nikon just because and just for no reason

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