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Help Please: Practical Tips for Indoor Flash at San Francisco City Hall
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Mar 16, 2018 16:26:57   #
RowYourVold
 
SharpShooter wrote:
Row, I have done two small weddings at City Hall.
You can do almost anything you want there.
It would be hard to cause a disturbance there!! LoL
The building is huge and mostly well lit by natural
Light. I assume you will be upstairs or on the large main staircase.
By all means take a light stand and a strobe if that’s what you want. I’ve just used a stand with a small diffuser on it for the ceremony then just mount my flash to the camera dialed back about a stop or more just for light fill. I’ve never tried to bounce, in the rotunda the building is several hundred feet high, it’s a massive building! After the engagement ceremony is over, just rove all over the building doing poses. In front of the huges semicircular windows is great and lots of beautiful walls and all over the main staircase etc. It’s a really fun place to shoot. If the weather is good sometimes there are really cool art installations out front in the huge quad or whatever that is.
To bad, I was supposed to have shot there yesterday but my shoot fell apart at the last minute. To bad, since she is a Model I could have posted tons of shots for you. I’ll see if I have any without the wedding in them. Sorry, I don’t post private shots!!!
If you have a question, just ask! Good luck
SS
Row, I have done two small weddings at City Hall. ... (show quote)


Thanks so much, that's great to know! I guess I'll bring my lights in the carrying case and bring them out if it seems right. Bummer about your shoot falling apart, but best of luck in the future!

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Mar 17, 2018 07:59:49   #
billnikon Loc: Pennsylvania/Ohio/Florida/Maui/Oregon/Vermont
 
RowYourVold wrote:
This is a very specific request, but I haven't found anything on the Googles or forums, so hoping some Hogs can help out!

I'm doing an engagement session for a couple in San Francisco City Hall, and a lot of the research I've done suggests that off-camera flash will help tremendously to get the results I have in mind. Searching through the official rules at http://sfcityhallevents.org/film-photo it lists two main criteria for flash:

1. Lighting equipment must be battery-operated.
2. Do not use flash equipment that will cause a significant visual disturbance.

Number 1, check. No issues with my Yongnuo speedlight.
Number 2... what the heck defines a "significant visual disturbance?" A bare flash going off for a cool backlight effect? A flash with an attached modifier like a MagMod/GaryFong/Rogue Flashbender? A flash on a stand with a shoot-through umbrella? A certain level of flash power? That pretty much covers the scenarios for my current gear...

I'd really appreciate any advice from someone who has shot with flash indoors at SF City Hall and can tell me roughly what their equipment/setup was, and if they ever ran into issues with causing a "significant visual disturbance" in the process. Not looking to steal anyone's ideas or "what were your settings" type questions, just general pointers would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks!
This is a very specific request, but I haven't fou... (show quote)


Tilt your flash head up and behind you. Use a black flap and rap your flash head around the head making a tube at least 5 inches long, this will hide your flash from others. Use the flash on TTL, set your camera on manual, start with an exposure of 30 sec. at f5.6, ISO of 500, if a little dark, keep increasing the ISO until you see what you want, you can also down the f stop but adjusting the ISO usually does the trick.

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Mar 17, 2018 11:23:22   #
CPR Loc: Nature Coast of Florida
 
That's not a "technical" caveat, that's a CYA so if someone (ANYONE IMPORTANT) complains about your flash - they an tell you to stop.
Go Forth and be prolific.......................

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Mar 17, 2018 22:02:34   #
dat2ra Loc: Sacramento
 
I have had excellent luck with a Lumondi beauty dish (made of super light-weight plastic) on a Speedlight and Odin RF receiver mounted on a monopod. That gives me the ability to light from above the camera, or to move it laterally if I have an assistant. With the Odin, I can change the light without accessing the Speedlight. The beauty dish throws lovely soft light, and weighs about 1/4 of the Speedlight/receiver.

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Mar 18, 2018 13:40:35   #
aellman Loc: Boston MA
 
RowYourVold wrote:
This is a very specific request, but I haven't found anything on the Googles or forums, so hoping some Hogs can help out!

I'm doing an engagement session for a couple in San Francisco City Hall, and a lot of the research I've done suggests that off-camera flash will help tremendously to get the results I have in mind. Searching through the official rules at http://sfcityhallevents.org/film-photo it lists two main criteria for flash:

1. Lighting equipment must be battery-operated.
2. Do not use flash equipment that will cause a significant visual disturbance.

Number 1, check. No issues with my Yongnuo speedlight.
Number 2... what the heck defines a "significant visual disturbance?" A bare flash going off for a cool backlight effect? A flash with an attached modifier like a MagMod/GaryFong/Rogue Flashbender? A flash on a stand with a shoot-through umbrella? A certain level of flash power? That pretty much covers the scenarios for my current gear...

I'd really appreciate any advice from someone who has shot with flash indoors at SF City Hall and can tell me roughly what their equipment/setup was, and if they ever ran into issues with causing a "significant visual disturbance" in the process. Not looking to steal anyone's ideas or "what were your settings" type questions, just general pointers would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks!
This is a very specific request, but I haven't fou... (show quote)


That rule is open to endless interpretation. I would give a call to City Hall to get a better definition.

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Mar 22, 2018 16:32:28   #
rehess Loc: South Bend, Indiana, USA
 
SharpShooter wrote:
Row, I have done two small weddings at City Hall.
You can do almost anything you want there.
It would be hard to cause a disturbance there!! LoL
The building is huge and mostly well lit by natural Light.

With a modern camera, do you even need flash??

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Mar 22, 2018 17:08:28   #
GoofyNewfie Loc: Kansas City
 
rehess wrote:
With a modern camera, do you even need flash??

That would be a yes.
Quantity of light, or the ability to use high ISO, doesn't always equal quality of light.

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Apr 6, 2018 00:13:02   #
RowYourVold
 
Huge thanks to everyone who responded! The shoot went extremely well, and for the most part I didn't end up needing any flash. I did get braver when I saw several speedlight pops and eventually even a photographer using a light stand with a tiny octabox on it, so at that point I pulled out my own flash and took a few photos. Didn't get arrested, whew ;-)

Attached a couple photos, my favorite one and one with flash (even though I didn't end up liking it as much).





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Apr 6, 2018 05:34:58   #
SharpShooter Loc: NorCal
 
RowYourVold wrote:
Huge thanks to everyone who responded! The shoot went extremely well, and for the most part I didn't end up needing any flash. I did get braver when I saw several speedlight pops and eventually even a photographer using a light stand with a tiny octabox on it, so at that point I pulled out my own flash and took a few photos. Didn't get arrested, whew ;-)

Attached a couple photos, my favorite one and one with flash (even though I didn't end up liking it as much).


Hey, nice shots!
Looks like you could have dialed back the power just a bit!!
Show us one of your favs w/o the flash?!
SS

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Apr 6, 2018 14:14:19   #
RowYourVold
 
SharpShooter wrote:
Hey, nice shots!
Looks like you could have dialed back the power just a bit!!
Show us one of your favs w/o the flash?!
SS


Thanks! And yes I definitely struggled with the flash power, any less and I wasn't really seeing an effect, but I think the final result was a bit too bright/harsh. Will keep experimenting for next time :-) The top/first one above actually had no flash, just a huge window light, and is definitely one of my favorites! But, since you asked... here are a few more, all with available light only.

Thanks again!









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Apr 6, 2018 14:38:25   #
jcboy3
 
RowYourVold wrote:
This is a very specific request, but I haven't found anything on the Googles or forums, so hoping some Hogs can help out!

I'm doing an engagement session for a couple in San Francisco City Hall, and a lot of the research I've done suggests that off-camera flash will help tremendously to get the results I have in mind. Searching through the official rules at http://sfcityhallevents.org/film-photo it lists two main criteria for flash:

1. Lighting equipment must be battery-operated.
2. Do not use flash equipment that will cause a significant visual disturbance.

Number 1, check. No issues with my Yongnuo speedlight.
Number 2... what the heck defines a "significant visual disturbance?" A bare flash going off for a cool backlight effect? A flash with an attached modifier like a MagMod/GaryFong/Rogue Flashbender? A flash on a stand with a shoot-through umbrella? A certain level of flash power? That pretty much covers the scenarios for my current gear...

I'd really appreciate any advice from someone who has shot with flash indoors at SF City Hall and can tell me roughly what their equipment/setup was, and if they ever ran into issues with causing a "significant visual disturbance" in the process. Not looking to steal anyone's ideas or "what were your settings" type questions, just general pointers would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks!
This is a very specific request, but I haven't fou... (show quote)


I find the least conspicuous approach is to have an assistant hold your lights, rather than set up a light stand or try to figure out how to bounce (tricky in a large hall).

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